iOS 17.2 and tvOS 17.2 Kill TV Show and Movie Wishlists With No Warning

[steve09090]

I see lots of positives in Apple. Their hardware lasts for years. Doesn't matter which machine you buy. MacOS is still the best desktop you can buy. The iPad is the most flexible computing platform on the market. The iPhone is built like a tank.

But iOS has been rotting from the core for too long. What should be obvious UX changes to make accessibility and ergonomics a priority just aren't happening. Consider that despite phone screens getting larger your spare homesceen icons still (still!) float to the top away from your thumbs just as they did in iPhone OS 1. There are 3 camera shortcuts on the lock screen and only one of them can be changed. The control centre should sit to one side on the multitasking screen instead of being at the top of the screen away from your thumbs. The universal back gesture from Android needs to be adopted.

Now maybe the control center one is the most difficult to code but the rest are pretty simple changes that would go a long way. But Apple keeps ignoring these vestiges and dead ends. It needs to tidy up iOS before putting in anything new and shiny.

(And for parity I could level a lot of the same complaints at Android as well)

Pretty much agree. The hardware is top notch and the Software is becoming harder (more bloated) to use. Having to search the internet on how to do what used to be a simple thing is now a thing. It didn’t used to be. And because of this, it is pleasing less and less people.

So many people demanding new ideas into the software and Apple for fear of being outpaced, are making the Apple Eco System less intuitive, which was clearly a strength it used to have.

 

[ScholarsInk]

I really hate Apple’s cold war on iTunes.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Sad to inform you but…

Cook is not Jobs, no surprise. Jobs was the head of a startup. Apple are no longer a startup and shouldn’t be in the same group as that. But Cook is the CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world. Clearly he and Apple, as a company have a responsibility to their shareholders. You’re suggesting that this is the reason they no longer innovate. However to suggest they longer do this is absolutely wrong. I think people know this and I’m guessing, for arguments sake, people are playing devils advocate, because no one can seriously suggest Apple don’t continue to innovate.

M series chips, H series chips, Vision Pro. Whilst clearly they have a focus on producing the best phones they know how, it doesn’t detract from their other development ideas. They also work closely with other companies to innovate, and develop strategic partnerships.. Apple rarely buy startups rather than working with them or providing them tools to develop. It doesn’t always pay off ($1/2 billion to GT Technologies is an example) but Thunderbolt with Intel certainly did.

Ever heard of Android Auto? It came from CarPlay innovation. Spatial Audio is becoming a thing because of Apple. Was it around before? Maybe, but it now belongs to the masses (who can afford it).

Edit: The Apple Watch is the most popular watch in the world. Its health and notification system is also class leading. It has saved more lives than people can count. Tim Cook has said time and again, Apples biggest contribution will be in health. Apple does much much more than sell iPhones. 🤦🏻

'No longer innovate my arse'. Ridiculous.

None of this rebuts what I said, so my point stands. Cook appears to delegate too much and seems not to really care when delegated decisions go wrong.

 

[steve09090]

None of this rebuts what I said, so my point stands. Cook appears to delegate too much and seems not to really care when delegated decisions go wrong.

Wrong. Coz you’d know what he thinks?

 

[CapnAwesome]

Didn't they do the same thing with the App Store wishlist 7 or 8 years ago?

 

[iDave]

Why is Apple throwing everything into the AppleTV app? They are making it into the new old version of iTunes?

Exactly. iTunes was a mess before it was split up so it wasn't used for doing "everything." Now the Apple TV app is a complete mess, and very confusing. Hate it.

 

[poseidondev]

FWIW, I actually love the TV app, helps me keep track of my watch progress and get informed about new stuff to watch.

My only gripe is that Netflix is the sole holdout, refusing to integrate. But that’s Netflix’s fault, and as a result, I barely use it.

Another gripe is streaming services refusing to integrate with the Apple TV profiles, requiring you to select a profile in their app even though they have the option to link it to the Apple TV profile.

For the people who can’t access the wishlist in the iTunes app anymore: you can request a copy of your data, and amongst the files is a CSV with your wishlist items.

This way, you can at least salvage your wishlist and import it to something that supports CSV.

 

[canadianreader]

You can't. I use the Plex Media Server and App on the Apple TV for my ripped media.

Or Jellyfin it's like Plex but without the data collection and ads.

 

[Darren.h]

This is apples new way of fixing the bugs. just remove the code. and move on.

a new years resolution for 2024.

 

[AndreGB]

And with so many movie producers and directors asking fans away from the streaming world, they seem to be OK with making things worse. I hope they go back on this decision, I mean, the Movies/iTunes app is still there on our AppleTVs.

 

[stevemiller]

So many things are wrong with this ios 17.2 and their server end. For example Im currently having a issue with the icloud backup storage bug. My icloud backup storage was at 55mb monday then when I updated to ios 17.2 the storage keeps increasing everyday. I manually delete my texts and I know that from speaking MANY times with APPLE theyve told me it takes up to 4 days for the texts to delete on the SERVER end. Sometimes 180 days. I even had to buy more storage just to be safe. I refuse to call apple and have them fix it because Ive been told by MANY people on apple community page and others that eventually itll fix itself on the apple server end. I have 25 contacts, 1 photo 0 texts. Someone else mentioned to me yesterday on a different thread on macrumers that they experienced it too a few times in the past and that the server gets a lil buggy at times but itll magically fix itself eventually but if you call apple theyd fix it right away but Im not doing that. Its their issue on the server end so Im hoping itll fix itself. That or itll be fixed in a new ios 17.2.1 update perhaps. The other issue on ios 17.2 I noticed its under where it says NEXT BACKUP SIZE it doesnt show, it just says LOADING. Someone else said this is happening on their mac too ever since 17.2 came out. AND the toggle for messages on icloud doesnt turn on. Its frozen.

omg. i think this is what has happened to me too. my icloud usage suddenly blew past the 50gb i was paying for overnight one night. no new photos or texts or devices were added and i haven't been able to sync anything since.

it is so frustrating because icloud is such a black box. i'm sure they'd just say "oh you must actually be using that much" even though nothing changed on my end and it blew past by like 25gb all of the sudden, so i think i'd know. but as it stands it feels like they can just tell you whatever number they feel like and you just have to "trust them". if this is in fact a bug... that conveniently forces people to buy more storage than they need... its kind of despicable?

for what its worth, when i look at my entire photo library locally on my macbook pro, its 10gb, and my entire messages history is 18gb. and that matched icloud just fine until a couple weeks ago.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I found my wishlist in Up Next.

 

[BP9906]

Vudu is no different. I own lots of movies there and they blocked my IP weeks ago. Nope, can’t watch any movies I own at home. Only cell phone hotspot. Been sitting on a ticket for almost month and no action.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Wrong. Coz you’d know what he thinks?

Please re-read my comment. I never claimed to know what he thinks.

 

[tennisproha]

Not to mention the TV app doesn't even accurately show which version of a movie you own. If you have Movies Anywhere transfers in HD, the TV app shows that you own 4k but you really don’t lol. The itunes app was the only place to see which version you really owned.

 

[svish]

Disappointing to hear. But don't think Apple will be doing anything.

 

[ipedro]

There's also no way to organize the "Up Next" list. It's just a linear pile and if you want to cue up some movies, you have to scroll sideways through the list to find it, start watching it or remove/re-add so it appears near the start. An Up Next list in the TV app on macOS/iOS/iPadOS with draggable handles would really help.

 

[ipedro]

I found my wishlist in Up Next.

For real? Are you sure it's not just a similar list that you had started compiling in the TV app?

I would think that's how they'd map the transition from iTunes to Apple TV, but how did everybody else miss this?

 

[segfaultdotorg]

This is why critics prefer the iPhone 4. No surprises!

 

[steve09090]

Please re-read my comment. I never claimed to know what he thinks.

Yeah you did. You made assumptions without any qualifications on why. I've moved on.

 

[HVDynamo]

sure, I do the same, because the TV app doesn't recognize my ripped movies ... and then there are those who don't have a Mac, they're stuck ...

Plex. You can run the server for that on anything and get the plex app on Apple TV for free. If you pay for it you can even stream to your phone outside your house too.

 

[MuppetGate]

These things already happened before Tim. Saying Apple doesn’t innovate and Tim needs to go because you had 2 UX issues seems like too much exaggeration to me.

And why do people think Tim Cook is coding the UI?

If you have UX issues then that’s Craig Federighi’s department.

 

[MuppetGate]

It’s telling that not a single person has said ANYTHING positive about these changes or pointed out anything about them that could be seen as a positive for consumers.

Clearly the TV app is not being driven by customer focused developers. It has already become nothing but a user hostile rat’s nest of crap content shoved in your face in hope that you’ll break down and buy something.

This all goes back to Tim Cook. He delegates critical decisions and then seems not to care when when they lead to poor outcomes. Evidently all Tim wants to do is play with his plastic faceplate/helmet toy and try to convince you to pay as much as a used car to join him.

Nope.

If people have a problem, they complain (and rightly so).

If they don’t have a problem then they’re not going to jump on a forum to say everything’s hunky-dory.

And Tim Cook isn’t writing the code, and he’s not a designer. That’s why he delegates those decisions to the “experts”.

 

[Ctrlos]

And why do people think Tim Cook is coding the UI?

If you have UX issues then that’s Craig Federighi’s department.

These things are always business decisions. It's likely the iOS team does things in one big lump and then someone else tells them to slice it into 3 so they can serve it over successive years.

 

[MuppetGate]

I refuse to call apple and have them fix it because Ive been told by MANY people on apple community page and others that eventually itll fix itself on the apple server end.

… but itll magically fix itself eventually but if you call apple theyd fix it right away but Im not doing that.

Its their issue on the server end so Im hoping itll fix itself. That or itll be fixed in a new ios 17.2.1 update perhaps.

This is sheer lunacy. 🤦🏾‍♂️