Can Apple track how many users have AI turned off? If so, and if it's an amount that Apple finds worrisome, would that prompt them to rethink their AI strategy in terms of features and ROI?
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iOS 18.5 Already in Testing as Apple Intelligence Features for Siri Potentially Delayed
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Lol I know. This will never be good, not while Federeigh is there
Even if it’s coming in 18.4, that’s going to be released in April, that’s 7 months after launch.
I would too but it’s the only reasonable high end phone with at least some privacy features in mind
Correct. Siri technology and Siri, Inc. were engineered and co-founded by Stanford Research Institute cohorts Adam Cheyer, Dag Kittlaus, and Tom Gruber.
They launched Siri on the App Store in February 2010, and within a few weeks Steve Jobs personally called them to make an offer for the company. It was sold in April 2010 for more than $200 million.
Reportedly the underlying technology was in development long before the iPhone even shipped in 2007, so it's understandable that there's a lot of technical debt in there. That might explain why it's been slow to evolve and integrate GenAI features today.
This is what happens when you let marketing people take over the business.
A few emojis here, a new color there, 2mpx more, a control centre that is just more cluttered, bugs and issues all over the place due to ridiculous timelines…
Sooner or later they will hit a wall.. it’s just matter of time
A few emojis here, a new color there, 2mpx more, a control centre that is just more cluttered, bugs and issues all over the place due to ridiculous timelines…
Sooner or later they will hit a wall.. it’s just matter of time
I was high on Apple's AI announcement, thinking it would be just right for the average user. But that was before I'd had much experience with the various LLM's out now. For the past several months I've had need to familiarize myself with what is really happening in the AI world...
Apple is not even in the game really. None of these offerings do much of anything useful, and there are significantly better tools available on the iPhone than what Apple is offering.
Apple and AI are dead in the water for now.
Apple is not even in the game really. None of these offerings do much of anything useful, and there are significantly better tools available on the iPhone than what Apple is offering.
Apple and AI are dead in the water for now.
Just today, with intelligence enabled in my iPhone 16 Pro, I asked Siri to look something up on the web which yielded this:
Pretty sure that the “i” in iPhone stands for Internet…Yet this thing in 2025 tells me that it doesn’t see an app called Web.
F F S
Pretty sure that the “i” in iPhone stands for Internet…Yet this thing in 2025 tells me that it doesn’t see an app called Web.
F F S
Well, after Apple betrayed their support for minorities and every value they have been promoting in their ads for the last decade by climbing up Elons ass, I no longer believe in their privacy promises either.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
While I agree with you, money rules all and there's just too much money in the annual release show. Personally, I'd like a year (or two) focused on "just works" bug fixes and refinements... kind of a Snow Leopard-like proposition again. But rolling out visible gimmicks etc. stirs up more money than fixing bugs in stuff already sold. 💰💰💰
I have really enjoyed the Apple Intelligence features introduced so far and I'm looking forward to what's coming. Integrating Siri with ChatGPT has been really nice as well. I use Siri constantly both at home and on my mobile devices. Friends who upgraded are also enjoying it. Perhaps the higher-end tech folks are disappointed, but the customers who make up most of Apple's sales are likely pretty happy with it all.
Well said. Stability and bug fixes don't touch the circle of shareholder value on Apple's venn diagram. It can be beneficial when customer interests dovetail with corporate initiatives and priorities but this hasn't been the case with Apple for some time. They do what they need to do to make the money machine go brrrrrr
Well, Apple did ignore the new team from Siri Technology, refused to implement their suggestions, refused to allocate money, and the significant Siri Technologies staff all quit as soon as their contract allowed. Might have something to do with the lack of evolution.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Unlikely... because A.I. is Wall Street HOT right now and the money is all that matters. Instead, they'll finish this A.I. foundational work and then integrate it into up to all of the Apple apps making it towards essential to turn "ON"... like altering the file storage format in macOS generational changes as part of the method to motivate people to install the new macOS versions (so they can open a file touched by someone on an updated Mac). Open an iWork file on a newer version of macOS and then save it, then try to open it on an older version of macOS and it probably will NOT. To even USE Apple app files can "force" upgrades of macOS. What's to stop the same strategy from "forcing" A.I. "on"?
The choice of "OFF" is likely only short-term. IMO: in the next round or two, deep integration across Mac apps will basically force it "ON."
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I hope it goes full server/net sooner rather than later (an Apple version) honestly
To me, the more voice assistant based things get, the more I want that to be fully accessible across a wide range of devices (like a cellular watch) and not be reliant on the "patio paver" in my pocket
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Would it have been better if Siri said: "I don't know what you mean by look something up on the web. Here's what I found on the web for look something up on the web"
Do you know what the customer interests of billions of iPhone users are? Or just your own priorities and those of MR posters?
Well, the real question is why is AI Siri worse then old one? I mean back in a day it could at least sometimes have it right but now it’s disaster.