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iOS 6 Users Expressing Discontent Over Automatic iOS 7 Over-the-Air Downloads

"You tell me, you choose it for it to be active. It wasn't on mine. All I got was a reminder that iOS7 is now available with warning about how much space the download would use if I went ahead with it. It didn't make me do anything :D

It seems the people not reading for comprehension are the one's jumping on the bandwagon and crying about some ficticious forced update that didn't happen. If people instantly agree to every notification they get, there's the problem. It's a notification that an update is available, it doesn't just update itself"

You are the one apparently not reading for comprehension...it's not just a notification...it is downloaded to your device...maybe you should re-read the original article
"Specifically, users who still have iOS 6 installed are experiencing self-starting over-the-air (OTA) downloads for iOS 7 to their devices when connected to AC power, averaging around 1 GB per download and occupying 3.1 GB of storage. While the update does not automatically install itself and requires user authentication, the download does not show up in the storage submenu within settings."
Yes, it requires user input to finish the installation...there's no forcing of that...but that download is going to stay there eating up space...and guess what...if i ever have to do a restore for any reason, I do not have the option to stay on 6...sounds forced to me
 
barkmonster said:
It seems the people not reading for comprehension are the one's jumping on the bandwagon and crying about some ficticious forced update that didn't happen. If people instantly agree to every notification they get, there's the problem. It's a notification that an update is available, it doesn't just update itself!
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There are only one or two people here claiming that their iDevice was UPDATED by itself. The rest is discussing a totally different thing, an automatic download WITHOUT updating, but wasted space for an installer package which is not deletable. If you are one of the VERY few criticizing people here who get it and were referring to the one or two exceptions who claim automatic UPDATE, sorry and never mind. (The "class action" post you were answering to was talking about the wasted space though and "forced update" in the sense as the only possibility to get this wasted space back.) If you re-read the thread almost everybody who answered with big mouth misunderstood this difference although it was explained to them again and again. This is what I am sick about, especially as I am sure, these people unfortunately are not trolls, but REALLY that dumb...
 
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I wonder who's the idiot at Apple who decided to force OTA download on users. Yes i'm aware it won't install without the user's consent but in my case, around 7 family members connect to my router and my bandwidth has been raped because of Apple's stupid measures, is there any way to block OTA from the router settings?
 
TheOtherKind said:
"You tell me, you choose it for it to be active. It wasn't on mine. All I got was a reminder that iOS7 is now available with warning about how much space the download would use if I went ahead with it. It didn't make me do anything :D

It seems the people not reading for comprehension are the one's jumping on the bandwagon and crying about some ficticious forced update that didn't happen. If people instantly agree to every notification they get, there's the problem. It's a notification that an update is available, it doesn't just update itself"

You are the one apparently not reading for comprehension...it's not just a notification...it is downloaded to your device...maybe you should re-read the original article
"Specifically, users who still have iOS 6 installed are experiencing self-starting over-the-air (OTA) downloads for iOS 7 to their devices when connected to AC power, averaging around 1 GB per download and occupying 3.1 GB of storage. While the update does not automatically install itself and requires user authentication, the download does not show up in the storage submenu within settings."
Yes, it requires user input to finish the installation...there's no forcing of that...but that download is going to stay there eating up space...and guess what...if i ever have to do a restore for any reason, I do not have the option to stay on 6...sounds forced to me
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Strange I connect my phone to AC power on a nightly basis and had no automatic downloads. I also connected it to my Mac several times to put music on my iPhone and only got a dialogue in iTunes telling me an update is available and asking MY PERMISSION if I WANTED to download the update.
 
barkmonster said:
Strange I connect my phone to AC power on a nightly basis and had no automatic downloads. I also connected it to my Mac several times to put music on my iPhone and only got a dialogue in iTunes telling me an update is available and asking MY PERMISSION if I WANTED to download the update.
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OTA does not require PERMISSION unlike iTunes that DOES ASK FOR PERMISSION.
 
barkmonster said:
Strange I connect my phone to AC power on a nightly basis and had no automatic downloads. I also connected it to my Mac several times to put music on my iPhone and only got a dialogue in iTunes telling me an update is available and asking MY PERMISSION if I WANTED to download the update.
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Talk about not reading for comprehension...did you somehow miss the part where we are all commenting on a post in the Macrumors iOS blog which reports this and references CNET? Not to mention other reporting of it too? http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
You have the right to argue whether it's right or wrong for Apple to do this...that's what discussion is about...but to be deliberately obtuse, and pretend we're all suffering from some mass delusion because it didn't happen to you that way, in the face of documented evidence to the contrary, doesn't exactly give credence to your viewpoint
We are talking here about devices that are still running 6...I would hazard a guess that you upgraded to 7 when available, as a notification...and therefore got only a notification that the next update is available...the people who are commenting here have not updated to 7, and do not want to, yet the installation was pushed to them
 
bottom line of much wasted time with big-mouth airheads in this thread:

automatic download (of the installer package) ≠ automatic update

OTA behaviour ≠ iTunes behaviour

Time for those people to get their standard rhetoric emergency exit – ending the discussion with a "What does it matter anyway?! Update to iOS 7 already, Jesus!" before never hearing of them again.
 
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Mebsat said:
Where is the ability to choose auto update located?
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It was pretty late when I wrote this. I meant to ask how could I have prevented it from *downloading*.

Several have noted correctly that the problem is automatic downloading, not that it auto-updates (which only a couple of posters have claimed), and the resulting loss of usable space for those that want to continue using iOS6 for the time being.

Sorry if my post contributed to any confusion on this topic.

As to why some people are so hostile about people wanting to keep using their own technology as currently configured, I have no idea.

At least not any that I will share. ;)
 
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Treq said:
Not until there is a jailbreak so I can fix the horrible UI.
There are some nice improvements but the UI is just not one of them... Flat is not where it's at.
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LOL Like you would have any idea what a good or bad UI is.

LMAO.
 
0xyMoron said:
OTA does not require PERMISSION unlike iTunes that DOES ASK FOR PERMISSION.
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Ironic name you have there for someone repeating a point I'm disagreeing with from personal experience. No automatic downloads happened either on my iPhone or iTunes not once. I was on iOS 6.1.4 I think so maybe a more recent iOS6 had forced downloads but mine certainly didn't and that's the fact I'm repeatedly stating with people pointlessly denying it.

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TheOtherKind said:
Talk about not reading for comprehension...did you somehow miss the part where we are all commenting on a post in the Macrumors iOS blog which reports this and references CNET? Not to mention other reporting of it too? http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
You have the right to argue whether it's right or wrong for Apple to do this...that's what discussion is about...but to be deliberately obtuse, and pretend we're all suffering from some mass delusion because it didn't happen to you that way, in the face of documented evidence to the contrary, doesn't exactly give credence to your viewpoint
We are talking here about devices that are still running 6...I would hazard a guess that you upgraded to 7 when available, as a notification...and therefore got only a notification that the next update is available...the people who are commenting here have not updated to 7, and do not want to, yet the installation was pushed to them
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No. I waited until the 7.0.2 and read people's reactions to the update before I jumped in head first myself. It may be that an update between iOS 6.1.4 and iOS7 added the forced update but that's the iOS6 version I had until I "chose" to update straight to iOS 7.0.2 the other day.

I'd also like to add, there were no "Forced Downloads" in either incase there's any splitting hairs going on!
 
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barkmonster said:
Ironic name you have there for someone repeating a point I'm disagreeing with from personal experience. No automatic downloads happened either on my iPhone or iTunes not once. I was on iOS 6.1.4 I think so maybe a more recent iOS6 had forced downloads but mine certainly didn't and that's the fact I'm repeatedly stating with people pointlessly denying it.

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No. I waited until the 7.0.2 and read people's reactions to the update before I jumped in head first myself. It may be that an update between iOS 6.1.4 and iOS7 added the forced update but that's the iOS6 version I had until I "chose" to update straight to iOS 7.0.2 the other day.

I'd also like to add, there were no "Forced Downloads" in either incase there's any splitting hairs going on!
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More recent iOS 6.1.4? Is there iOS 6.1.4 new and iOS 6.1.4 old?
Your personal experience does not count when 99.9 of the majority experienced otherwise. Either you have no Wifi, or hardly ever charge your phone for a long time. OTA does not download through 3/4G, nor does it auto download while the phone is discharging unless the user forces it to download.
 
barkmonster said:
I'd also like to add, there were no "Forced Downloads" in either incase there's any splitting hairs going on!
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1. Connected to WiFi
2. Connected to AC
3. Battery over 51% (not 100% sure about that)
4. Enough free space on device

= forced 750 MB OTA download directly on device. Simple as that.
 
0xyMoron said:
More recent iOS 6.1.4? Is there iOS 6.1.4 new and iOS 6.1.4 old?
Your personal experience does not count when 99.9 of the majority experienced otherwise. Either you have no Wifi, or hardly ever charge your phone for a long time. OTA does not download through 3/4G, nor does it auto download while the phone is discharging unless the user forces it to download.
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Why did you twist the obvious point I was making about a more recent iOS6 version than iOS 6.1.4 to mean an "old" and "new" version of iOS 6.1.4 "specifically" just to attempt sarcasm?

I charge my phone nightly with the iPhone charger, I've plugged it into my Mac twice before updating since iOS7 came out too and as I've said, no auto-downloads, no auto-updates. If it's down to a lack of available storage, then that explains why I haven't experienced the issues people have mentioned.

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lars666 said:
Congratulations, better late than never - you brain took the right road...
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If I was aware of the specific conditions I wasn't fulfilling, it might have something to do with my brain, but I was basing my comments on my actual experience without knowing there were different, let's be honest, very specific, circumstances when it would have affected me and I'd have experienced the issues people have mentioned. I've never had more than a few hundred Mb left on my iPhone. I went from a 32Gb 3GS to a 16Gb iPhone 5 and I have over 120Gb of just music in my iTunes library to juggle between playlists.
 
bretm said:
It's not heaven on a 4. Slower, and not as pretty without all the translucency. Ditto with an ipad3! So all it's greatness is only supported on iPad 4 (a measly 6 months newer). It's white interface is meh. The app switcher is lame. Folders are lame. Notifications are messy. Control center is cool.
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I don't know how iPad minis have the translucency effects on an A5 but the 3rd gen iPad on an A5X doesn't. Why.
 
To all the "Get iOS 7, for god's sake!" sayers: I helped my father to slowly get used to iOS 6 and its functions on the iPad I bought him. He's old, not really tech-savvy and for the first time with an iOS update, a lot of thing really changed. There's no need to update his iPad to iOS 7, on the contrary: It would definitely decrease his experience.
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Pretty much the same thing here. Dad got an iPad just recently; it's the only Apple anything he's ever used, and he got it specifically to run Garmin Pilot, and rarely uses it at home except to watch the weather and planes in the air and so forth. And he *despises* Windows 8. I've told him moving to iOS 7 is a one-way trip, and that it's not necessary, and am hoping he at least holds off until my new phone comes in so he can try it out there first; if it changes the way his iPad functions in ways he doesn't like or that take too much getting used to, it will poison his view of Apple in general. Also, I'll never hear the end of it. (Now if, on *trying* 7, he likes it, that's a whole other matter.)

Also if you don't have the 3GB space it CAN'T download anyway. Also you have to be on wifi to be able to download the update.
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True, but that you have the space at the moment doesn't mean you don't generally use it, or that you won't need it in the future. (Perhaps, for example, you'd just cleared out a couple movies you'd already watched. If, later, you want to load a new one, only to find the space occupied by an unwanted, unremovable file you never asked for, why *wouldn't* you be frustrated?)

Also… for me, anyway, I prefer to approve downloads of any significant size regardless, because my wifi connection isn't as swift as I'd like and I may be using the bandwidth for something else. I can then let larger things come through when I'm not actively using the connection.


How in 2013 is it still a mystery to some people that when new OS's come out, some old apps stop working if the devs don't update them.
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It's not a mystery. That's *why* many people want to wait on the new OS: because they *do* know that some apps may stop working until updates for them are released.

It might be crazy but assuming that the majority of the iDevice population uses 16GB or higher devices it's not a huge deal.
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Why not? It's not how much storage space you have that matters, but how much *free* space you have and don't intend to use for something else.

Why is the fact you "choose" auto update not sinking in with some people.
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Apparently, the only way to "choose" NOT to download the update is to be constantly on guard against having free space, having wifi turned on, and being plugged in at the same time. That sort of thing gets tiresome fast.
 
cmChimera said:
I think you misunderstood what I was replying to. I was saying I doubt that a user that is not allowed to upgrade due to the phone being company owned would be having space constraints as I doubt that user would have much freedom in installing apps and media.
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Not true. My IT department doesn't want us to upgrade until they have thoroughly tested it in the environment. But, typically, I can load pretty much whatever I want from the App Store.

Since my company is a top vendor in the IT industry itself, I would assume they follow best practices.
 
If you never leave your home network (for example with a iPad), you can block http://mesu.apple.com/assets/com_ap...date/com_apple_MobileAsset_SoftwareUpdate.xml for that devices MAC address on your router.

My iPad 2 is still on 6.1.3 and no (1) bubble on the settings icon either, heck I can even manually go to software update and it just errors out. :p


P.S. If your jail broken you can just block that address in your devices hosts file.
 
barkmonster said:
Why did you twist the obvious point I was making about a more recent iOS6 version than iOS 6.1.4 to mean an "old" and "new" version of iOS 6.1.4 "specifically" just to attempt sarcasm?

I charge my phone nightly with the iPhone charger, I've plugged it into my Mac twice before updating since iOS7 came out too and as I've said, no auto-downloads, no auto-updates. If it's down to a lack of available storage, then that explains why I haven't experienced the issues people have mentioned.

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If I was aware of the specific conditions I wasn't fulfilling, it might have something to do with my brain, but I was basing my comments on my actual experience without knowing there were different, let's be honest, very specific, circumstances when it would have affected me and I'd have experienced the issues people have mentioned. I've never had more than a few hundred Mb left on my iPhone. I went from a 32Gb 3GS to a 16Gb iPhone 5 and I have over 120Gb of just music in my iTunes library to juggle between playlists.
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The bigger point in all of this is that people should really read the articles and threads they are posting in and perhaps do a little research before doing so. Personal experience can often not mean anything to anyone else since personally people don't experience all kinds of things even though they happen a lot to other people. Kind of a basic common sense type of thing.
 
pmz said:
LOL Like you would have any idea what a good or bad UI is.

LMAO.
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Well, a good ui informs the user intuitively and doesn't obscure usefull information. Drop shadows separate the background from the foreground so they don't blend from one to the other, obscuring information. Lines and borders also help to separate elements creating a clear delineation. Text and background colors are chosen to separate those elements for clarity. All of these are ui design basics and all have been ignored in this ui.
 
C DM said:
The bigger point in all of this is that people should really read the articles and threads they are posting in and perhaps do a little research before doing so. Personal experience can often not mean anything to anyone else since personally people don't experience all kinds of things even though they happen a lot to other people. Kind of a basic common sense type of thing.
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I read the CNET article the day this story appeared on the site about it. No mention of specific conditions. Just the automatic download and 3Gb of storage used. As a side note, when I backed up my iPhone before updating by choice, it showed it was over-capacity by over 600Mb but my iPhone has always had significantly less storage than 16Gb, with about 2Gb of Apps and 11Gb of music, the "other" data regularly bloats to several Gb. Even in iOS7 Apple haven't had the sense to implement clearing App caches as an option. The latest train wreck from Facebook bloated to 800Mb the other day, filling my entire phone and giving an error!
 
lars666 said:
1. Connected to WiFi
2. Connected to AC
3. Battery over 51% (not 100% sure about that)
4. Enough free space on device

= forced 750 MB OTA download directly on device. Simple as that.
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I've had my iPad on WiFi all week long running 6.1.3 and with 23.6GB free space, my 7.0 upgrade has not downloaded. Must be something happening with only certain people.

My iPhone on 6.1.3 is the same way. Both were upgraded to 7.0 and then downgraded to 6.1.3.

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