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iOS 6 Users Expressing Discontent Over Automatic iOS 7 Over-the-Air Downloads

MacGeek1987 said:
Though there should be a way to delete the downloaded update, folks are better off upgrading if their devices are supported. Over the next several months, most apps will require iOS 7.
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How many of these are more weather apps, To Do lists and Twitter clients that only folks on Twitter and Dribbble care about? Numbers don't matter on the App Store, big names do (ask BlackBerry about that). Facebook still supports iOS 5, for example.

And I'm saying that as someone who has an iOS 7+ app in review (one that won't matter to most people either) :)

Now would be an interesting time to release the 6.1.3/6.1.4 jailbreak…
 
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Icy1007 said:
Who wouldn't want iOS 7? Those people should switch to Android.
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This is so damn annoying. Who are you to tell users who don't like a new software update that they should switch platform? The arrogance in that statement is staggering. If they want to stay on iOS6 (or iOS 5, for that matter), so freaking what?
 
JAT said:
That's fine. But they didn't steal enough.

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I'm confused, could you explain? In iOS6, you also have to scroll to go through a long list, or Search. What's different?
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With iOS 6, it is set up Artists - Albums - Songs You have to select each one to go deeper. After selecting an artist, it would present you with a list of albums to select from. And if you have a lot of albums by that artist, it will even break them down with alphabetical headings. Once you selected an album, you would then be given the list of the songs on that album.

With iOS 7, going from artist takes you right into one big list of all the songs/albums by that artist, arranged in chronological order. Those with no year are at the end. Each album is presented with a small postage size display of the album artwork.

The only bonus to it is that my car's stereo will now play all the songs by an artist from the song that I select to the end of all their songs (so the whole artist collection is like one big album - the tracks are even numbered so... example 36 of 111, instead of 3 of 12), unlike with 6 where it would finish the album and then jump to the first album name (all artists combined) in alphabetical order and play the first song off that album. Now it plays all the songs from an artist, but then still jumps to the first song thing.

The one thing that is irritating is that they animated the album artwork, so after playing a song off an album, and then playing the next song, it will slide the artwork onto the screen, even though it is the same artwork.
 
Solver said:
The only likely solution for this will be a iOS 6.1.5 update
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Which could come with a 'fix' that would erase the already-downloaded (but not yet installed) iOS7 cached data.

The fix could also make it so that it becomes VERY difficult to accidentally or inadvertently install any future OS updates. For example, it should prompt you at least twice, asking you "You are about to Update your Operating System. Once you do this, you will NOT be able to revert back to the previous iOS version. Are you really really sure you want to do this? If you are unclear about any of this, please tap the CANCEL button."
 
Rogifan said:
So the 3GB installation file downloads to your device and you can't remove it? What if you don't have 3GB free space? I know I didn't and made a point of freeing up space right before I did the update.
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Update does not download automatically is the space is not available.

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TheRainKing said:
I say it was the best because in my opinion it was the most smooth and polished version of iOS. It had great features like iCloud and Notification Centre, as well having the original Google Maps and YouTube Apps. It had solid battery life as well.
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I agree. No coincidence it was the last one on Steve's watch.

Yes, I am aware it became available seven days after his death.
 
Forget what anyone has said on this thread on the negative side.

At the end of the day - no software update should be "mandatory" or automatic either in download or installation.

If one doesn't have a problem with it - that's fine. But it's ridiculous to expect that everyone wants what YOU want.
 
samcraig said:
Forget what anyone has said on this thread on the negative side.

At the end of the day - no software update should be "mandatory" or automatic either in download or installation.

If one doesn't have a problem with it - that's fine. But it's ridiculous to expect that everyone wants what YOU want.
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Amen and amen...to me, it starts down a very slippery slope when corporations tell you they know what's best for you, and what you want, even though you're not smart enough to realize it yet...
 
cclloyd said:
It's like Windows 8. Updating all the time without telling me, then forcing me to restart whether I want ot or not.
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And at least you should be able to change that with Windows 8.

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TheOtherKind said:
Amen and amen...to me, it starts down a very slippery slope when corporations tell you they know what's best for you, and what you want, even though you're not smart enough to realize it yet...
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Wasn't it even Apple that did that 1984 commercial and all that think different and "the crazy ones" stuff? Apparently it's all about not following along with the established standard...unless it's their standard which you should then follow along without that much of a choice. There's irony somewhere there. ;-)
 
john123 said:
This is so damn annoying. Who are you to tell users who don't like a new software update that they should switch platform? The arrogance in that statement is staggering. If they want to stay on iOS6 (or iOS 5, for that matter), so freaking what?
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Nevermind. I misunderstood.
 
Class Action

This is really a ready made class action situation.

Apple has deprived iPhone owners of use of the storage space they purchased. Storage is actually sold by Apple in easy to measure units.

First 16GB = $199
Additional 16GB = +$100 (over base model)
Additional 48GB = +$200 (over base model)

We could average those and get a range of $6.25 - $12.50/GB. We don't necessarily know the mix, but the court could easily make it exact based on which phone you have.

Apple has arguably forced people's phones into an unusable state by taking most of their usable storage away for something they didn't ask for.
That equates to damages of $18.00 to $36.00 per user.

It's also something that could be seen as a monopolistic or anticompetitive practice. (Using its dominant position in the market to force a hardware upgrade). What choice do you have if you rely on iOS apps in a business context but to upgrade the OS or if you have older hardware, to upgrade to new hardware to have acceptable usability? Separately, if there are any market angles where iOS7 is more valuable for Apple than iOS6, it could be seen as a form of market manipulation.

Clayton and Sherman angles are probably a stretch, but basic damages is pretty easy to show.
 
wouldn't the class action aspect be offset by the fact that the OS takes up space to begin with?...you're not getting the entire storage space you purchase to begin with...I'm sure Apple would likely argue that this update is a critical addition to the OS to increase security, etc? (not that I'm agreeing with that argument, just postulating as to the route likely taken)
 
viperGTS said:
When you're forced to give up 3GB+ of storage for an update you may not even want, that's unacceptable.
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752 mb is the download. You don't have to install it. Once installed, then it is 3gb . Just saying. Apple may done it for your convenience if you wan it updated. You could just ignore it like the updates and emails and etc.
 
yodaxl7 said:
752 mb is the download. You don't have to install it. Once installed, then it is 3gb . Just saying. Apple may done it for your convenience if you wan it updated. You could just ignore it like the updates and emails and etc.
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Once again, which part was too difficult to understand?
We do NOT want the update forced onto our devices without our say to download it and eat up valuable space in the device when it cannot even be expanded with a removable storage device or remove from our devices.

It is NOT for our convenience, but for our inconvenience and also for Apple to boast how quickly people are to download iOS7.

Oh, by the way, before I get bashed for being cheap or anything for talking about how spaces are valuable and I must be using a 8GB or anything like that. Please don't even try to go that route. Thank you.
 
TheOtherKind said:
wouldn't the class action aspect be offset by the fact that the OS takes up space to begin with?...you're not getting the entire storage space you purchase to begin with...I'm sure Apple would likely argue that this update is a critical addition to the OS to increase security, etc? (not that I'm agreeing with that argument, just postulating as to the route likely taken)
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I think it would depend on whether you could define iOS 7 as something new and distinct, or whether it is just the OS as reflected by the SLA. But since none of us will ever actually read the SLA...

Also, the OS that shipped with the phone takes up a defined amount of space that I was aware of (or could have made myself aware of) when I purchased it. The iOS 7 installer does not add any features to iOS 6 and as such is not functional (until I install). But that is the point, do I not have the right to not install?

I would think a class action would be centered around the fact that we did not agree to let Apple to configure a device we own (and we do own the hardware) at their whim, just because it is running their licensed software. Reducing the amount of usable storage could definitely be interpreted as an attempt to force a new purchase of an Apple product.

One theory for the lawyers to follow:
a) Reduce storage by 20% without user consent
b) Force user to use new OS (on hardware that doesn't run it well) to reclaim space
c) Don't allow user to roll back to previous version which was more responsive on their hardware
d) User eventually has to buy new hardware to have acceptable user experience
 
Mebsat said:
I think it would depend on whether you could define iOS 7 as something new and distinct, or whether it is just the OS as reflected by the SLA. But since none of us will ever actually read the SLA...

Also, the OS that shipped with the phone takes up a defined amount of space that I was aware of (or could have made myself aware of) when I purchased it. The iOS 7 installer does not add any features to iOS 6 and as such is not functional (until I install). But that is the point, do I not have the right to not install?

I would think a class action would be centered around the fact that we did not agree to let Apple to configure a device we own (and we do own the hardware) at their whim, just because it is running their licensed software. Reducing the amount of usable storage could definitely be interpreted as an attempt to force a new purchase of an Apple product.

One theory for the lawyers to follow:
a) Reduce storage by 20% without user consent
b) Force user to use new OS (on hardware that doesn't run it well) to reclaim space
c) Don't allow user to roll back to previous version which was more responsive on their hardware
d) User eventually has to buy new hardware to have acceptable user experience
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Why is the fact you "choose" auto update not sinking in with some people. No automatic downloads here. I updated when 7.0.2 came out because I chose to and all this pathetic, reactionary talk of pedantic law suits and "forced" updates is a joke!
 
barkmonster said:
Why is the fact you "choose" auto update not sinking in with some people. No automatic downloads here. I updated when 7.0.2 came out because I chose to and all this pathetic, reactionary talk of pedantic law suits and "forced" updates is a joke!
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Where is the ability to choose auto update located?
 
Mebsat said:
Where is the ability to choose auto update located?
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Give it up, it's a hopeless case. People here won't bother to read and try to understand the REAL topic and the difference between "automatic download" and "automatic update" ...
 
Mebsat said:
Where is the ability to choose auto update located?
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You tell me, you choose it for it to be active. It wasn't on mine. All I got was a reminder that iOS7 is now available with warning about how much space the download would use if I went ahead with it. It didn't make me do anything :D

lars666 said:
Give it up, it's a hopeless case. People here won't bother to read and try to understand the REAL topic and the difference between "automatic download" and "automatic update" ...
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It seems the people not reading for comprehension are the one's jumping on the bandwagon and crying about some ficticious forced update that didn't happen. If people instantly agree to every notification they get, there's the problem. It's a notification that an update is available, it doesn't just update itself!
 
"It is NOT for our convenience, but for our inconvenience and also for Apple to boast how quickly people are to download iOS7."
This.
 
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