iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

[balcis]

this is just ********!

i have retina ipad and i don't want it to crowle under that stupid candy ios7 ****.

I do facetime calls with my mother that she can only use an ipad, and I don't want it to be laggy like stupid android devices.

FU*K YOU APPLE! just FU*K YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!

 

[MyopicPaideia]

Its like if I bought a mid sized car from Toyota 2 years ago and due to a manufacturers defect, my engine stopped working and the car is still under warranty. Toyota then say that they will replace the existing 2.4 litre engine with a 1.3 litre engine and call it a fix meaning my car is much slower now, instead of just fixing/replacing the current engine.

The correct analogy would be to say that they returned your car with the same engine, but added some extra weight due to fitting your car with extra chassis reinforcement, extra airbags, and beefier brakes. This resulted in your car's 0-60 time being slower by half a second.

 

[Rogifan]

So iOS 7 is the same as iOS 6 with the only change being that FaceTime works? Or are there more than just a few other changes as well? So that's not changing a bunch of stuff? Why are people taking about others going to iOS 7 and how much better it is and all that if it doesn't really change anything except getting FaceTime to work and maybe just a few small things here and there?

Sure there are features in iOS 7 that don't exist in iOS 6. But I'm not seeing many people complain about the features (like control center), they're complaining about the UI design, about icons they think are ugly. How long should Apple support iOS 6 because someone doesn't like icon designs, color palettes or Helvetia Neue font?

 

[C DM]

Sure there are features in iOS 7 that don't exist in iOS 6. But I'm not seeing many people complain about the features (like control center), they're complaining about the UI design, about icons they think are ugly. How long should Apple support iOS 6 because someone doesn't like icon designs, color palettes or Helvetia Neue font?

Well, there you go, a bunch of other irrelevant changes to fix one thing that they broke themselves.

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The correct analogy would be to say that they returned your car with the same engine, but added some extra weight due to fitting your car with extra chassis reinforcement, extra airbags, and beefier brakes. This resulted in your car's 0-60 time being slower by half a second.

And you paid for and want to have the car you originally got, since that's what you paid for and got. Not have a bunch of other things done to it simply so that the manufacturer can fix their screw up related just to the engine.

 

[sebastian...]

Let's hope that some community smart programmer will find a fix soon for this problem even if Apple says it's impossible to fix it.

Can't one manually update those certificate ? Perhaps by copying them from the updated iOS 6.1.6?

I still have a jailbroken ipod touch 1st gen 16GB with ios 1 (never had the time to update it) and I looked at it a few days ago and it's amazing how many things the community was able to make for it when there was no App Store.

 

[oldmacs]

The correct analogy would be to say that they returned your car with the same engine, but added some extra weight due to fitting your car with extra chassis reinforcement, extra airbags, and beefier brakes. This resulted in your car's 0-60 time being slower by half a second.

No actually, I would have bought the car with the features that i wanted w not for extras that I didn't need at the time. Toyota offers these upgrades for free but they all have negative impact on the performance, fuel economy and comfort of the car. Thus I choose to leave my car alone, and just want the right engine put back in.

 

[Rogifan]

Well, there you go, a bunch of other irrelevant changes to fix one thing that they broke themselves.

So email Cook and Federighi. Or spam Apple's feedback mailbox. Complaining here does no good.

 

[MacVista]

I just hope that disgruntled iOS 6 users won't start boycotting Apple by buying and returning stuff, thus saddling Apple with 'refurbished' 20% losses on perfectly good, new merchandise.

First Apple parked 3GB of data on their iDevices. Now they continue subtracting functionality for no good reason. Many if not most of new apps that require iOS7 could have been designed to work on iOS 6 just as well.

I don't know of any other company that would go out of their way to sabotage their older products to induce more sales. As if regular wear and tear was not enough for greedy Apple.

 

[Avenged110]

For those diehard iOS 6 users who are bitching.... The solution is simple: go buy an iOS device that cannot run iOS 7.

You get the fix AND keep your antiquated OS

Win, win!!!

✋ Not bitching over here, just rather disappointed. And ignoring the sarcasm, that would require my using a non-Retina, Lightning-less, turn-by-turn lacking iPhone. Not to say I don't love the 3GS, but it's not practical for everyone.

 

[C DM]

So email Cook and Federighi. Or spam Apple's feedback mailbox. Complaining here does no good.

Why does complaining here as well does no good? Not only do we not know what it might lead to, but no one but me knows what does me good, so if discussing and complaint here about it is doing me some good in whatever way, doesn't seem like anyone can say otherwise, right? It's a discussion forum, saying there's no point to discuss something and people should just be quiet about this or that goes against the whole point of it. Those who don't care about the discussion or don't like it can simply not participate in it or even spend any of their time looking through it at all.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

Well, there you go, a bunch of other irrelevant changes to fix one thing that they broke themselves.

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And you paid for and want to have the car you originally got, since that's what you paid for and got. Not have a bunch of other things done to it simply so that the manufacturer can fix their screw up related just to the engine.

And like has been said many times, you have every right to make a choice. You can simply get off the bus, this is the perfect stop for you to do so. Apple has provided you with a cost free solution. If you don't want to take that, there is no obligation for them to provide you with another.

And frankly, I would not want them to waste their resources on trying to. I would rather they concentrated on innovating instead.

 

[oldmacs]

✋ Not bitching over here, just rather disappointed. And ignoring the sarcasm, that would require my using a non-Retina, Lightning-less, turn-by-turn lacking iPhone. Not to say I don't love the 3GS, but it's not practical for everyone.

Not everyone has the money to upgrade as Apple wants its consumers to. Theres no reason why iOS 7 should run any slower than iOS 6 on older devices (With animations off, blur off, background update off, multitasking all quit) but it does.

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And like has been said many times, you have every right to make a choice. You can simply get off the bus, this is the perfect stop for you to do so. Apple has provided you with a cost free solution. If you don't want to take that, there is no obligation for them to provide you with another.

Its not the solution they should have provided though. It may be cost free but for many it means slowness and having to relearn things. Try teaching elderly people iOS 7.. I have and its hell.

They have already developed iOS 6.1.6 to fix the problems with both SSL and FaceTime, so it would not be a waste of resources, just releasing an already prepared update to the public.

 

[MacVista]

So email Cook and Federighi. Or spam Apple's feedback mailbox. Complaining here does no good.

Some may start buying and returning stuff to turn new merchandise into refurb losses for Apple.

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Why should Apple Fix something on an old unsupported iOS?

Because they already did, but won't let iOS6 users benefit from it.

 

[Avenged110]

Not everyone has the money to upgrade as Apple wants its consumers to. Theres no reason why iOS 7 should run any slower than iOS 6 on older devices (With animations off, blur off, background update off, multitasking all quit) but it does.

Yes, that too. I'm firmly cemented in iOS 6 for this amusing argument in case I wasn't too clear

 

[MacVista]

Except you don't own the software you license it from Apple and their terms and conditions state that they can make future updates at their discretion.

He may not own the software, but he sure owns the device.

 

[TouchMint.com]

Your tin foil hat is crooked.

Apple created this 'bug' via fixing another one. The SSL bug that was patched in 6.1.6 and 7.0.6. Secured connections are a big deal for Apple so a new certificate was created to verify that folks had a patched version. If they don't they aren't secure etc. This is actually a good thing.

The game wasn't about forcing updates but about forcing folks to use secured software and connections. Same as Apple doesn't issue updates just to kill jailbreaks. They repair flaws and if it destroys a jailbreak they just don't care

Good to know thanks!

 

[C DM]

The correct analogy would be to say that they returned your car with the same engine, but added some extra weight due to fitting your car with extra chassis reinforcement, extra airbags, and beefier brakes. This resulted in your car's 0-60 time being slower by half a second.

And like has been said many times, you have every right to make a choice. You can simply get off the bus, this is the perfect stop for you to do so. Apple has provided you with a cost free solution. If you don't want to take that, there is no obligation for them to provide you with another.

And frankly, I would not want them to waste their resources on trying to. I would rather they concentrated on innovating instead.

Let's keep it even simpler. They put the same engine back but as part of it have to reprint your car a totally different color, nothing else, just that. Doesn't sound like a big deal for some, but quite a lot of people make a decision on the color of the car they have and they certainly don't need that changed just because a manufacturer has to fix an engine problem they themselves created. It's that simple.

A solution that changes a bunch of other things just to get one thing that should be working back in working order isn't really cost free in the sense of you still having exactly what you originally got and actually want to have.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

Not everyone has the money to upgrade as Apple wants its consumers to. Theres no reason why iOS 7 should run any slower than iOS 6 on older devices (With animations off, blur off, background update off, multitasking all quit) but it does.

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Its not the solution they should have provided though. It may be cost free but for many it means slowness and having to relearn things. Try teaching elderly people iOS 7.. I have and its hell.

They have already developed iOS 6.1.6 to fix the problems with both SSL and FaceTime, so it would not be a waste of resources, just releasing an already prepared update to the public.

Actually it would. The only simple way to do this would be to cut off ALL older devices from iOS 7 for the sake of a very tiny majority of users, so that the latest version they see is 6.1.6. The alternative would be to completely redesign the way the software update works in iOS which would require significant resources because this function lies at the core of basic changes in the way the OS is allowed to change itself. It wouldn't simply be adding a drop down menu for you to choose which update you want to install.

I and the vast majority of users would rather those resources go to developing the latest version of the software, the one that the vast majority of users are using due to the ease and simplicity of the update path, which is a huge competitive advantage over the competition.

 

[zioxide]

this is just ********!

i have retina ipad and i don't want it to crowle under that stupid candy ios7 ****.

I do facetime calls with my mother that she can only use an ipad, and I don't want it to be laggy like stupid android devices.

FU*K YOU APPLE! just FU*K YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!

This is just ridiculous hyperbole. Talk about first world problems.

I have a 3rd generation Retina iPad as well. Running the latest 7.1.1. Works great, there's no noticeable difference between it on that and iOS 6.

I also think it's quite funny when people refer to iOS 7 as "candy" or whatever when the original glossy iOS 1-6 icons were inspired by the candy themes of the early OS X days. In the end, they're just icons.

 

[MagicHAM]

This whole stubbornness of refusing to upgrade iOS 7 because of its new look is ridiculas and has gone on for too long. I got news for you, they're not changing the look anytime soon and if you want to buy an iPhone 6 this fall, your gonna have to get over it.

Tell me about it. I agree, I'm trying to get my husband to upgrade his phone to i0S 7.1 but he refuses to (he's still on iOS 6) because he hates the baby look. (picky much). Need to get over it if you want things to work out of the box. Can't expect Apple to keep supporting an old iOS version forever just because you are stubborn to upgrade! That's now how business works!

 

[C DM]

Tell me about it. I agree, I'm trying to get my husband to upgrade his phone to i0S 7.1 but he refuses to (he's still on iOS 6) because he hates the baby look. (picky much). Need to get over it if you want things to work out of the box. Can't expect Apple to keep supporting an old iOS version forever just because you are stubborn to upgrade! That's now how business works!

That is actually kind of how business works for companies that understand and care. Look at how long Microsoft has extended XP support because enough outcry and people/businesses using it was there. Sure it's not forever, but way beyond original and even some follow up plans.

 

[MacVista]

Some day Apple may miss all those customers they pissed off with greed.

 

[oldmacs]

Actually it would. The only simple way to do this would be to cut off ALL older devices from iOS 7 for the sake of a very tiny majority of users, so that the latest version they see is 6.1.6. The alternative would be to completely redesign the way the software update works in iOS which would require significant resources because this function lies at the core of basic changes in the way the OS is allowed to change itself. It wouldn't simply be adding a drop down menu for you to choose which update you want to install.

I and the vast majority of users would rather those resources go to developing the latest version of the software, the one that the vast majority of users are using due to the ease and simplicity of the update path, which is a huge competitive advantage over the competition.

Apple has already created the fix, but has not distributed it to other users. It should be made available for iPad 2/3 and iPhone 4 users. It would choose update a or b. not that bloody hard.

 

[MacSince'85]

What an ignorant statement

And I repeat that no features have been refused to you. It is you the user who actively choose to gimp your device when the manufacturer has provided you with a completely free and simple to apply fix to restore your devices functionality while you insist on on using software with known security issues.

The iPod Touch 4G is left with about 26MB of usable non-system memory after the "upgrade" from iOS 5 to iOS 6. I suppose you don't consider that to be any loss of functionality to restore the prior functionality of FaceTime that was eliminated by a bug (can we say flaw) in Apple's software. Don't belittle those of us who are in this very real bind: having to choose between a properly functioning device and no FaceTime or a ****ty working device to be able to FaceTime like we used to.

 

[oliversl]

Must upgrade to iOS 7

Not going to happen, sorry

iOS 8 here I come