iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

[MisakixMikasa]

I know at least Google and HTC directly support allowing you to unlock the bootloader (part of rooting), I don't know about others.

Unlock the boot loader would void your warranty.

Samsung also have their Odin application floating around internet...Odin would allow you unlock the boot loader, root and eventually install ROM

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Except you don't own the software you license it from Apple and their terms and conditions state that they can make future updates at their discretion.

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ios6.pdf


So iOS 7 capable device owners can stay on iOS 6 but I don't see anywhere where Apple would be legally required to support it.

They don't... It is perfect legal for Apple to drop support iOS 6... In turn Apple is suppose make sure iOS 6 at least functional. Apple can do whatever they want, but not buy cutting essential features... It is just not ethical way to do business... But it is perfectly legal...

 

[2010mini]

For those diehard iOS 6 users who are bitching.... The solution is simple: go buy an iOS device that cannot run iOS 7.

You get the fix AND keep your antiquated OS

Win, win!!!

 

[Rogifan]

No...

Need to say that... OEM manufactures aren't throwing all preventative measure like Apple to make downgrade impossible. But when you do unlock the boot loader, you loss the warranty. However, outside warranty, manufacture does not care what you do.

Apple on other hand simply lock down the device entirely without way out.

Just need to point out the difference

Seems to me Apple wants as many people as possible running their latest mobile software. Even if I didn't like iOS 7 UI I'd most likely still update my device knowing that most app developers aren't going to update or add new features to iOS 6 and prior apps. I love the new Weather Channel iPhone app (can't wait until they update the iPad). That update is only available for iOS 7.

 

[JosephAW]

This sets a whole new presidence for Apple.
I haven't upgraded to mavericks on my imac because a loss of compatibility of $1000 worth of software. What's next? Loss of itunes sync on ios7 or lockout my iPhone 4s unless I upgrade to mavericks?
BTW some of my clients who use iPhones are forbidden to upgrade to ios7 by their I.T. department.
God I miss Steve Jobs! Apple is in decline and has already forgotten his mission and business model that made Apple great.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Seems to me Apple wants as many people as possible running their latest mobile software. Even if I didn't like iOS 7 UI I'd most likely still update my device knowing that most app developers aren't going to update or add new features to iOS 6 and prior apps. I love the new Weather Channel iPhone app (can't wait until they update the iPad). That update is only available for iOS 7.

We can all agree sooner or later people will have to upgrade or serifs platform. BUT people also want keep using their devices as long as possible. I think most people who choose to keep iOS 6 won't mind not getting latest and greatest apps. They just want their device runs as they expected. Once they found they need to upgrade due to whatever the reason, they will. It is all about choice. If people choose to stay older version, there is nothing wrong with that.

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This sets a whole new presidence for Apple.
I haven't upgraded to mavericks on my imac because a loss of compatibility of $1000 worth of software. What's next? Loss of itunes sync on ios7 or lockout my iPhone 4s unless I upgrade to mavericks?
BTW some of my clients who use iPhones are forbidden to upgrade to ios7 by their I.T. department.
God I miss Steve Jobs! Apple is in decline and has already forgotten his mission and business model that made Apple great.

I think Apple works pretty much the same way as Jobs was around. Under Jobs, Apple never really supported older softwares. And iOS isn't downgradable either.

 

[deviant]

Ehh..try using iOS 5, iOS 6 and iOS 7.1, compare the crash, lag, choppy and battery life. That should help you rethink

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Aren't you a genius. Nicely put. :applause: but wait...ever occurred to you that some may not be so fond of colorful awesomeness of iOS 7 or super battery life? or whatever reason they may have. Oh wait, no! because they're just lazy and clings on to old stuff.

you must be drunk or something. mine NEVER crashed on ios7. NEVER. neither it did on iOs 6. or 5. About the speed.. You can't expect an almost 3 years old phone perform the same with 2 major upgrades, just like how you can't expect a core 2 duo with mavericks performing the same as i7 quad core with mavericks. Do i really have to explain this simple stuff to you? Battery life is 6.5 hours of use, like it always was, almost. You can't expect the same battery life as when you just bought it. Mine is 2,5 years, it went from 7-7.5 to 6.5. not because of ios7, but because it was slowly deteriorating. There are always people who will use snow leopard over mavericks, ios6 over ios7, 8, 9 and so on, Xp over 7. the list goes on. my parents still use their nokias classic models with buttons and stuff. not because they're better, but because they are afraid and uncomfortable changing stuff. So are all of you. You will HAVE to update. Sooner or later it will become a brick. Half of my apps require iOS 7, how the hell do you even use your iPhone? Sending sms and calling, that must be all. Buy a nokia classic phone, just like my parents. You'll feel better.

 

[Rogifan]

Unlock the boot loader would void your warranty.

Samsung also have their Odin application floating around internet...Odin would allow you unlock the boot loader, root and eventually install ROM

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They don't... It is perfect legal for Apple to drop support iOS 6... In turn Apple is suppose make sure iOS 6 at least functional. Apple can do whatever they want, but not buy cutting essential features... It is just not ethical way to do business... But it is perfectly legal...

But they're not cutting essential features. Devices that cannot run iOS 7 received an update for the security and FaceTime issues. Should Apple still support iOS 5 on iOS 6 capable devices because someone preferred the old Google maps and YouTube apps?

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We can all agree sooner or later people will have to upgrade or serifs platform. BUT people also want keep using their devices as long as possible. I think most people who choose to keep iOS 6 won't mind not getting latest and greatest apps. They just want their device runs as they expected. Once they found they need to upgrade due to whatever the reason, they will. It is all about choice. If people choose to stay older version, there is nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with it. But then don't complain if Apple doesn't provide software updates to your device. Because it seems quite clear Apple is under no legal obligation to so and wants as many people running their latest software.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

But they're not cutting essential features. Devices that cannot run iOS 7 received an update for the security and FaceTime issues. Should Apple still support iOS 5 on iOS 6 capable devices because someone preferred the old Google maps and YouTube apps?

FaceTime is not essential feature? Apple need to make sure FaceTime functional regardless version of OS.. So if there is bug causing phone app stop functioning on iOS 6, then what? Let people choose between useless phone or upgrade to iOS 7?

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But they're not cutting essential features. Devices that cannot run iOS 7 received an update for the security and FaceTime issues. Should Apple still support iOS 5 on iOS 6 capable devices because someone preferred the old Google maps and YouTube apps?

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Nothing wrong with it. But then don't complain if Apple doesn't provide software updates to your device. Because it seems quite clear Apple is under no legal obligation to so and wants as many people running their latest software.

No one arguing about software update. Everyone is arguing that Apple need makes sure everything works as it intended to. I think that is bear minimum

 

[zioxide]

My legal advice to all of you is to stand your ground and NOT update. This is how you can best preserve your rights. If Apple wants to force its customers to take new software by wrongfully withholding services to which they are entitled, then Apple can furnish the new hardware. Probably as part of an exchange program as part of a settlement.

I repeat, do NOT update.

Someone here replied that Apple may withhold services as part of the iOS 6 user agreement. If Apple wants everybody to update to iOS 7, then Apple should just withhold the right to use the telephone app then. Right? No. They know they would never get away with that in court, contractor no contract. They're doing this to test the waters. They think they can get away with this. They are dead wrong.

lmao.

There's nothing to "get away with". Apple patched a security flaw with the SSL certificates that caused FaceTime's SSL cert to expire. It's a bug. Bugs happen with software, it's inevitable. They aren't purposely "withholding services".

Apple doesn't have a gun to your head. You can keep your phone on it's old, vulnerable OS. You can update it to the latest software version to fix the bugs. Or you can buy an Android. But they aren't "forcing" you to do anything. They're simply saying if you want the bug fix, you need to update the software. If this ever went to court (not happening, don't hold your breath), it would be thrown out because Apple already provided the fix. The fix is there, and it's the users' choice if they want to apply the fix or keep the old, broken, vulnerable software.

Apple and the courts don't care if you don't like the icons in the new OS. If it's really that bad, then it's time to buy a droid, because the new UI isn't going anywhere and it will be there whenever you get a new iPhone.

The dramatic hyperboles in your post are over-the-top ridiculous. Funny though.

 

[havit]

Before I do not know about this ,And Now if want to fix facetime,Just only ios6 run to ios7 But it is hard to adapt to the System Interface

 

[Rogifan]

FaceTime is not essential feature? Apple need to make sure FaceTime functional regardless version of OS.. So if there is bug causing phone app stop functioning on iOS 6, then what? Let people choose between useless phone or upgrade to iOS 7?

No one arguing about software update. Everyone is arguing that Apple need makes sure everything works as it intended to. I think that is bear minimum

And if you update to iOS 7 FaceTime will work for you. Devices that aren't eligible for iOS 7 were fixed. And yes people are arguing about the software update. Otherwise they'd update their device and FaceTime would be working.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

lmao.

Put away your tinfoil hat. There's nothing to "get away with". Apple patched a security flaw with the SSL certificates that caused FaceTime's SSL cert to expire. It's a bug. Bugs happen with software, it's inevitable. They aren't purposely "withholding services".

Apple doesn't have a gun to your head. You can keep your phone on it's old, vulnerable OS. You can update it to the latest software version to fix the bugs. Or you can buy an Android. But they aren't "forcing" you to do anything. They're simply saying if you want the bug fix, you need to update the software. If this ever went to court (not happening, don't hold your breath), it would be thrown out because Apple already provided the fix. The fix is there, and it's the users' choice if they want to apply the fix or keep the old, broken, vulnerable software.

Apple and the courts don't care if you don't like the icons in the new OS. If it's really that bad, then it's time to buy a droid, because the new UI isn't going anywhere and it will be there whenever you get a new iPhone.

The dramatic hyperboles in your post are over-the-top ridiculous. Funny though.

Fix the bug then...it is not hard to understand... Issue an free fix for all iOS users who stay iOS 6. FaceTime stop functioning is not users fault, it is entirely Apple's fault. Apple need hold their responsibility for that. People aren't ask me, they just asking their software works as it intended to be

 

[deviant]

Before I do not know about this ,And Now if want to fix facetime,Just only ios6 run to ios7 But it is hard to adapt to the System Interface

it will be harder to adapt to android then

 

[MisakixMikasa]

And if you update to iOS 7 FaceTime will work for you. Devices that aren't eligible for iOS 7 were fixed. And yes people are arguing about the software update. Otherwise they'd update their device and FaceTime would be working.

No... People are arguing fix for FaceTime. People using iOS EXPECT FaceTime works as it intended to, but it is not. Apple need to figure out a way to do it.

 

[Rogifan]

No... People are arguing fix for FaceTime. People using iOS EXPECT FaceTime works as it intended to, but it is not. Apple need to figure out a way to do it.

And apparently Apple is telling you the fix is to update your software. You may not like their answer but that's what it is.

 

[minimo3]

To everyone who says "just update to the latest" I assume you've updated your windows to 8.1? Why would you want to stick with the old outdated icons and menus in Windows 7?

 

[C DM]

Except you don't own the software you license it from Apple and their terms and conditions state that they can make future updates at their discretion.

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ios6.pdf


So iOS 7 capable device owners can stay on iOS 6 but I don't see anywhere where Apple would be legally required to support it.

Just because it's in their terms and conditions doesn't mean it's right or would necessarily actually hold up, especially given all of these recent screw ups on their part.

 

[beltzak]

Apparently I must repeat myself.

As the AppleCare support terms and conditions clearly states:



So, based on the issue at hand, they owe you nothing. iOS 7 fixes the issue, therefore, you cannot harass them to fix older software. PERIOD.

It also states:



Therefore, BEFORE YOU EVEN CALL THEM, you agreed to update to iOS 7. If you don't agree to these terms, too bad. Stop using your device. You originally agreed when you opened the box and turned it on. Stop whining and get over it.

To summarize: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QuAIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVDW0ZnZxjn4&ei=T2tZU7DUJ9HIsASIkoGYAg&usg=AFQjCNFEvDBgxwB2hWusl_LzPZ9OWu7i6A&bvm=bv.65397613,d.cWc

You can repeat the EULA a hundred times and still does not it make it right

Here in Europe this lawsuit is lost for Apple. And I will tell you why, even if you fanboys do not deserve for being so blind at your beloved company. When you buy a product and this product has 6 features, for example like Facetime and the COMPANY SCREWS that feature then it is Apples Fault, and not the Users. The user has no obligation to upgrade, he bougjht a product with Facetime feature and because APPLE CHANGED SOMETHING, that feature is lost.

Whoever says that iPhone4 is perfectly capable of running iOS7.1 perfectly must be a liar or does not know anything about software and hardware. Also could be a fanboy.

And third, all the people who tells people what they should do, like upgrade to iOS7 even if they do not want to, why don"t you tell APPLE TO FIX WHAT IT HAS BROKE?. It is much easier to update and expired certificate than to make 20 millions users update their phones.

Excuse my english. Remember when sony quit Linux support? That was lost also. Same pattern here.

 

[melendezest]

Btw, for everyone purposely staying on iOS 6 because of the design changes what are you going to do when iOS 8 rolls around? And iOS 9? Because Apple's not going backwards. iOS 6 style isn't coming back anytime soon. If it bothers you THAT much perhaps you need to go Android or Windows Phone. I think Apple has bigger things to worry about than the most likely small number users clinging to iOS 6.

Agreed, which is exactly what I and the wife did. Problem solved. Users happy.

In the freedom vs security debate, I'll take freedom every time.

 

[C DM]

And apparently Apple is telling you the fix is to update your software. You may not like their answer but that's what it is.

That's not fixing the problem while leaving everything as it was, that's changing a bunch of stuff that the user doesn't necessarily care for just to get back functionality that was there and should still be working. There's a difference, and a pretty clear one.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

And apparently Apple is telling you the fix is to update your software. You may not like their answer but that's what it is.

Sure... If that is Apple's response, then all I can say is Apple is not being responsible for their own fault. When next time I purchase something, I would seriously consider something else. I hope this whole FaceTime thing won't happen again. If it happens again, I will be sure quit Apple altogether.

Look, completion is rapidly catching up and even exceed Apple in some area. Apple need to know that they are not in monopoly and their decline could be faster and dramatic than Microsoft or Google. They need be more responsible.

 

[zioxide]

This sets a whole new presidence for Apple.
I haven't upgraded to mavericks on my imac because a loss of compatibility of $1000 worth of software. What's next?

Shouldn't you be complaining to the software developer who apparently hasn't updated their apps to make it compatible with the latest software?

What's Apple supposed to do? Never update their software ever again because it might break some third-party apps that the developers are too lazy to update?

BTW some of my clients who use iPhones are forbidden to upgrade to ios7 by their I.T. department.

Yikes, must be some bad IT departments. Probably the same ones still trying to run XP. Many IT departments are notorious for running old and insecure software.

Nothing like someone claiming to be an IT professional encouraging users to NOT upgrade and keep software that's vulnerable to security exploits.

God I miss Steve Jobs! Apple is in decline and has already forgotten his mission and business model that made Apple great.

haha. Must be why they're doing that 7-1 stock split and are the most valuable company on the planet. Apple is doing EXACTLY the same thing it has always done.. moving forward with new technology. This reminds me of all the whining when Apple first ditched the floppy drive. Then Mac OS 9. Then PowerPC. Then the CD drive.

Every time, there's been a small subset of users outraged at Apple pushing the envelope forward and complaining that "Apple's lost it's way". Funniest part about it is this has been Apple's way all along. They've always pushed the envelope to move tech forward faster than most other companies and they've been doing it since they were founded. That IS the Steve Jobs way. This IS the business model that made Apple what it is today.

Fix the bug then...it is not hard to understand... Issue an free fix for all iOS users who stay iOS 6. FaceTime stop functioning is not users fault, it is entirely Apple's fault. Apple need hold their responsibility for that. People aren't ask me, they just asking their software works as it intended to be

They did fix the bug with the new software update. It's not their problem if people don't want to update because they don't like something subjective about it. Their obligation is to provide the newest and most secure software and that's what they are doing.

I don't know how many times it's been posted in this thread, but the software update simply doesn't support updating to software that isn't the newest version. It never did and there's no way to change it now. It is what it is. Complaining about it will never change that fact.

 

[Mechinyun]

IOS 6 is not that old!

At this time last year we were ALL on IOS 6.

For Apple to say a core piece of technology is now unusable because the operating system is LESS than a year old is simply lame.

It really blows my mind how the majority of people are so blindly going along with this here without considering other views or needs is shocking.

 

[scaredpoet]

Yes, Apple does have a problem with getting people to use FaceTime. Nobody uses it.

Really? Then there's no problem. No one needs to upgrade, because no one uses the feature. So there's no need to complain. /thread!

(But of course, we know that NOT to be the case. The fact that people ARE bitching about this, loudly, makes it very clear that FaceTime is used a lot).

 

[havit]

it will be harder to adapt to android then

I agree with it