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Which Apple hopes will get the user to buy a new iDevice. That's why my iPad 3 still runs great on iOS 5. :)
Well, that's your choice of course, but my iPad 3 runs great on iOS 7. I will be buying a new one towards the end of this year, just to get something lighter with a fresh battery, but no-one's forcing me to.
 
Friggin' typical. Stupid apple control freak crap.

And to all the apple apologist wankers who can't comprehend anyone else having a different opinion... How would you feel if you were sold a product and then its features were arbitrarily disabled by the company you bought it from. I bought a phone which worked fine with my computer, spec's were fine (Leopard G4). Now FaceTime is deactivated and I can't upgrade because the iTunes I need doesn't run on this one - not that I want to get iOS 7 on this iPhone 4, but even if I could, I can't. Or if I do it without the computer, I'll no longer be able to sync' - again, arbitrary removal of features which I paid for.

Idiots.
 
My iPhone and iPad both run iOS 7 and I do not dislike it, but when I use my iPod touch that only supports upto iOS 6 I really like the interface, and makes me miss the gloss it has that iOS 7 does not.

Apple could fix this in iOS 8 by introducing skins and having an iOS 6 skin, but cannot see that happening :(
 
Friggin' typical. Stupid apple control freak crap.

And to all the apple apologist wankers who can't comprehend anyone else having a different opinion... How would you feel if you were sold a product and then its features were arbitrarily disabled by the company you bought it from. I bought a phone which worked fine with my computer, spec's were fine (Leopard G4). Now FaceTime is deactivated and I can't upgrade because the iTunes I need doesn't run on this one - not that I want to get iOS 7 on this iPhone 4, but even if I could, I can't. Or if I do it without the computer, I'll no longer be able to sync' - again, arbitrary removal of features which I paid for.

Idiots.

sorry but who are you to say if your g4 works for you. i think apple and drones are better suited for that. :rolleyes:

btw im in a similar boat. dont want to risk updating an old imac running leopard due to big changes in ical in snow leopard and then as you point out the newest itunes dont work so no way to sync contacts and events.

its ridiculous that older windows versions get better itunes support.
 
I disagree. iOS could cure cancer and give reach-arounds for free and people would still be here complaining that it did neither at the right speed....

You're talking about contracts and policies that are in Apple's own personal interest, forced upon people through EULA-style sneakwrap licenses. The people complaining are talking about ethical behavior. If iOS 7 didn't suck so much, there'd be a lot fewer complaints here.
 
This still doesn't explain why for example the speed of the 3GS has been severely reduced under iOS6. The RAM usage didn't increase almost at all.

I'm sorry, are you saying that because there shouldn't have been an increase in RAM swapping on the 3GS under iOS 6 it shouldn't have slowed down?

Are you talking about storage space and not RAM? Don't see how that relates to performance.
 
Honestly, how would Apple even implement this on iOS devices able to run iOS 7? Is the update server just magically going to roll back and ignore the fact that iOS 7.1.1 is available, and allow them to upgrade to iOS 6.1.6?

Even if this was possible, the update checker only checks for the latest version, correct? So if 6.1.6 is linked as the latest version, how are they supposed to update to iOS 7 in the future?
 
Just as they did with the "iOS Updater" application when that was rolled out to iPhone 5 to fix an issue preventing future OTA installs. Apple clearly has the ability to target any subset of devices on any version of iOS they so choose with a robust install system built into the update mechanism. It would actually be very simple to push iOS 6.1.6 to us, they're just choosing not to put out effort. Granted, I'm not complaining, I saw this coming. And whatever, there's nothing I can do about it, I just won't use FaceTime. But this would really be something Apple could solve with a minimal amount of effort.

Hardly. If they roll out an update for iOS 6 devices it would block updates to iOS 7. All updates are rolled out in build order, builds of 7 and dev/beta builds are all newer than the 6 builds. They can roll out updates for hardware which is not capable of running iOS 7 but how do you distinguish between those on say, iPhone 5's ho want to go to ios7 and not 6. They would have to implement some sort of option to choose an os version, then you have numpties choosing the wrong thing, others trying to go back to iOS 6 etc and it causes more issues than it fixes. Best plan is to stay the course and if you don't update then FaceTime is burst, maybe the jailbreak guys can fix it??
 
Friggin' typical. Stupid apple control freak crap.

And to all the apple apologist wankers who can't comprehend anyone else having a different opinion... How would you feel if you were sold a product and then its features were arbitrarily disabled by the company you bought it from. I bought a phone which worked fine with my computer, spec's were fine (Leopard G4). Now FaceTime is deactivated and I can't upgrade because the iTunes I need doesn't run on this one - not that I want to get iOS 7 on this iPhone 4, but even if I could, I can't. Or if I do it without the computer, I'll no longer be able to sync' - again, arbitrary removal of features which I paid for.

Idiots.

I sympathise with that situation, but you are using a machine between 10 and 14 years old. You would have to expect at some point to not be able to rely on support for the latest versions of software. You've come to the end of the upgrade path line for your PowerPC based Mac.

The heart of the problem is that iOS 7 needs a version of iTunes that your desktop tower doesn't support. I don't think anyone needs to try to be an apologist to say that you couldn't expect much more from Apple there. That's 14 years of supporting your machine.
 
If your devices can't be upgraded to iOS 7, chances are it doesn't support FaceTime anyway because there's no front facing cam, or at least this is true for the 3GS. So Apple is pretty much just telling you to update to iOS 7.

On one hand, people should just upgrade. On the other hand, Apple actually killed a functionality that your phone originally came with and you paid for. There could be a class action lawsuit here.

If users CAN update apple isn't the one killing the functionality - they have provided user with a fix.
 
iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

How? My girlfriend has gone through at least 2 4s's and numerous DFU restores trying to find a way to get iOS 7 to run well. She's still having issues with basic features like the email client "forgetting" her accounts, and the settings app crashing.


That's because it's an iPhone 4s. Don't expect the same performance from it as the iPhone 5s
 
Come on. iOS 6 is just little close to 2 years old OS. I do not think it is ethically for any computer to just cut part of services and not notify the users before hand.

I never said they should or that it was ethical to no inform the user. In fact I said that they should have notified users.
 
If your devices can't be upgraded to iOS 7, chances are it doesn't support FaceTime anyway because there's no front facing cam, or at least this is true for the 3GS. So Apple is pretty much just telling you to update to iOS 7.
 
7 is less than a year old. Its a bit soon to drop support for those that prefer to stay with 6 for the time being and are FaceTime users. If this were 2015 or 2016 it might be different, but its not.

This is an Apple mistake and they should find a way to fix it. The obvious ways are a dual update selection for those with 6, or even a download to be applied manually.

For me, it doesn't matter as I use 7 and rarely FaceTime. For others I know, thats not the case.
 
I'm sorry, are you saying that because there shouldn't have been an increase in RAM swapping on the 3GS under iOS 6 it shouldn't have slowed down?

Are you talking about storage space and not RAM? Don't see how that relates to performance.

The 3GS is far slower on iOS6 than it was under iOS4/5. As the RAM usage hasn't significantly increased (that is, the OS itself can't really bog down the 3GS), this may be directly related to either Apple neglecting the model or, even worse, playing the usual "let's make it uselessly slow so that our users upgrade their hardware" card. As usual - they've done the same several times (remember the iPhone 3G's dismal performance on iOS4? It was perfectly usable on iOS3.).
 
What's next Apple? Disabling protected AAC from playing on any ios or osx that more than two versions old?
And no, I can't download a newer unprotected version of some of my songs and audiobooks because the store no longer carries them. And no I won't burn them to cd and reimport them because you'll loose audio quality; they're already a low 128 bit rate now; or the books will span four or five CDs.
 
And I repeat that no features have been refused to you. It is you the user who actively choose to gimp your device when the manufacturer has provided you with a completely free and simple to apply fix to restore your devices functionality while you insist on on using software with known security issues. :eek:

Look I have and iPhone 5 so I am not in iOS6 but my opinion is whith those who do not want to update.

Yesterday there was Facetime in iOS6, today is not working and I haven't change anything. Who broke Facetime?¿ Any clues? ;P

Come on, Apple fix some things and broke Facetime in iOS 6 and ask everybody to upgrade to IOS 7. Really ? The most advanced company in software can't solve this, right? It is a shame and I support everybody who does not want iOS7, even if for me or you is the best choice.

For example, my mother would be better with her iPhone4 in iOS6, the flat design does not help her.

Some people are arguing about security bugs and holes, well if there is already 80% of people using iOS7, I am pretty sure hackers have already move to iOS7 as it is know that they would target much more devices than iOS 6. Maybe they exploit both of them but who knows, maybe they don't even care for iOS6 now.
 
It amazes me that you don't see that all your comments apply to you too...

Anonymous posters on internet forums like to pretend that what they have to say is important and and is therefore clearly better than what any others can decide for themselves.
 
Hmm, well good thing it's only FaceTime. For those who aren't really users of FaceTime, it's ok. But if you do use FaceTime... then well... you're screwed :(
Except that Apple have given you a free solution that fixes the problem. That's certainly not my definition of "screwed".
 
ITT a load of people who complain about something not being fixed, when it already is fixed.

It's simple the certificate expired because of a security flaw the way to you fix a security flaw will usually stop older software that does not make use of the key from working.

Think about it you share a flat with 5 people one person loses that key, but they had the address written on the key fob, so the flat is no longer secure. you change the lock and offer everyone in the flat a new key for free to carry on accessing the flat.

people bitching about FaceTime not working on old software is the housemate who decides they'll just ring the bell to get in because they don't want to change their key because they don't like the shape. AND omg its a silver key they like the look of their brass key, and couldn't possibly make use of or enjoy the benefits of the new key.

F*cktards

Using your example, this is more like moving to a new house because you lost the key. The fix in your example would be analogous to fixing the security flaw only and leaving everything else the way it currently is.
 
Did iOS 6 users think that, if they held out, they'd get the old UI back?

Just accept the change and live with it. Devices still work in the same way, just they look different.
 
If apple is going to make us upgrade to ios7 then stop disabling features for older devices. Like seri, airdrop (over wifi), stabilization and more.
 
I never thought I would see the day where there would be so many Apple fans arguing amongst themselves.

Over the years it appears Apple has drilled into so many peoples heads that "Choice is bad"

Well choice isnt bad. If everyone in the world liked the same thing, it would be a pretty boring world.

Some people like ios 7 and its new looks and features, some people prefer ios 6 and its original look. Why cant people just accept that rather then having to be rude, abusive and insulting towards each other.

Its 2014, 7 years since the original iPhone and Apple still dosent give people the choice to customise how YOUR phone looks.
 
You have a bad sense of design if you think that iOS 6, with its antiquated mismatched colors, looks nicer than iOS 7. Anyway, I don't have to deal with this problem very much since I upgraded to iOS 7 on my iOS device.

...see how that works?

Actually I don't give a damn about what you think or your opinion of someone else's opinion of design. Just making a point.

You have a bad sense of design if you think that iOS 7, with its blatantly mismatched colors, looks nicer than iOS 6. Anyway, I don't have to deal with this problem very much since I installed an iOS 6 theme on my iOS 7 device.
 
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