iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

[nocturnum]

Actually, if they could put "Color Saturation/Vibrance" setting under "Wallpaper & Brightness", iOS 7 could become quite chewable. You know, like a mayo to a bad meal.

One does wonder though ... perhaps what Jonathan Ive needs is a bit of color calibration on himself, especially when approving such toxic color schemes (I feel no need to start on the iStock icon sets that somehow found their way to Cupertino).

 

[MacVista]

In that case I wouldn't upgrade either. Well, do you use FaceTime often?

Not too often, but I do use it.
iOS7 is hard for me to see, so while waiting for the larger iPhones, I must stick to iOS6.

 

[deviant]

This has nothing to do with a "visual change of iOS 7".

It has everything to do with iOS 7 being horrendously slow on iPhone 4 hardware, being slow and constantly crashing on iPhone 4S, and just being buggy for all devices. Just seeing how fluid windows phone 8.1 is on a 60$ Nokia 520 makes me cringe.


As per usability, the last thing I want to do is explain to my uncle things like "swipe from the bottom, twice, after you see that tiny triangle while watching a video and then wait for the airplay button to appear". Some things that used to take 3 button clicks are now 5.

Apple just forced all users with older hardware to upgrade.

it is not, by any means slow or crashes on 4S. and if you disable the pretty animations it's even faster than that, although 7.1 introduced much faster animations and it works almost flawlessly. you can't expect an almost 3 years old phone perform the same with 2 major upgrades. it has an a5 chip. we're at a7 now. Does this really needs to be explained? It's a LITTLE slower, but it's very, very, very much usable and a pleasure to use. Is my 2007 iMac slower with mavericks than my MBA 2012? OF COURSE IT IS, but having an ssd in both, the iMac is very, very usable and it's pretty fast i'd say. Not AS fast, but still fast.

 

[MacSince'85]

There are indeed others like you out there

Friggin' typical. Stupid apple control freak crap.

And to all the apple apologist wankers who can't comprehend anyone else having a different opinion... How would you feel if you were sold a product and then its features were arbitrarily disabled by the company you bought it from. I bought a phone which worked fine with my computer, spec's were fine (Leopard G4). Now FaceTime is deactivated and I can't upgrade because the iTunes I need doesn't run on this one - not that I want to get iOS 7 on this iPhone 4, but even if I could, I can't. Or if I do it without the computer, I'll no longer be able to sync' - again, arbitrary removal of features which I paid for.

Idiots.

Same boat we are in with our G5 and iPod Touch 4G.

 

[SusanK]

When was the last time you saw people lined up outside an Apple Store?

The last time it happened here people came to pay tribute to Steve. Spontaneous memorials were built by Apple customers at the three area Apple stores.

Bottom line. Innovation died with Steve. Apple must obsolete hardware quickly to sell more. No other way to move product.

I'm not defending this practice. Just saying it's Cook's only shot. Apple wants numbers. Customers are incidental.

 

[diegogaja]

Don't they have to actually ENABLE something first before it's actually disabled?

Based on my recollection, Siri was never made available on the 4, no?

iPhone 4.

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Just out of curiosity...what's wrong with the wallpapers color etc that you couldn't fix yourself manually?

Actually, if they could put "Color Saturation/Vibrance" setting under "Wallpaper & Brightness", iOS 7 could become quite chewable. You know, like a mayo to a bad meal.

One does wonder though ... perhaps what Jonathan Ive needs is a bit of color calibration on himself, especially when approving such toxic color schemes (I feel no need to start on the iStock icon sets that somehow found their way to Cupertino).

 

[Paradoxally]

This is disgraceful and if I was a big user of FaceTime (gladly not, Skype is way better even with Microsoft) I would be very pissed. iOS 7 is a disappointing OS and I don't want it on my phone.

If they don't make the iPhone 6 compelling enough to upgrade, I'm heading to Android. HTC M8 gets more appealing by the day.

 

[diegogaja]

People lined up here in every apple store for the 5S.

Innovation didn't disappear. Apple has never been on the habit of groundbreaking releases annually so your statements while reflecting your opinion, don't correctly reflect reality.

With the recent earnings call, I don't see apple as having any serious issues for the near future.

When was the last time you saw people lined up outside an Apple Store?

The last time it happened here people came to pay tribute to Steve. Spontaneous memorials were built by Apple customers at the three area Apple stores.

Bottom line. Innovation died with Steve. Apple must obsolete hardware quickly to sell more. No other way to move product.

I'm not defending this practice. Just saying it's Cook's only shot. Apple wants numbers. Customers are incidental.

 

[thekeyring]

When was the last time you saw people lined up outside an Apple Store?

The last time it happened here people came to pay tribute to Steve. Spontaneous memorials were built by Apple customers at the three area Apple stores.

Bottom line. Innovation died with Steve. Apple must obsolete hardware quickly to sell more. No other way to move product.

I'm not defending this practice. Just saying it's Cook's only shot. Apple wants numbers. Customers are incidental.

You must be trolling. New store openings, new iPhone launches both get people lining up outside Apple stores.

Saying innovation died with Steve is an insult to everyone else at the company. You must, at least, have some faith in Jony Ive.

 

[Paradoxally]

You must be trolling. New store openings, new iPhone launches both get people lining up outside Apple stores.

Saying innovation died with Steve is an insult to everyone else at the company. You must, at least, have some faith in Jony Ive.

I'll have faith in him when he stops designing software.

 

[scaredpoet]

I repeat, features of a product cannot go away.

They can, and they do, and not just on Apple products. But fortunately, this isn't an issue of a feature going away for good. You can update your software and regain the feature.

Again, a product I bougjt with X features must maintain such features all it"s life until it dies.

I thought that this was already known.

It's not known, because it's not true, and absolutely never guaranteed when a service requires infrastructure outside of your local hardware to function. FaceTime and anything iCloud happens to be such a case: if Apple for any reason decides to end the service, or even if it deliberately chooses to discontinue supporting older hardware, or if they happen to go out of business tomorrow, then that's that. A lot of iOS features will stop working, and the functionality of your device will be greatly reduced.

And again, Apple is not the only one. Try getting an old 1980s cellular phone to work on today's cell networks. Spoiler: it won't. There were lots of videophiles who bought into the notion of DIVX as a home video rental format. Those discs are now useless.

There are lots of examples where produts that rely on services to function have stopped working even though the hardware is perfectly fine. T-Mobile's sidekick, the Helio Ocean, and Microsoft Kin are all products that don't fit your ideal of the features lasting forever. there are many more out there, and the list will continue to grow.

Even on a more basic level, this is a problem. Your computer and iDevices all rely on your ISP and cell carriers agreeing to support your device with specific standards. If they choose to go with different technology (and they will, eventually) those devices WILL lose access to the internet. Film cameras may still exist 30 years from now, but there's no guarantee that there will still be film to take pictures with. Someday, maybe decades from now, the car you drive may no longer work even if you manage to maintain it in pristine condition, all because we've run out of fossil fuel.

Fortunately though, this isn't one of those cases. Update your OS, and FaceTime comes back.

 

[Paradoxally]

There were lots of videophiles who bought into the notion of DIVX as a home video rental format. Those discs are now useless.

There are lots of examples where produts that rely on services to function have stopped working even though the hardware is perfectly fine. T-Mobile's sidekick, the Helio Ocean, and Microsoft Kin are all products that don't fit your ideal of the features lasting forever.

Fortunately though, this isn't one of those cases. Update your OS, and FaceTime comes back.

Those were ALL terrible products. iOS 6 was a stellar OS. Sure, it was visually outdated and had a ton of (bad) skeumorphic cues, but it ran a hell of a lot better than ANY device running iOS 7 atm (an iPhone 5 on 6 will smoke any 5S on 7).

 

[MyopicPaideia]

The 3GS is far slower on iOS6 than it was under iOS4/5. As the RAM usage hasn't significantly increased (that is, the OS itself can't really bog down the 3GS), this may be directly related to either Apple neglecting the model or, even worse, playing the usual "let's make it uselessly slow so that our users upgrade their hardware" card. As usual - they've done the same several times (remember the iPhone 3G's dismal performance on iOS4? It was perfectly usable on iOS3.).

You sound like you are very knowledgable about how a computer works and the reasons why an updated OS might be slower on the same hardware than its predecessor.

I think it might have more to do with the phone's slower CPU, GPU, and logic board than the size of the RAM footprint. The idea that Apple purposely puts code in new software updates aimed at making older devices slower is simply ludicrous. In fact, the opposite is true. Apple goes to great lengths to ensure that the newer software runs acceptably on as many devices as possible and has a track record of being by far the number 1 mobile manufacturer for supporting older devices.

 

[newyorksole]

This is disgraceful and if I was a big user of FaceTime (gladly not, Skype is way better even with Microsoft) I would be very pissed. iOS 7 is a disappointing OS and I don't want it on my phone.

If they don't make the iPhone 6 compelling enough to upgrade, I'm heading to Android. HTC M8 gets more appealing by the day.

how is iOS 7 disappointing? just curious on what exactly you don't like...

 

[Rogifan]

When was the last time you saw people lined up outside an Apple Store?

The last time it happened here people came to pay tribute to Steve. Spontaneous memorials were built by Apple customers at the three area Apple stores.

Bottom line. Innovation died with Steve. Apple must obsolete hardware quickly to sell more. No other way to move product.

I'm not defending this practice. Just saying it's Cook's only shot. Apple wants numbers. Customers are incidental.

And when people do line up outside Apple stores they get labeled "sheep" by some people here. In fact Samsung produced a whole ad campaign around mocking customers lining up outside Apple stores. If Cook wanted to obsolete hardware Apple wouldn't have fixed the issues with 1st gen Apple TV, or provided software patches to devices that can't run iOS 7. Or made Mavericks available for free to some Macs going all the way back to 2007. This isn't about obsoleting hardware as plenty of older devices are running iOS 7 just fine. My mother runs it on a 1st gen iPad mini with no issues whatsoever.

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I'll have faith in him when he stops designing software.

Well software designers are now reporting directly to him on the org chart so you'll be waiting a while to get that faith back. You can wish for Cook to demote him back to hardware but you'll be wishing a long time. The lasts AppStore stats show 87% of devices accessing the store running iOS 7. In the past two quarters Apple reported record iPhone sales (nearly 96M in total) and all these new devices are running iOS 7. On what basis does Cook remove Ive from software?

 

[thekeyring]

I'll have faith in him when he stops designing software.

So his hardware designs are worthless because of a UI that you don't like?

What about everyone else who likes iOS 7? Or things which are undeniably better, like the new multitasking interface?

 

[leroypants]

Dear Apple....#$!@ YOU!

 

[bawbac]

This. There are in fact no damages because there is a simple and free solution. The issue only affects devices capable of upgrading to 7.x.x which can do so hassle free and cost free. Are people going to claim psychological pain and suffering do to making a conscious and free will choice not to upgrade? Is the premise going to be one of "I was forced to upgrade under duress?" Get a grip people, just upgrade and move on with your lives.



Again, this. I have 2 iPad 2's and an iPhone 4S running 7.1.1 and they all do it wonderfully, I know because I also have an iPad mini retina and an iPad Air as well as an iPhone 5 to compare them to. Is it as "snappy" on the older hardware? No, but everything runs very well, especially after 7.1, and considering they are getting on 3 years old, it is pretty easy appreciate running the latest and greatest on those devices without a hitch.

Never seen so much passion and defending of Apple's shady support practices.

It's like buying a sports car and they discover an issue with the gas pedal 2 years later.
They say you need the new SW to fix the issue.
So you install it and now your car accelerates 0-60 3 seconds slower because someone screwed with the engine management without considering impacts of other important aspects of the car.
So now the guy with the sports car can be beat by a Prius in a 0-60 comparison.
I guess that's fair as along as his gas pedal was fixed...

 

[Rogifan]

iPhone 4.

When was the iPhone 4 officially ever able to run Siri? How could Apple disable something that never existed on that device?

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After watching the zealots defend Apple purposely stopping FaceTime from working on IOS 6 I now know why it's called the "Cult of Apple". Jim Jones would be jealous of the devotion and absolute unquestioning loyalty that people have to Apple.

Seems more like the cult of Steve Jobs than Apple.

 

[bawbac]

Saying innovation died with Steve is an insult to everyone else at the company. You must, at least, have some faith in Jony Ive.

What did Jony do that was innovative when Steve was gone in the 80/90's?

 

[Jason in KC]

Just stand your ground. Do NOT update to ios 7.

Apple can add services but cannot take them away. There will be a class action and the customers will win. Probably won't take long for facetime to be restored to ios 6 because Apple will fold.

Apple losing $350M in a patent suit over facetime is NOT its customers' faults. It's going to learn that the hard way if it wants to.

Tim Cook is the typical uncreative American executive. All bottom line. Can't agree with SusanK better.

 

[Dave.UK]

Don't they have to actually ENABLE something first before it's actually disabled?

Based on my recollection, Siri was never made available on the 4, no?

When was the iPhone 4 officially ever able to run Siri? How could Apple disable something that never existed on that device?

Siri was an app for the iPhone 4. Then Apple purchased the company, pulled the app and only made it available for the iPhone 4S. They then used the excuse that the iphone 4 wouldnt be able to run Siri - despite it originally being an app running on the iphone 4.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/th...ets-pulled-from-the-app-store-servers-killed/

 

[SusanK]

People lined up here in every apple store for the 5S.

Innovation didn't disappear. Apple has never been on the habit of groundbreaking releases annually so your statements while reflecting your opinion, don't correctly reflect reality.

With the recent earnings call, I don't see apple as having any serious issues for the near future.

Does anyone expect a groundbreaking product each year?

No lines here at Apple Store since the Steve's death. Sorry. Actually, you could roll a bowling ball in the store nearest me and not incur a liability. Interestingly enough when I have visited I was greeted with the comment that the store was very busy. If it was I would have seen a lot of people.

Previously at Apple you had to breathe up and down instead of in and out. Now there are a few people. The "very busy" comment is the standard greeting.

 

[Rogifan]

Just stand your ground. Do NOT update to ios 7.

Apple can add services but cannot take them away. There will be a class action and the customers will win. Probably won't take long for facetime to be restored to ios 6 because Apple will fold.

Apple losing $350M in a patent suit over facetime is NOT its customers' faults. It's going to learn that the hard way if it wants to.

Tim Cook is the typical uncreative American executive. All bottom line. Can't agree with SusanK better.

So where is this class action going to come from? Did you file a lawsuit against Apple? And on what basis will it be supported since Apple's terms and conditions clearly state they have the right to change software at their discretion?

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Siri was an app for the iPhone 4. Then Apple purchased the company, pulled the app and only made it available for the iPhone 4S. They then used the excuse that the iphone 4 wouldnt be able to run Siri - despite it originally being an app running on the iphone 4.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/th...ets-pulled-from-the-app-store-servers-killed/

My bad, did not know it was available on the App Store. Considering the time frame I would imagine that was something approved by Steve Jobs. Unless the Jobs apologists claim he was too sick to know what he was approving.

 

[SusanK]

You must be trolling. New store openings, new iPhone launches both get people lining up outside Apple stores.

Saying innovation died with Steve is an insult to everyone else at the company. You must, at least, have some faith in Jony Ive.

Why is a person accused of trolling if they don't pledge allegiance to Apple? Many of us are long time Apple customers who no longer consider Apple the go to.

Ive designed beautiful hardware for many years.