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And how does the UI of let's say OS X Pages translate on a touchscreen only device ? How does the UI of iOS Pages translate on a mouse/keyboard device ?

Does this mean windows on the iPhone ? Or always fullscreen apps on the iMac ? (or fixed size apps windows ?). Bigger button for everything on iPad and iMac ? How does the system manage having multiple apps opened at once. Make sense on a laptop with good specs and good battery life, that can even be plugged in if the need be, but on an iPhone or an iPad ? Etc. Etc.

In real use, keyboard and mouse/trackpad is a totally different beast than touchscreen with fingers. It need totally different UI and power management considerations. They are different usage that will need in the end different OS.

iPad is such a success because it not only OS X with a touchscreen keyboard above it.

How does App UI translate from the iPhone to the iPad?
(Hint: There are version for each ;) )

You obviously don't get what I am saying.
 
This makes me even more excited!

I hope all the rumors are wrong because, frankly, all the rumors bore me. If all they have is iRadio and a flatter UI then I am going to be disappointed.
 
Apple already out-does Google on UI design. From what it sounds like they will get their act together on the services end too. I think we will be pleased with what we see.

lol no ... ill never get an android for the fact alone that i hate its update cycle but the ui of their apps is so much better and with the time while the iphone calender and mail apps look like a retro toy from 2007 by now.

im no longer even using Safari nor mail etc on my iPad / iPhone but instead replaced them with its google and other 3rd party counterparts.

praying ill see some new, updated and fresher looking apps tmrw


Yes, why is that so astonishing? Apple is known for great user interfaces. Apple did a better YouTube app 5 years ago than Google did 6 months ago. Maps might be more accurate with Google, but the UI is not even close to being as nice as Apple's. What Google app has a better UI than its comparable Apple app? I honestly can't think of one.

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For Apple to keep many happy I suspect 2 versions of 7.
They need to make the mainstream comfortable with what they know and love in the OS's simplicity.

Yet the technical people need some tweak induced rush, so it may be possible we see another version on steroids.

Of course, I am not analyst so this could be complete fud.

So a company that eats, drinks and sleeps simplicity is going to provide 2 versions of iOS because Ive & Co. don't know how to make something that is full featured but also simple to use? Or the mainstream isn't interested in having quicker access to things like wifi and Bluetooth? :confused:
 
what're you on about? Gruber gets, now and then, little tidbits of information from people at Apple, and he's far more reliable than anybody else out there. As far as I can remember, none of his little Apple "leaks" have ever been wrong.

He moderates the information he gets very tightly, and isn't loud about it. As a result, his "leaks" are often more subtle nods and winks than the usual APPEL WILL LANUCH FLAT IRADIO THIS WEEKNED you're used to from sites like 9to5 Mac and MacRumors.

With regards to what "leaks" in particular are "wrong" (a "flat" iOS?, MacBook Air announcements?), we may never know. And I doubt Gruber knows either, which is why he chose to only offhandedly mention the tip he got from Apple.

Let me be clear on this: if he knows nothing, he should just keep quiet instead of fishing for Daring Fireball website hits.

I am tired of these so-called "pundits" who know as much as any of us do, yet keep trying to surround themselves in an aura of "holier than thou" knowledge just because they are friends with one or two Apple employees.

Whatever he said means nothing and cannot be proven either way...in other words, as relevant as any other rumor expressed in this thread.
 
The problem becomes what happens after 10.9.

Do they dare break the rules and call it 10.10, 10.11, etc.

Or do they simply go OS XI, and start with 11.0, 11.1, etc.

There's no problem with 10.10. That's not a decimal point, it's just a dot separating two numbers. If it were a decimal point, what would you make of 10.8.4? How about the current version of Chrome which is 27.0.1453.110?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning#Separating_sequences
 
Yes, why is that so astonishing? Apple is known for great user interfaces. Apple did a better YouTube app 5 years ago than Google did 6 months ago. Maps might be more accurate with Google, but the UI is not even close to being as nice as Apple's. What Google app has a better UI than its comparable Apple app? I honestly can't think of one.

How was Apple's old YouTube app better than what we have now? And yeah I think something like Google Now is loads better than any Apple app.
 
Yes, why is that so astonishing? Apple is known for great user interfaces. Apple did a better YouTube app 5 years ago than Google did 6 months ago. Maps might be more accurate with Google, but the UI is not even close to being as nice as Apple's. What Google app has a better UI than its comparable Apple app? I honestly can't think of one.
I'm actually having a hard time determining whether this was complete sarcasm or an insane fantasy world you live in. You mean to tell me the YouTube app that Apple made, the one that had almost zero functionality, is better than the latest app from Google? Have you even tried the latest one? Good luck having a single person agree with you on this one because I'd assume even the biggest Apple fanboys would have a hard time saying that.
 
Little that he says is reliable - moreover, to say that "everything is wrong" does little to moderate expectations.

Usually his comments are things like "yep" and "nope" when referring to specific rumors. He's been pretty accurate in that regard. I think he gave the "nope" treatment to the "iPhone 5 will have NFC" rumor that was getting significant traction last year.
 
Let me be clear on this: if he knows nothing, he should just keep quiet instead of fishing for Daring Fireball website hits.

I am tired of these so-called "pundits" who know as much as any of us do, yet keep trying to surround themselves in an aura of "holier than thou" knowledge just because they are friends with one or two Apple employees.

Whatever he said means nothing and cannot be proven either way...in other words, as relevant as any other rumor expressed in this thread.
Gruber didn't post an article about this on his blog. I heard it because I'm subscribed to his podcast. He literally spent less than a minute talking about it. He certanly wasn't trying to pass it off as him knowing something no one else does.

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He is perfectly right.
Google has some of the worst ui developers existing.

U trolling bro?
 
How does App UI translate from the iPhone to the iPad?
(Hint: There are version for each ;) )

You obviously don't get what I am saying.

Yes, but their UI use the same basic standards. They get tweaked for iPad, but it's nothing as drastic as the difference with desktop.

Take the iWork suite for example. Of course they tweak each app for either iPad or iPhone screen size to be optimal, but apart from that tweaking, their basic "functionnality" and everything under the hood remain the same because the devices share some fundamental ressemblance hardware wise and in the way we use them.

Also, the point is not only to have app that "work" on every devices, you want apps that are "optimal" to every devices. Mac are great because Pages app for example try to be optimal considering the hardware and interface devices you have on a Desktop/notebook computer. If you simply took the "logic" of Pages for iOS and just tweaked it to work in a windows with maybe a bit smaller buttons, it would be usable, it would work, but really it wouldn't be optimal, it wouldn't be a truly great product to use.

Apple are great and are different from MS in part because they don't do these "half-ass" products, they don't normally ship product that are merely "ok and functionnal".
 
I would imagine though if they were using him to lower expectations he would have blogged about this or tweeted it or spent more time talking about it on his podcast. I got the feeling he was bemused by the comment and is genuinely in the dark about what will be shown tomorrow.

Perhaps all he was told was that "Rumor X is wrong" with no other details such as why it's wrong and what will be introduced instead. There's not much else to say about that. Anyway, people complained about all the leaks and mocked Tim Cook for saying that he had "doubled down" on leaks after the iPhone 5 details leaked out. Now it seems like maybe he was serious and they really have tightened the clamps.
 
Yes, but their UI use the same basic standards. They get tweaked for iPad, but it's nothing as drastic as the difference with desktop.

Take the iWork suite for example. Of course they tweak each app for either iPad or iPhone screen size to be optimal, but apart from that tweaking, their basic "functionnality" and everything under the hood remain the same because the devices share some fundamental ressemblance hardware wise and in the way we use them.

Also, the point is not only to have app that "work" on every devices, you want apps that are "optimal" to every devices. Mac are great because Pages app for example try to be optimal considering the hardware and interface devices you have on a Desktop/notebook computer. If you simply took the "logic" of Pages for iOS and just tweaked it to work in a windows with maybe a bit smaller buttons, it would be usable, it would work, but really it wouldn't be optimal, it wouldn't be a truly great product to use.

Apple are great and are different from MS in part because they don't do these "half-ass" products, they don't normally ship product that are merely "ok and functionnal".

And none of that has to do with merging of iOS and OSX.

And FTY the UI standards *should* be the same across iOS and OSX but that doesn't mean Springboard of Finder should be identical.

There is much more to an OS than Springboard or finder.
 
Let me be clear on this: if he knows nothing, he should just keep quiet instead of fishing for Daring Fireball website hits.

I am tired of these so-called "pundits" who know as much as any of us do, yet keep trying to surround themselves in an aura of "holier than thou" knowledge just because they are friends with one or two Apple employees.

Whatever he said means nothing and cannot be proven either way...in other words, as relevant as any other rumor expressed in this thread.

Gruber has earned to say what ever he pleases. Right or wrong he gets Apple better than anyone who writes about Apple. Gruber and Jim Dalrymple are the best at what they do.
Also he didn't post this on Macrumors, Eric Slivka did.
 
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I think leaks=rumors. Im reading this as ios7 wont be so flat and different after all. Apple proberbly wont change it to much. They never do. Anyone remember a complete redesign ios or mac os?
 
Perhaps all he was told was that "Rumor X is wrong" with no other details such as why it's wrong and what will be introduced instead. There's not much else to say about that. Anyway, people complained about all the leaks and mocked Tim Cook for saying that he had "doubled down" on leaks after the iPhone 5 details leaked out. Now it seems like maybe he was serious and they really have tightened the clamps.

Yeah didnt sound like he was told much. I didn't get the impression he was holding anything back. Even Jim Dalrymple seems to be in the dark. I think Cook & Co. were pissed with all the leaks last year and this year are making sure the contents of these keynotes aren't known before they start.
 
I'm actually having a hard time determining whether this was complete sarcasm or an insane fantasy world you live in. You mean to tell me the YouTube app that Apple made, the one that had almost zero functionality, is better than the latest app from Google? Have you even tried the latest one? Good luck having a single person agree with you on this one because I'd assume even the biggest Apple fanboys would have a hard time saying that.

I would rather the google app any day of the week!!!
 
How was Apple's old YouTube app better than what we have now? And yeah I think something like Google Now is loads better than any Apple app.

I'm not sure how anyone can say the new youtube is better now with all those ads? I don't use youtube that often anymore since they started those stupid pre-video ads. In the future they will remove the option to skip.
 
U trolling bro?

Is he wrong for having an opinion? When I looked at how clocks look on Android, the only thing that came up to my mind was that they were lazy but pretending not to be by making it flat. I, for one, do not want all skeuomorphic elements to be eliminated, that's the other side of the extreme.
 
LOL. The Android/Samsung troll-zombies are so easy to spot too. They mindlessly
copy / paste buzzwords and "hot button" phrases from a list and mash them up into a "comment."

Speaking of which, I think we should add "true multitasking" (etc.) to the "hot button" phrase list.
Let's do an experiment tomorrow: we'll count the number of times that Android/Samsung trolls
post comments with the following phrases, and see which is the most popular:

- "Memory card"
- "Removable battery"
- "True multitasking"
- "Super AMOLED"
- "Five inch screen" and/or "Big screen"
- "Market share"
- "GHz CPU" / "GB RAM"

(My guess is that "Five inch screen" / "Big screen" will be #1 with "True multitasking"
a distant #2.)

And let's not forget those tired old single-word cliches that are completely irrelevant
in the current Samsung-only Android universe:

- "Open"
- "Free"
- "Choice"

(Because of Samsung's total and complete dominance over all other Android hardware makers, it's
possible that these words won't appear in too many paid troll comments. But the amateur trolls,
the ideologically challenged zealots who rail against Apple without being paid a single red cent,
will probably stick to the tired old irrelevant and obsolete "Open" "Free" yadda yadda.)

Also, just for our own amusement, here is a list of words and phrases that Android/Samsung trolls
will post zero times in the comments here tomorrow:

- "Android 4.3"
- "Malware"
- "Tizen" / "Bada"
- "HTC" / "LG" / "Blackberry" / "Windows Phone"
- "Battery life"
- "Plastic"

Why not? Because their Android/Samsung bosses told them not to.
Samsung doesn't like even mentioning the word "Android" any more.
Because they don't need to. The word "Android" has no marketing value add.

Finally, let's not forget poor old Andy Rubin's definition of "open." And let's also remember
that he was either kicked out of the Android group or got sick of it and asked for a transfer.
Andy's definition of "open" won't appear here tomorrow either. Just for posterity, here it is:



Show the above to your average Android phone user and they'll run away screaming.

Oh, and sorry but I won't be able to personally do any counting all day Monday.
I'll be at #AltWWDC, right around the corner from WWDC.

Your sir have my atmost respect. And here is my like although you deserve more of them
 
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