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iOS 7 Running Behind, Rumored to Have Significant Visual Makeover

starbird said:
If they made iOS more like OS X, this could be considered a major oberhaul. Something as simple as a Dashboard screen (taken from Mac OS X) and some "flattening" and you have it. I think that is all most people want.

See my rough concept. (Ok, EXTREMELY rough, but you get the idea)
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That looks like a Spamdroid mishmash of visual junk. No thanks.
 
What I hope to see in iOS 7 is a faster OS feature rich, that basically will stop all those android fans from blabbering about their feature rich operating system. I have faith in Ive's ability to create a new design for the OS that will not mimic other companies' OS's, This is Apple's chance to prove that they are a leading company in terms of innovation and software, and if it requires to pull a couple engineers from Mac OS dev team to achieve that in iOS so be it
 
Apple's focus shifted from desktops to mobile devices quite a few years ago but their inattention to the MacPro and OSX (e.g. bug fixing) might force me to move to Linux or even Windows. I'm tired of Apple's BS.
 
As a fan of Forstall's work (most of it, not all) this news makes me nervous. A UI update in some areas is overdue however, so a part of me is cautiously optimistic for iOS 7.
 
I don't have good experience with hardware people managing software development. I hope Ive can do something really spectacular, but I won't hold my breath.
 
locust76 said:
All signs point to Steve Jobs having left Apple with a long-term product roadmap and that we won't see post-Jobs products this year.
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You make it sound like it was Steve's roadmap and he just handed it to Tim before he died. I'm sure everyone on the executive team was/is involved in long term product roadmaps. And components of those roadmaps can and probably do change quite frequently.
 
It would be great if there was some way of confirming whether it's true or not. Guess we'll just have to wait.
 
Shaun said:
Having worked for UK, US and Japanese IT firms over the years I think this is a particularly US centric problem. When I worked for the Japanese IT firm I was asked to provide products plans over 3, 5 and 10 years because they valued long term development. When I worked for the US IT firms I was rarely if ever asked to look past the next quarter or at most the next 12-18 months because their entire focus was on quarterly earnings. Nothing else mattered.
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Apple has never cared for this quarter's quarterly earnings. When the first iMac was released, Steve Jobs may have had some ideas how it would effect quarterly earnings ten years later :D

With these 3, 5 and 10 year IT plans, I can believe that someone makes these plans. But I would be sure that after twelve months, they make new 3, 5 and 10 year IT plans, because reality has changed. Imagine RIM had created a 10 year plan in 2006. The word "iPhone" wouldn't be in that plan. You wouldn't think they would wait until 2016 until they react to the iPhone? (Oh my god. That's what they actually do :eek: )

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guineapig said:
Except I'm not sure SJ would have wanted Forstall out of Apple, even though Ive was SJ's soulmate.
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If Steve Jobs had been there, his soulmate Forstall would have got a leaving party. Since Steve Jobs wasn't there, he didn't get that. That's the only difference.
 
Medic311 said:
yeah that's what i was thinking. this company is sitting on so much cash - they could double their iOS development team and it wouldn't even make a scratch in the scheme of things profits wise
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"Just add people" is rarely a recipe for success, certainly in software development. In fact, it often leads to delays and a less successful project. Unfortunately, it doesn't scale like ramping up more people to make an iPhone, for example, where it's just more people doing the same thing.
 
Shaun said:
Tim Cook's apparent inability to manage Apple's product roadmap worries me. It seems every new product or update is dogged with delays for whatever reason. He needs to forget the stock market and focus on a more achievable product cycle.

Having worked for UK, US and Japanese IT firms over the years I think this is a particularly US centric problem. When I worked for the Japanese IT firm I was asked to provide products plans over 3, 5 and 10 years because they valued long term development. When I worked for the US IT firms I was rarely if ever asked to look past the next quarter or at most the next 12-18 months because their entire focus was on quarterly earnings. Nothing else mattered.

I see the same apparent issues in Apple today. Forget about the share price. Solve the production problems before you release the next iMac, etc.
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What 10 year product plan would you advise for the iPhone today? Take us through 2023 if you will.

What would you have recommended on Jan 1st, 2007?
 
Kyle Appleseed said:
“Ive’s work is apparently making many people really happy, but will also apparently make rich-texture-loving designers sad.” - Rene Ritchie

What exactly does this mean? Rich texture? Is that like the Passbook shredding feature? or the Calendar app on the iPad?
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I think he means the leather upholstery in the calendar and find my friends; and the textures in the game center app.
 
"According to what he heard"... that's pretty flimsy rumoring. Even for a rumor.

I'm a little boggled at why Apple still pushes OSX development so much in this age when the desktop has stalled evolution aside from processor/graphics speed and interfaces. They should be pushing far more importance onto the iOS which needs to progress further and shape OSX. Just release a new OSX every 3 years, like MacPro releases.
 
Hopefully with iOS 7 it puts an unceremonious end to the single core (A4 or less) products and starts taking graphical advantage of multiple cores. A whole redesign of iOS has been needed for quite some time but the average power of iDevices just wasn't there. Now that most people are using an A5 or higher, this shouldn't be a problem. I can't wait to see what's in store.
 
wiz329 said:
Is there really than much of a shortage of good software engineers?
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Apple only hires experienced A+ software engineers. There are plenty of software engineers but limited experienced A+ software engineers.

Steve Jobs called it the "Bozo effect" when you don't get the best people but instead hire less then A+ people to fill a vacancy. He refused to do it although it remains to be seen if Tim Cook will continue this strategy.

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lewismayell said:
I'd rather have OS X 10.9 than iOS 7 tbh
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Most people are looking forward to IOS 7.
 
NutsNGum said:
In what way worse than Windows? Not that I find Windows bad, in fact quite the opposite.
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Windows 7 was basically a fantastic upgrade from Vista, probably the best Windows from a holistic perspective. Windows 8 didn't really take anything major away, and if you deal with the start screen or replace it with the start menu using one of the numerous alternatives, the Windows 8 desktop is even better than 7's.

From Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion, they removed all-window expose (then brought it back), removed spaces, removed any sort of useful multi-monitor support, and all they added were iOS-ifications - things like "power nap" and "Notes", and made the OS uglier and grey.
 
Every time I read these reports I always hear Edward Tufte saying, "Bureaucracy reproduces itself in the design."
 
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