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iOS 8.1 beta 1 Fixes/Changes/Improvements
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Nope sorry, that is NOT how it works.
All Photos are stored in full quality ON THE DEVICE AND IN ICLOUD.
If you choose Optimize iPhone Storage instead of Download And Keep Originals, then none of the photos are stored locally...or at least, only thumbnails/low res versions stored locally, and then fetched instantly when you choose to view one.
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Or those who value the privacy of their PhotosIts not a poor decision.
Some of us like Camera roll as its good organisation of photos, and I don't see why the world should have a problem with that. A simple toggle switch could fix this in settings, allowing Camera Roll or the iOS 8 Photos.
Camera Roll is the antithesis of organization.
The Photos tab is organized by date, much like the old Camera Roll, but with a wealth of other completely automatic organization principles, that make it much easier to navigate, search, etc.
And honestly, if you think your photos are going to be hacked in iCloud, I'm sorry but you're delusional. Or simply watch too much TV.
Or those who value the privacy of their Photos
Some of us like Camera roll as its good organisation of photos, and I don't see why the world should have a problem with that. A simple toggle switch could fix this in settings, allowing Camera Roll or the iOS 8 Photos.
The important thing to remember about Camera Roll is that it's a complete list of all photos stored LOCALLY on your phone. Period.
Knowing what's locally on your phone is important. The Photos tab just jumbles everything together and you can't tell what's local on the phone, in Photostream, or synced from your Mac. It's handy for finding photos, but useless if you want to see the source of those photos.
Knowing where your data is is extremely important. Yesterday's debacle with resetting your settings deleting your iCloud data proves that. I continue to be amused by people who talk about storing data "safely in the cloud". That doesn't exist.
You're extremely condescending and it's truly not helping anyone. If it wasn't somewhat confusing, the boards wouldn't be full of questions about it. Period. Just because you think you understand it doesn't mean it's not confusing to other people, and believe it or not, those people may be fairly intelligent..
No one handles changes better than me. I'm way off the charts of embracing change.... but I just DON'T like the moments/collections/years view. I like the compact view of the old camera roll, or whatever they want to call it. All photos (whether you choose to integrate all with icloud or just see the photos on your phone) in one fluid stream. That's what I like to see. Not because I dont want to change, but because I find it easier to find things. It's simple, it's easy to scroll through. Now, I admit that on occasion I do find the other view useful, but not as my main view.
I also don't agree that it's a poor decision not to use icloud. Some people only have one device, or have ZERO need to see photos on their other device. Backing up nightly to icloud is one way to protect the photos and some may even back up elsewhere (like to dropbox). Might be a poor decision to you, but everyone has their own situation that could call for a different solution.
"worked since 2007"
It has sucked since 2007. It finally now works the way a proper automatic photo management solution for the masses should.
There is nothing "working" about the way Camera Roll vs. Photostream vs. Sharing vs. Albums has behaved fro iOS 7 on back.
I'm so glad you've decided that you know better than me for my purposes. I agree with the previous person. I save images of the web into photos and trawling through photos is as annoying as hell. Camera roll worked perfectly, and there was no need to remove it.
I don't get why you insist we get other apps to manage downloaded photos. Thats completely stupid. Who the hell are you to say "your Photo Library which shouldn't be containing anything other than Photography and Videography of your own" what the hell? Its fair simpler just to use the one App to have all photos in it. Maybe you should accept that others have different needs for their Photos apps that may differ to your uses.
All photos in an unorganized grid descending by date with no consideration for meta data is not organization. Its pathetic. There wasn't anything good about it.
I'm curious about this too. A lot of people are affected with this going by the Apple support forums.
Stop being so condescending. We don't want the Photos tab taken away, it serves a purpose, but so does Camera Roll. Obviously enough people liked it for Apple to bring it back
Again, you never needed to use another App. It was just a suggestion.
You could easily find the saved photo under Recently Added.
How is that you don't understand that it is now BETTER that it respects meta data and allows a photo to be automatically organized where it belongs on the timeline?
Again, I don't care about you saving PNGs from the web with random dates embedded in them. Thats not the Photos App is intended to work BEST with. You should understand that, and stop insisting that it was "better" when the App was dumb, and did not handle meta data very well.
It was perfect for me and many others. I don't always need metadata. Most people don't. Clearly you do.
Poor decision? Are you serious? How is that? These photos aren't making me money or keeping our government running. They are not mission critical.
Nope. Nope. Nope. Wanting camera roll = not understanding photos tab. End of discussion.
Camera roll was a perfectly good way of knowing in what order I added took photos or saved images to my iPhone. It serves a different purpose to Photos and there is no reason why both can't exist.
I don't care to have my personal photos existing on other people's servers as far as I am concerned. The photo hacking scandal shows that iCloud can be hacked into and even though I have nothing of interest in my photos, they are personal and something I don't want falling into the hands of someone else.
Most people consider the photos they take to be irreplaceable. And storing them on your one device is the worst way you could come up with to ensure they don't get permanently lost.
I understand the photos tab VERY well. Its all the photos on the device. However thats not how I want to view my photos all the time. You obviously don't understand Camera roll.
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My photos are all backed up into multiple locations. Perfectly safe.
Can we stop the photo pissing match and get back to the discussion of the iOS 8.1 beta 1? It's clear that no one is going to change their opinion on the matter.
Some things are just a matter of preference. Those of you bickering about this could stand to learn this.
Some things are just a matter of preference. Those of you bickering about this could stand to learn this.
SMS relay has been turned off with all beta testing and won't be turned back on until later in October, according to Apple. More than likely, it will be with the announcement of Yosemite.
Oh sorry, I thought it was back on as the first page new features wiki says that:
- SMS Relay now works with iPad
Is this incorrect?
no they are not all stored in your device. So what be the point of iCloud photo library if they are all still on your device. You think when I upload all my pictures through iCloud.com or Yosemite photos app they all be downloaded to my other devices? Omg.
If go to my iPhone and view some photos they will be either be downloaded in full or optimised not ALL of them. Any edit or change is made to the iCloud version because that's where they original photo is. Do you think when I reset my phone I have to reimport my pics again because I delted them. ANSWER IS NO.
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The status bar issue is still present in beta 1. I thought Apple would fix this by now. The status bar doesn't disappear when viewing an attachment in messages
no they are not all stored in your device, are you stupid. So what be the point of iCloud photo library if they are all still on your device. You think when I upload all my pictures through iCloud.com or Yosemite photos app they all be downloaded to my other devices? Omg did you even use your brain.
If go to my iPhone and view some photos they will be either be downloaded in full or optimised not ALL of them. Any edit or change is made to the iCloud version because that's where they original photo is. Do you think when I reset my phone I have to reimport my pics again because I delted them. ANSWER IS NO.
Yikes.. I think you are way off base here and have no idea how it works.
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Suffice it to say that Apple has completely confused the HELL out of just about everyone with the features/changes that they take away, then add....or maybe choose not to release right now, but coming soon in an update that might break more things than it fixes. Its all really really crazy to me and I've been a techy for a long time.
Its very clear that Apple is becoming a much more complex company that may be biting off more than it can chew in both hardware and software.
Yikes!
Its very clear that Apple is becoming a much more complex company that may be biting off more than it can chew in both hardware and software.
Yikes!
Between removing iPhoto and Camera Roll, its enough to send me insane, and computers are my line of work
I don't get why Apple can't have a toggle switch for this sort of stuff to allow the user to choose. Those who want recently added can have it, those who want camera roll can have it. The same with iPhoto. Those who want it can keep it those who would prefer Photos can convert to it.
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