Now I can't take you seriously. The best iOS was definitely 6, with the exception of maps. In my book, fluidity is what matters. iOS 8 does not have that. It's a laggy mess on every phone capable of running it, including the 6 series.
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Now I can't take you seriously. The best iOS was definitely 6, with the exception of maps. In my book, fluidity is what matters. iOS 8 does not have that. It's a laggy mess on every phone capable of running it, including the 6 series.
Ah ok cool. Now try and find out how many were actually sold. Im willing to bet its not even 50%. That would be like Ford bragging they shipped 10 million Mustangs. Who cares if most of them are sitting on dealer's lots collecting dust? Thats pretty much how it is with Android phones. The Galaxy S4/S5 and Note 4 are the biggest sellers and thats only a fraction of iPhone sales. Apple sold 75 million iPhones in Q4 of 2014 alone, far more than they're closest competitor (Samsung) sold of the S5 the entire year and it was out 5 months earlier. Its not even close when it comes to sales. Besides, Android is not a company, its an entire platform.
Your attempts at shifting the numbers is quite a stretch and grasping.
The devices are sold. Whether they be Apple or Android, the devices are sold the second they leave the manufacturer. Manufacturers are not stocking store shelves for free. And stores are restocking as they sell out. Obviously you know nothing about modern retail and computerized inventory. Computers order replacement merchandise as each unit sells. Stores are not just randomly overstocking themselves on hopefull speculation.
Additionally, despite your attempt to claim otherwise... iOS is an entire platform too. A platform that has a smaller installed base than the Android platform.
Apple decided they only wanted one manufacturer in the iOS platform. Android took a path of permitting numerous manufacturers to use the Android platform.
We've seen this play out multiple times in the technology field. The more manufacturers producing on a given platform, the more dominant that platform will become.
And why does Android have a larger installed base?
Is that because it is better, and/or more popular?
Well it's clearly more popular as it has a higher install base. That doesn't make it better or worse. He never suggested otherwise.
His post was criticising the other guy of playing the numbers game. As is stating that Android has the bigger market share, which implies more popular. It usually does, but not in the Android vs iOS market.
Its quite obvious why the market share is at it is, despite the iOS devices being more popular.
Ok. In the car world, Toyota is i think the highest share of the market. They sell all types of cars, 3 door to SUV. As do others. Ignoring the Ferraris, Mercedes of this world, Toyota sells more than its competing car manufacturers. So, they are more popular, given that the Hyundias, etc are similar cars, prices, the consumer has made the choice that Toyota is more popular as seen in sales.
Smartphones. Same, except with iOS and Android there is major difference. iOS phones are only in the high end. They don't sell in the budget end, or mid range, perhaps if you include last years phones they still operate in the upper mid range.
Android sells from high end to the budget end, and the very budget end.
So, to see the popularity you need to get a level playing field. Exclude all smartphone sales to very budget, budget, lower and mid mid range, then check the numbers.
I recall seeing recently that in the US, iPhones were about 50%, I cannot recall if that was installed phones or the last quarter. Deduct from all the sales, the very budget to mid midrange, then see what that 50% is.
And, up till now, the fact that Apple chose not to sell normal sized phones, meant that it lost sales to buyers who wanted iOS but 4.5" and bigger. Apples choice. The popularity is not matched by sales, its matched by sales of Android/WP by default.
The price to Apple, is lost sales as they do not compete in the very budget to mid midrange, their choice. The cost to other manufacturers is that they do sell in those markets and continue to make no money or lose money, their choice.
Samsungs phones retail for similar to the iPhone equivalent, then they discount by 20% a month after release. I read today that they are now 40% less then the release price for current phones. That doesnt seem to help.
Popularity is selling the most items, which can only be measured when there is a level playing field. Or by removing the non competing items to see what the sales are for each manufacturer selling equivalently priced items.
LOL. I just posted a qualifier. I'm not justifying my post with criteria, I am removing the criteria that distorts the numbers. Some like to play the numbers game, I remove the numbers game antics to see the real result. You find that hard to accept, due to your bias, I knew you would, no problem.
No bias. You absolutely did create criteria. You are speaking to high end phones right? I'm taking the platform overall. Personally I don't care who is more popular. I'm not a developer and my iPhone and S4 both do exactly what I need them to do. The pissing match is old and boring
Yes, the P match is old and boring, but I believe my points are valid. In most other products, your position is 100% correct, more sales = more popular, but in the smartphone business its not the same. Some sales are due to popularity (I can buy all these, I choose this one) but at the very large market of the mid and lower end its (I like this one but cannot afford it so I'll just get this one)
Part of that skew is removed now that Apple, after years decides to get with the play screen size wise, hence 74 million sold. the rest of the skew will remain forever.
And like you I don't care whose is popular. Android doing worse, or doing better, same with WP, has no effect on my mobile life
I remember when I went to Mexico City years ago -- most people drove VW Beetles. You could say that Beetles were the most popular cars in that country back then...but the truth is that they were the most affordable cars.
Sometimes the most sold item is not the most popular item...no matter what you say.
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Sorry, but Android updates arent just app updates. There are countless security fixes, cosmetic differences, performance updates and new os level features like priority interruptions, guest mode, user profiles, better graphics processing, ok Google with screen off on some phones (need I go on) that's not available just because you update your gmail app.
It's not Google's fault that oems won't update their phones but let's not pretend that being able to update Google+ from the play store somehow means you're getting something great and updates aren't as necessary.
Those numbers are pathetic.
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It's not, you need to root and rom and if you took an ota from your oem you have to most likely wait for a new way to root to be developed as the carrier most probably patched the security hole that made root possible.
People make it sound like there's a button in Android labeled "go back to froyo" or something. So dumb.
You're acting as if most Android users even have the option to upgrade
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No. He cannot. Because it's not the same person. It never is.
For some reason, he thinks two different opinions equals the same person.
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Except there was malware on the play store too. Oops.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-268B-1487
That's just from this week, and its not the first not will it be the last time there malware on the play store.
Not Curating the store has everything to do with it being an insecure os.
And now you can explain what has to do OS security with installing apps. Oops.
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You don't need any root to downgrade.
You're saying an OS where malware is allowed to be distributed through a service offered by that same OS has nothing to do with that OS security? With that logic Windows is the most secure OS ever created.
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So how do you downgrade then?
I'm saying that installing apps has nothing to do with the OS security.
And no, play store is not an OS service like Amazon Store is not an OS service.
Still trying to grasp how anyone with just a little knowledge can make that implication about Windows.
Flashing, but you can just Google it if you are interested, the K that I doubt with all the misinformation you post in this thread
I'm trying to grasp how someone is saying that the Google Play Store, something available only on Android devices is not a service of the OS. please explain what it is (without getting defensive and insulting) then. I'd love to hear it.
Ok I use flashing interchangeably with root, which is not correct, yes that was wrong. The point still stands that downgrading is not easy and your bootloader would most probably be locked by the ota too.
Play store is nor part of the OS so it has nothing to do with the or being more or less secure.
OS X can have malware and it has nothing to do with the Unix security.
Apple ios App Store has had malware and it has nothing to do with ios being more or less secure
It had only to do with the ****ing curating of the store, nothing less, nothing more
What I am saying is, you can't compare Android's shipments or sales numbers to Apple's shipments or sales numbers. Apple is a company, Android is not. You would have to compare Apple to Samsung or Apple to HTC etc...and when you do that, Apple blows all of them out of the water when it comes to sales.
This is just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. A distinction without any difference. Nitpicking. It doesn't further your point at all, just makes you seem overly defensive.
If i can download malware from the play store, and the play store is only available on the Android OS, then the android OS is insecure.
Its like me saying it's someone else's fault for Google having security holes that can be taken advantage of by malware apps.
I can't argue such silliness, you can have the last word (make sure you say ****ing in your response)