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Telso, do you have a 5S?

i do indeed. with yosemite on the latest rmbp mid tier.

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known bugs for my setup:
OSX
- Preview often scrolls to the bottom of PDFs immediately using a BT mouse
- Finder window open/close animation stutters a bit on 'higher than recommended' resolutions (1680 and higher)
- iTunes lists overlapp in strange ways so you can't read some random titles/artist info while scrolling
- Touch ID seems slightly worse since upgrading from Mavericks (might be in my head or hardware degradation)

iOS
- default Camera app/ 3rd party Banking app both crash or freeze every few days

fin.
 
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Typical troll feeding and Android bashing article.

I'm not using an Android phone but there is one thing I can tell you.
If Apple would let me go back to iOS7 I would do so immediately.

But Apple wants to keep showing figures like these while slowing down my device , so that I buy their newest product.
Let's praise them . Yay, Apple. Android sucks and so on and so forth..

I'm still on 7.1.2 because I've been hesitant to upgrade to 8. What main issues are you seeing?

I was considering making the jump at 8.2 since I figured it would be more stable.
 
1 billion android powered devices shipped in 2014.... What were you saying?

The keyword there being "shipped". How many are still sitting on shelves? Well over half I'd guess. You know, those dozens of $40-$99 Android phone models you walk past in Walmart, K-mart, Target, Radio Shack and even grocery stores. Apple sold more iPhones (75 million) last quarter alone than most Android manufacturers sell in an entire year. Its really not even worth comparing.
 
(c) Google Play Services and Support Libraries make version less relevant

less, but not by much

android fragmentation is no less of a catastrophe because of it. especially for google itself.

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No offense, you have no clue if what you talk about.

actually, he nailed it, mostly. he forgot the poor, who have no other choice.

the rest is a margin of error.

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Think this needs to be a sticky and/or permalinked for those that just keep burying their heads in the sand.

You can't really compare OS upgrades between the two platforms. /drops mic

so the security updates surely must be handled differently too?

otherwise it would be a security scandal covered by mainstream media :rolleyes:
 
If you have the means and spare time, there's always a workaround for an Android phone. You can always get a nice launcher app, icon pack, Google keyboard (has been updated with material design theme) and latest Google core services and voila, your phone is being Lollipop without actually using a Lollipop.

Can't do that without an iOS. An old device with iOS 6 will keep its skeurphomism design and even with jailbreak, nobody would bother to make a proper skinning for it.

Well of course I love using Apple services and I have a few iOS devices myself. Update is swift and straight (but if Apple somehow make a botched patch, you don't have anywhere else to go but a nice service trip Apple Store). Then again to completely bashing Android for having 1.6% latest OS adoption rate is ridiculous. Both are different in OS distribution and philosophy.

Google could've controlled the whole Android system a la Microsoft Windows (uniform skin, updates, and core system despite being used by a wide variety of computer brands) but it didn't. Instead it throw away the source code for OEM to exploit and modify. So yeah of course the adoption is going to be very slow, I don't like it either but maybe that's the whole point? If an Android phone left alone, then it maybe too old. Either get a custom firmware or buy a new one.

At least it does not get bog down by a so-called latest OS update? I mean what an iOS 8 update would do for an old iPhone 4s that iOS 7 wouldn't? The latest, shiniest main features are mostly stripped down on older hardware, and you left alone with meaningless iOS 8.1.3 symbol under ”About Phone" menu. Might as well hack the iPhone and write down iOS 11.2.3 in there. As if it makes any difference?
 
This just proves that people on Android don't upgraded as much as iOS users

I bet that if Apple wouldn't force people to have a worse experience by not allowing them to downgrade the numbers would be way lower. Apple steadfastly refuses to allow it and it's made my experience with my iPad 3 one that is not existent. I don't use it because performance is absolutely horrible and I'm very pissed off that my $600 device is being held hostage by idiotic and customer hostile practices. I literally don't use it anymore because it's so damn slow at everything from switching apps, typing taking literally >5 seconds to intiate to Safari being completely worthless. If they let people downgrade that number would be lower.
 
Yet another reason why Android pretty much sucks.

So just because the carriers are dicks means the OS sucks?

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This just proves that people on Android don't upgraded as much as iOS users

I hope you don't mean forced upgrades. If you don't upgrade your iThingie, you're basically left in the cold.

Oh, and thanks to Google Play services, version numbers don't matter.
 
Or manufacturers are even bigger di*ks, and refuse to update the necessary drivers for previous model phones, hoping that it will drive consumers to upgrade to the latest models.

Uh, no. That would be the carrier that does that. The manufacturers can and do release updates whenever they can pressure the carriers enough to let it go through. The carriers are the ones that don't allow updates so that you buy another phone, you've got it completely backwards.

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I can't believe its that low for Android.

And for peopling hating on iOS 8:
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/20492/20141118/android-5-0-lollipop-rollout-plagued-issues.htm

Android 5 bugs are naturally reported less because less less people are using it.

Android having bugs is irrelevant to the fact that iOS 8 is not better. Pointing fingers is literally a worthless exercise because I don't care what Android has as far as bugs go. Why? Because that doesn't stop my 6 Plus from having a buggy POS OS on it. Pointing fingers is the LAMEST excuse for a defense.

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And you had choice and decided to upgrade.....but did you really need to or where you just curious as most others are? :p

Upgrades have allowed older devices to have new features. You test them out, find out they aren't worth having a buggy OS and you're screwed because by the time you have a good feel of how well the OS treats you in normal life it's too late. Apple has shut the downgrade window and you're stuck. Which is complete BS and it's a hostile requirement they put in place to inflate numbers.

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Very hard to believe most would take your post seriously because nothing could be further from the truth in regards to iOS8.

It's pretty horrible to me. My shiny new 6 Plus with two clean installs STILL won't recognize inputs a handful of times a day unless I lock and unlock it and try again. That to me makes it a horrible OS. On a touchscreen device that's the most current hardware it should NEVER not respond to my taps. Ever.

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The poor wife with the 500$ device iphone 5S... Oh my ! How can she?
Is she able to live with it?

If it's crucial to her job then it could very well be crippling. Depending on a device as capable as todays smartphones can be very bad depending on how much you depend on it working correctly every time you pick it up. Once it starts to not work properly every time you need it everything can come to a screeching halt and if you make money with that device then it can be very detrimental. Not everything has to do with the cost of the device, and it works against your argument there too because as a premium device that demands premium prices having bugs that make it very difficult to use have a huge impact.

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You are in denial if you think your average android user is downgrading their devices software.

If that's the case, lollipop is a pretty awful OS to be at barely 2% market share, millions most of downgraded from it right? Cause a majority of android users regularly downgrade their software.

Having the option is better than absolutely no option despite not many people having taken the opportunity to do so. You're delusional to not recognize that.

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I sure hope nobody pays attention to them.

Yes because their bugs should be ignored because they aren't the bugs you're experiencing. You're a pot calling the kettle black my friend.

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No matter how Android apologists want to slice it, 1.6% adoption rate on a 4 month old OS is just comical.

1.6% of all android sales in 2014 (a hair over a Billion) is still 16 million devices with the latest OS. That's a lot of devices and considering that the iOS 8 adoption numbers are influenced by recent Apple releases it's nothing to scoff at. That's still a ton of devices with the most current OS.
 
No matter how Android apologists want to slice it, 1.6% adoption rate on a 4 month old OS is just comical.

That line shows how little you understand about Android.

Let first start with it has not even been 3 months yet. It was released at the END of nov.
2. In comparing it to Apple it would be like when iOS 8 beta was first release. How many months did that take? The release date of Android 5.0 was the same day the manufactures got the final version and even then they tend to wait a little longer for a few more bugs to get worked out.

No matter how you cut it you have no clue and do not understand how Android and its OS works. You are doing the standard bash Android but not understanding the huge underlining differences between the 2.
 
less, but not by much

android fragmentation is no less of a catastrophe because of it. especially for google itselfs:
Minus the fact that backwards compatibility OMG works in Android big time when you add in Google support libraries making it even easier.. I do not have to worry about dealing with crazy BS all over the place in dealing with difference versions.

Compare this in Apple in a rather large App I work on every OS version we have to spend about 3-4 man weeks dealing with update just to make the app work right on the new OS. There are so many places that in the code we have to put if (iOS7) do this else (do this) so it works right. Then a year later we have an entirely new set of those to do in different spots. Android has a handful of spots but no where close to the level of iOS. Android here and there we do API checks and have 2 branches right of the time support libraries work great.
 
I already deleted the five apps that needed 8.X before it would download! 7.1.2 will be forever for my iPad Mini Retina! If any others; what to do that; I game to delete them too from my Mini!

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Kind of off topic, but I never understood the KitKat OS name. Do they have to pay royalties to the candy bar (nestle)?

Google from what I heard got approval for the name before announcing it to the public! Google is a large company that has a good staff of lawyers on board. Nestle is an European company and it thought it was good PR!
 
Yes because their bugs should be ignored because they aren't the bugs you're experiencing. You're a pot calling the kettle black my friend.


I didn't mean to say that their bugs should be ignored by Apple, which is what I was talking about in my original post. Apple should treat their issues like they would anyone else's. What I meant to say is that people on MacRumors should take their opinions with a grain of salt. Somebody who experiences problems all the time is not representative of the vast majority of people's experiences with iOS, nor is a person who seemingly never notices anything wrong.

Forums are great for researching the different kinds of issues that each version of iOS has, but not at all good for trying to determine what percentage of people actually have each issue. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and MacRumors is a place where so many people come to get help with bugs and glitches- it's bound to make everything look worse than it actually is.
 
(c) carriers are di*ks and neglect to roll out software to paying customers.

I'm not a fan of carriers, but Google's the one at fault here for creating this "open" Frankenstein of an OS at the expense of user experience. Everyone knew this would happen and I don't blame the carriers or the OEMs for customizing what was designed to be customized for financial gain.
 
The number will only go up given that we cannot go back to the older versions of the OS...

You're not forced to install it are you anymore? So, you're telling me that people would install something completely blindly?

So, how to Android users update? Completely blindly too? Seems not since they so few people got L.

How easy is it to revert on Android for the average user... Not that easy from what I saw, especially for major updates.

You actually can revert IOS I believe in the first few days of release. But, not later on.
 
and users can decide within 2 minutes (not exact) of making up their mind ?

I wish i was that fast .... No wonder why users rush.
 
I'm not a fan of carriers, but Google's the one at fault here for creating this "open" Frankenstein of an OS at the expense of user experience. Everyone knew this would happen and I don't blame the carriers or the OEMs for customizing what was designed to be customized for financial gain.

Google accomplished its goals quite effectively. They created an open standard that would be desired and accepted by the masses. An environment which would be adopted by numerous manufactures, and provide customers with an alternative to the iPhone.

If they had used Apple's strategy, then Android would have been just a single phone manufacturers OS, and there'd be dozens of other OS's out there from each manufacturer.

There would be extreme fragmentation in the industry as every phone would be on a different OS and software options would be limited.

What they have accomplished instead, is giving the customers a wealth of useful apps that universally run on every phone out there except the iPhone. And this benefits the iPhone as well, because developers who release cross platform apps only have to develop 2 versions to capture the entire market.

Google made the right choice. And it's benefitted the consumer greatly, and given the consumer the freedom of choice without sacrificing capabilities.

If Android had been around earlier, some of my prior smartphones likely would have been more useful. But at that point it was the iPhone, windows phones, or dozens of incompatible smartphones that each used different incompatible apps that you'd lose access to if you switched phones.

Google had made android a strong player in the industry. And they've developed impressive backwards compatibility without noticeably sacrificing knew capabilities. It's impressive that I can take my Android 2.x phone and install anything I want without the need to update or buy a new phone. It's also impressive that my old Android 2.x phone had never demonstrated a glitch. Compared to the extreme number of times my iPhone has crashed without warning.

iPhone people love to bash the droid and complain about bugs. But I'm less concerned with bugs I never see. Though the bugs may technically be there, if they never show themselves, I'm not going to worry about it.

How about this comparison. Every house has spiders. It's unavoidable. Usually they're in the walls, ended the floor, etc. And occasionally one comes out where you can see it. And we accept that as fact, and don't really concern ourselves with what isn't harming or bothering us.

But when the bugs come out and swarm, then we do something.

My experience with android is that I never saw the bugs. My experience with the iPhone is that I have always run into bugs on a frequent basis, but they've been the minor ones that you just pause a second and go on with life.
 
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