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Yet another reason why Android pretty much sucks.

That's not Android "sucking". That's individual cell phone carriers or manufacturers withholding updates for various reasons.

And in reality, getting updates for Android is unimportant because all of the core functionality is updated without requiring a full OS update. The core Apps are always current even if your OS version number is older.

You don't have to obtain the latest OS number to have the core functions of your phone updated, or to obtain the latest capabilities, or run the latest apps.

The biggest thing you get with a OS update is a slightly changed UI, which you can already tweak as much as you like without obtaining the updated OS revision.

It's funny all the iPhone users complaining about having lost a style of user interface that they preferred because of an update. If they were using an Android phone, they'd simply change their User Interface to anything they'd like and not spend the next 3 years complaining about how Apple changed the look from ios 6 and how much they resent 7.x and 8.x not going back to the 6.0 look and feel.
 
That's not Android "sucking". That's individual cell phone carriers or manufacturers withholding updates for various reasons.

And in reality, getting updates for Android is unimportant because all of the core functionality is updated without requiring a full OS update. The core Apps are always current even if your OS version number is older.

You don't have to obtain the latest OS number to have the core functions of your phone updated, or to obtain the latest capabilities, or run the latest apps.

The biggest thing you get with a OS update is a slightly changed UI, which you can already tweak as much as you like without obtaining the updated OS revision.

It's funny all the iPhone users complaining about having lost a style of user interface that they preferred because of an update. If they were using an Android phone, they'd simply change their User Interface to anything they'd like and not spend the next 3 years complaining about how Apple changed the look from ios 6 and how much they resent 7.x and 8.x not going back to the 6.0 look and feel.

Android is now a black hole of security, because updating the apps API is NOT sufficient. Read up on Ars the latest oopsy... not pretty.
 
Cool. All this proves is people need to stop buying Samsung's crap and start buying more Nexus devices (which are better in all ways).
 
How easy it is or isn't realy doesn't matter when compared to impossible.
Originally Posted by flyinmac

It does because if it's more difficult, fewer people will do it.

You can have less than 0 in money and mathematics. But you cannot have less than 0 people.

As long as Android users have the option to revert, and no IPhone users can revert, there will still be more Android users exercising choice of OS than iPhone users having a choice of reverting to prior OS versions.

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Android is now a black hole of security, because updating the apps API is NOT sufficient. Read up on Ars the latest oopsy... not pretty.

Says the same person who last week was arguing that Apple should be free to decide when and if they feel like getting around to patching major exploits.

The reality is you don't hear much about people's Androids getting compromised. But a lot of us are familiar with Apple's ios architecture having been compromised.

And I can tell you from experience that my data on the Android 2.x phone is still safer than the data on my iPhone is today.

We could debate about theoretical possibilities. But Apple is the one who's OS has gotten the spotlight for exploits that have been successfully utilized in the wild.
 
The keyword there being "shipped". How many are still sitting on shelves? Well over half I'd guess. You know, those dozens of $40-$99 Android phone models you walk past in Walmart, K-mart, Target, Radio Shack and even grocery stores. Apple sold more iPhones (75 million) last quarter alone than most Android manufacturers sell in an entire year. Its really not even worth comparing.

You keep telling yourself that. Unless you have any figure on how many of those android devices are on the shelves than you're just babbling. 1 billion sir, 1 billion. Come back when you can match that.

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AND??? There are tons of free and cheap junk Android phones flooding the universe. Pretty easy to achieve that amount of sales. When comparing to Apple only Samsung truly puts out a phone comparable and anything people really care about so your 1 billion Android products sold is now a useless argument. :)
I don't expect you to reason here but cheap junk or not, it's 1 billion devices. Feel free to call us when apple ships 2 billion iPhones. Until then sit tight.
 
If you know even the basic concepts about how roms are created and distributed for Android handsets, you'd know this is a completely irrelevant comparison.

Really only fair if all Android phones were Nexus 4/5/6 models.

It's pretty relevant to 99% of smartphone users
 
Now, if only they can get IOS 8 running efficiently. :rolleyes:


Been using iOS 8 on iPhone 6 from the day one, and also on iPad air. Know lot of friends who also have done. Zero issue with iOS 8. Makes me wonder if people have gotten into habit of just moaning for anything that is the latest for absolutely no reason!!!

Now before you say it, I am aware that peoples experience on electronic devices does differ but still........!
 
Android is now a black hole of security, because updating the apps API is NOT sufficient. Read up on Ars the latest oopsy... not pretty.

Except the webview is now updatable independently on the app store in Lollipop and beyond.
 
Except the webview is now updatable independently on the app store in Lollipop and beyond.

That really helps the 99% of other users.... you know, those 1.5 B other ones and that also helps with everything else in Lollipop that's not updatable.

And how does that help things like this...

http://arstechnica.com/security/201...-may-have-hosed-millions-of-android-handsets/

Great to see Google "cares" for the massive botnet and quasi bricking of phones that they helped create.

Someone had to tell them, so they pulled the apps... They had been there a while. How about caring for that hundreds of day crap in their own play store they don't even know about instead of just looking at their code. As is, their app store and Google security architecture is broken as designed!
 
That really helps the 99% of other users.... you know, those 1.5 B other ones and that also helps with everything else in Lollipop that's not updatable.

And how does that help things like this...

http://arstechnica.com/security/201...-may-have-hosed-millions-of-android-handsets/

Great to see Google "cares" for the massive botnet and quasi bricking of phones that they helped create.

Someone had to tell them, so they pulled the apps... They had been there a while. How about caring for that hundreds of day crap in their own play store they don't even know about instead of just looking at their code. As is, their app store and Google security architecture is broken as designed!

Tunnel vision and blinders.

Some have open minds and consider the positives aspects of the various options available.

Others have blind devotion and devote all their energy to bashing any product which they choose not to like.

Your insistence on irrelevant bashing has nothing to do with the original topic and serves only to intentionally distract from the original topic.

Since you apparently believe you know everything, why don't you get a job in Apples marketing team, and funnel your drive to promote the iPhone in a more productive direction.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Most likely, Apple would realize that your hostility would do more to switch people to Android. So, guess that leaves you stuck here relentlessly beating a pointless topic and puffing your chest while the rest of the world continues to see your ranting for the attention seeking that it is.

But, Android thanks you. It's your personality type that drives Apple owners to become frustrated with the Apple community and move back to Android and Windows devices.

You and others who continue making posts like yours are a marketing force to be reckoned with. One which Apple would like to quash, as it sends tons of people to Apple's competitors.

Oh, by the way, if they haven't already thanked you, welcome to the Android and Windows marketing team. Without people like you, Apple would be tougher competition. They thank you for your help turning people off and away from Apple products.
 
If you know even the basic concepts about how roms are created and distributed for Android handsets, you'd know this is a completely irrelevant comparison.

Really only fair if all Android phones were Nexus 4/5/6 models.

Not really - It's a pretty good picture to show the speed of availability of the updates. Doesn't really matter if Google releases a awesome 5.5 version of Android if I can't get it on my damn phone?

No the numbers might not be comparable, but they sure do show the picture of how slow people are able to get the latest features, UI's and security updates...
 
You keep telling yourself that. Unless you have any figure on how many of those android devices are on the shelves than you're just babbling. 1 billion sir, 1 billion. Come back when you can match that

Ok, did some research on it because I thought that was absurdly wrong and it is. Android has 1 billion total devices activated, they didn't ship 1 billion last year LOL. Nice try though. Considering there are over 18 THOUSAND Android devices compared to a handful of iOS devices, that's hardly anything to brag about anyways,

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/google-io-2014-by-the-numbers/
 
Ok, did some research on it because I thought that was absurdly wrong and it is. Android has 1 billion total devices activated, they didn't ship 1 billion last year LOL. Nice try though. Considering there are over 18 THOUSAND Android devices compared to a handful of iOS devices, that's hardly anything to brag about anyways,

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/google-io-2014-by-the-numbers/


http://www.cnet.com/news/android-shipments-exceed-1-billion-for-first-time-in-2014/

You didn't tried very hard. Nice try, though
 
want to see something amusing.

Go to the thread about the release of the Samsung Galaxy Gear, then go to the Apple Watch thread.

Galaxy gear thread: 1 day battery? THATS UNNACECEPTABLE!
same people
Apple watch: ONE DAY BATTERY? THATS ENOUGH! YOU DONT NEED MORE, APPLE NAILED IT!'

Can you please link to the person saying those two things?
 
Tunnel vision and blinders.

Some have open minds and consider the positives aspects of the various options available.

Others have blind devotion and devote all their energy to bashing any product which they choose not to like.

Your insistence on irrelevant bashing has nothing to do with the original topic and serves only to intentionally distract from the original topic.

Since you apparently believe you know everything, why don't you get a job in Apples marketing team, and funnel your drive to promote the iPhone in a more productive direction.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Most likely, Apple would realize that your hostility would do more to switch people to Android. So, guess that leaves you stuck here relentlessly beating a pointless topic and puffing your chest while the rest of the world continues to see your ranting for the attention seeking that it is.

But, Android thanks you. It's your personality type that drives Apple owners to become frustrated with the Apple community and move back to Android and Windows devices.

You and others who continue making posts like yours are a marketing force to be reckoned with. One which Apple would like to quash, as it sends tons of people to Apple's competitors.

Oh, by the way, if they haven't already thanked you, welcome to the Android and Windows marketing team. Without people like you, Apple would be tougher competition. They thank you for your help turning people off and away from Apple products.

So, your response to a factual reply about Google's disregard for security (barely improved lately) is this! A deft mix of non sequitur, passive aggressiveness, ad hominem and condescension!

Your spiel is kind of surreal. as Android is not some misunderstood underdog pushed by a scrappy up and comer; it is the dominant mobile OS backed by a very large entrenched multinational. If any system is like Windows of old, it is Google's Android, not Apple's IOS.

As for my fanboyishness (sic), lets do the inventory of what I run:
- Physical
- 1 3GS (my main phone, yes I have a phone THAT old)
- 5 raspberry pi' (Mostly run Linux, sometimes Android)
- 1 ODROID (Linux Ubuntu or Android 4.4)
- 2 Linux, 1 BSD full machines
(1 used as a NAS, 1 used as desktop, 1 as test machine)
- 3 Windows 8.1 Machines (main desktop, one a laptop, one for testing/dev)
- 1 Openwrt (my own little personal router)
- On Virtual Machines
- OSX several variants (non paid for.. don't tell Apple)
- A few Android variants
- Several dozens Unix variants
- Other versions of Windows

I've actually run more Android devices (real or virtual) than any Apple variants and only given Apple $500 in 20 years... If anything, I'm obviously a Unix fanboy that runs Windows mostly by necessity.

Why do have so many OS' ? Because it is part of my job to know a lot about these, and that's been the case since the 1980s.
 
Minus the fact that backwards compatibility OMG works in Android big time when you add in Google support libraries making it even easier.. I do not have to worry about dealing with crazy BS all over the place in dealing with difference versions.

Compare this in Apple in a rather large App I work on every OS version we have to spend about 3-4 man weeks dealing with update just to make the app work right on the new OS. There are so many places that in the code we have to put if (iOS7) do this else (do this) so it works right. Then a year later we have an entirely new set of those to do in different spots. Android has a handful of spots but no where close to the level of iOS. Android here and there we do API checks and have 2 branches right of the time support libraries work great.

Android is using vm to cater to developers. The whole android design and ideology is based to cater to as many people as possible.

I dont consider that a plus
 
That line shows how little you understand about Android.

Let first start with it has not even been 3 months yet. It was released at the END of nov.
2. In comparing it to Apple it would be like when iOS 8 beta was first release. How many months did that take? The release date of Android 5.0 was the same day the manufactures got the final version and even then they tend to wait a little longer for a few more bugs to get worked out.

No matter how you cut it you have no clue and do not understand how Android and its OS works. You are doing the standard bash Android but not understanding the huge underlining differences between the 2.

If Google can't do a good OS rollout, they deserve scorn.
 
Typical troll feeding and Android bashing article.

I'm not using an Android phone but there is one thing I can tell you.
If Apple would let me go back to iOS7 I would do so immediately.

But Apple wants to keep showing figures like these while slowing down my device , so that I buy their newest product.
Let's praise them . Yay, Apple. Android sucks and so on and so forth..

In about 8 or 9 months, you're going to be saying on here that you wish Apple will let you downgrade to iOS 8.
 
So, your response to a factual reply about Google's disregard for security (barely improved lately) is this! A deft mix of non sequitur, passive aggressiveness, ad hominem and condescension!

Your spiel is kind of surreal. as Android is not some misunderstood underdog pushed by a scrappy up and comer; it is the dominant mobile OS backed by a very large entrenched multinational. If any system is like Windows of old, it is Google's Android, not Apple's IOS.

As for my fanboyishness (sic), lets do the inventory of what I run:
- Physical
- 1 3GS (my main phone, yes I have a phone THAT old)
- 5 raspberry pi' (Mostly run Linux, sometimes Android)
- 1 ODROID (Linux Ubuntu or Android 4.4)
- 2 Linux, 1 BSD full machines
(1 used as a NAS, 1 used as desktop, 1 as test machine)
- 3 Windows 8.1 Machines (main desktop, one a laptop, one for testing/dev)
- 1 Openwrt (my own little personal router)
- On Virtual Machines
- OSX several variants (non paid for.. don't tell Apple)
- A few Android variants
- Several dozens Unix variants
- Other versions of Windows

I've actually run more Android devices (real or virtual) than any Apple variants and only given Apple $500 in 20 years... If anything, I'm obviously a Unix fanboy that runs Windows mostly by necessity.

Why do have so many OS' ? Because it is part of my job to know a lot about these, and that's been the case since the 1980s.

Wow, and you prove my point. Attention seek much?

As for the small list, good for you. But consider me unimpressed. I'll not bother detailing a 40+ history of technical experience and device / component design, manufacturing, programming, marketing, and yes ownership as well. I have other things to do that are more important than spending hours writing a list of things you probably wouldn't understand anyway. And it's not on topic anyay. But it would probably surprise you to find out that after Steve returned to Apple, Apple called me directly and had numerous lengthy conversations to get information they needed and wasn't documented anywhere else. It was my years and experience in the industry that led them to contact me for what they needed to know. If you want to puff your chest in that area, start a thread to discuss every device you've ever owned, worked with, designed, patented, programmed, or written a programming language for. You'll probably realize quickly that many of us will be unimpressed, and detail more credentials.

As for debates of security... Again one could debate that all day long. But the reality is Apple's been the one actually compromised in the wild. And it's not like it was a small issue. Again, more concerned about what actually affects my data than theoretical possibilities of what may never happen.

You know what??? Think about your iPhone 3 for a more recent example since you're still using it. Oh, it's an Apple, so who cares about whether it's been patched to include all the latest security holes that have been discovered. While you rag on older Android phones, I don't hear you calling for Apple to patch your iPhone 3.

And in this case, Apple Is both the OS producer and the phone manufacturer. They could insure that every phone got updates regardless of age. But they choose not to.

Google makes the updates available. But they are not in control of the phone's manufacturers. In most cases it's not Google or Android preventing the update, it's usually either the phone manufacturer or in many cases the cell phone service that is blocking / preventing the update.

Google gets around this as much as possible by providing the core function updates without requiring a full os update. And, the current updated apps run on prior versions as well. So that patches a lot of potential holes without requiring individual manufacturers and cellular service providers to allow us to update the base os version.

Now, when Apple continues to support a phone as old as my Android phone, then perhaps you'll be able to revisit this topic legitimately. But, as it is, my Android still gets more updates and runs more current apps than your iPhone 3. Pretty sad considering Apple has control of ios and iPhone production and distribution entirely.

But you do make a valid point... Android is the dominant player in the market. Welcome back to the topic.
 
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No...carriers being dicks, and Google allowing a system where carriers can be dicks, is one of the reasons Android sucks.

Android is an open OS where people can customize it the way they want. It is was made that way. Google can control their own devices which they do well with the nexus series. But Samsung,LG,Sony and other android phone makers are and should be responsible for their own versions of android.

An open system does have its disadvantages but it also has many advantages.
 
Typical troll feeding and Android bashing article.

I'm not using an Android phone but there is one thing I can tell you.
If Apple would let me go back to iOS7 I would do so immediately.

But Apple wants to keep showing figures like these while slowing down my device , so that I buy their newest product.
Let's praise them . Yay, Apple. Android sucks and so on and so forth..

iOS 7 turned the 4 into junk, and 8 does he same for the 4s.

People should be able to downgrade to whatever iOS strikes the best balance for them.
 
So, your response to a factual reply about Google's disregard for security (barely improved lately) is this! A deft mix of non sequitur, passive aggressiveness, ad hominem and condescension!

Your spiel is kind of surreal. as Android is not some misunderstood underdog pushed by a scrappy up and comer; it is the dominant mobile OS backed by a very large entrenched multinational. If any system is like Windows of old, it is Google's Android, not Apple's IOS.

As for my fanboyishness (sic), lets do the inventory of what I run:
- Physical
- 1 3GS (my main phone, yes I have a phone THAT old)
- 5 raspberry pi' (Mostly run Linux, sometimes Android)
- 1 ODROID (Linux Ubuntu or Android 4.4)
- 2 Linux, 1 BSD full machines
(1 used as a NAS, 1 used as desktop, 1 as test machine)
- 3 Windows 8.1 Machines (main desktop, one a laptop, one for testing/dev)
- 1 Openwrt (my own little personal router)
- On Virtual Machines
- OSX several variants (non paid for.. don't tell Apple)
- A few Android variants
- Several dozens Unix variants
- Other versions of Windows

I've actually run more Android devices (real or virtual) than any Apple variants and only given Apple $500 in 20 years... If anything, I'm obviously a Unix fanboy that runs Windows mostly by necessity.

Why do have so many OS' ? Because it is part of my job to know a lot about these, and that's been the case since the 1980s.


Yeah, I doubt the cynics in this thread care about most of the devices you own. Remember- Google can do no wrong, and Apple is the devil. They claim they're unbiased, yet they evangelize for Google and can't seem to say a single positive thing about anything Apple does.

Don't get me wrong, both iOS and Android are great, but I'll never understand the people that feel the need to vicariously defend Android on an Apple forum while simultaneously trying to discredit everything Apple does.
 
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