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as an consumer, there's nothing more I want than for Apple to charge us more and more for every product they sold than anybody else out there. Heck, who cares if I personally pay more, as long as Apple gets it's profit up there....

waiiit a second!

This is such a tiring argument. Apple's phones are NOT that much more crazily priced than other phones. So maybe you pay a couple hundred more. Compare that to many other industries, where premium tier products cost many many more times base level products. Go price high end cars, and compare them to base Toyota or Honda models.
No company will get rich just by deciding to charge more money. People have to actually buy your product. If there is no perception of value, they will not buy. Would you honestly argue that Android phone makers would NOT charge more money for their products if they could? Really?
 
Then where are all the apps for BlackBerry and Windows? Market share matters if it drops below a certain amount. Maybe 5-10%.

Your argument makes no sense. He didn't say that market share does not matter. He was saying that it does not guarantee success. That just having market share is not enough. How on earth are you going to turn that upside down and argue that this means that having .4% share should thus give you success. Makes no sense at all... :confused:
 
I would be happy if there is: upgradable gas, large screen gas?, high quality gas, gas ecosystems, but no, you can't use gas as an example.

Of course I can. What can you upgrade on your iPhone once you chose it? iPad? You can't even upgrade memory in the Retina MBP. My comment was regarding the profit comment, so the logic is the same.
 
Then where are all the apps for BlackBerry and Windows? Market share matters if it drops below a certain amount. Maybe 5-10%.

Plus, iOS did have a 2 year head start.

Do you realize Windows phone has about 500k apps in its store ?
 
Thats really not platform specific. All mobile game makers have difficulty making money while not using disrupting advertising or in app upgrades. It's a work in progress given that nobody is willing to pay 60 bucks for a game like on consoles.

True, not $60, but charge $1.99 or thereabouts and make money with the quantity of downloads and no ads, or like some, have an ad-supported version AND a paid version.
 
And that is the worst stat of all! What motivation does Apple have to innovate and bug-fix when they can literally sit back and let the money pour in. Quality is dropping, and you have your head in the sand if you don't see it. Sure, it's still better than competitors, but for how long?

Somehow you live in the world where Apple doesn't need to do anything and the money just keeps pouring in. How unfair. Samsung had a good run which is mostly over. So how come, in your world, that for example HTC works hard and the money doesn't come pouring in, when Apple does nothing and gets rich? The mystery of it all... Maybe you should check your assumptions.
 
Do you realize Windows phone has about 500k apps in its store ?

I didn't know that were that many. Do you still have one of each operating system? I would be really interested in hearing your thoughts comparing the three.
 
Do you still have the 1520?

Sure. Quite happy about it on 8.1.1

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I don't know anyone personally who has gotten malware on their phone and granted that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Typical response. I don't know anyone.
Yet malware for Android still exists.
Btw I was referring more to the bloatware oems and carriers put in the Android phones they sell.
 
Sure. Quite happy about it on 8.1.1

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Typical response. I don't know anyone.
Yet malware for Android still exists.
Btw I was referring more to the bloatware oems and carriers put in the Android phones they sell.

It was an honest response. :)
 
Yes, I think Apple should give more of an incentive for consumers to choose iOS over the others. They can certainly afford it, but I don't think reducing some prices would be ideal. Apple should instead make the base iDevice models 32Gb, then offer 64, 128 as the alternatives. I also wouldn't mind seeing an increase to the default iCloud storage (at least 15gb).

Yes, it is a joke they still offer 16GB phones, especially with 4 GB limit for apps now, their is no reason what so ever to be cheap with storage at the mark up Apple charges. Maybe one day they will change?

Crushing how?

I'm just trying to figure out the result of these "Android Dominates" headlines.

Android has had "the most market share" for 5 years... so no news there.

But that's really not surprising when you've got 60+ manufacturers who are now shipping a billion Android smartphones a year.

Meanwhile... Apple has NEVER had a lot of smartphone market share... yet they do just fine.

So again... what is Android crushing?

Android has not had the most market share for 5 years, where did you read that? And it crushes all in it's current market share, I do believe I stated that. What do you not understand about that? And you don't consider Apples market share to be a lot :eek: did you even read this story?
 
I didn't know that were that many. Do you still have one of each operating system? I would be really interested in hearing your thoughts comparing the three.

As you can see in my signature, I run iOS , Lollipop and Windows phone 8.1 update 1.
I actually have also a couple of older Android devices.....

Every operative system has pros and cons.
Vanilla Android is the only Android iteration I can accept. I used Samsung, Acer, LG and Sony devices in the recent past and they were the main reason I don't like Android.
Windows phone is a good operative system, but it need a proper support by OEMs and apps developers to gain market share.
 
If you are an Apple stock holder then I would understand why this would make you happy. That's a great return on your investment.

But...if you're only an iPhone owner, then this should be bad news for you. Until Apple started shifting from computers to consumer products, I had never know anyone who was happy about being fleeced. Those who are rich, well, it doesn't matter does it? $600-$800 is less than what some spend for a meal at a swanky restaurant. It's nothing to them.

As someone who works for a living, the iPhone is not a good value. It's on the wrong side of the diminishing returns column. For some the little bit of improvement is worth the extra money. More power to them.:cool:

I sold an iPhone 4 for $175 a few months ago. The iPhone has an incredible return, even for the consumer, in resell value. And almost nobody pays the full out of pocket price of $600-800 either, so the return is great. Sometimes more than you even paid for the phone itself.
 
Well globally it's a different story. I guess you're from the US?

LOL...and I guess you're from Globally.

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Hopefully your landlord raises your rent or your bank increases your mortgage interest rate so it can maintain sustainability. Ditto for your insurance company, power company, cable company, cell provider. And also your healthcare,and supermarket too. If we're going to brag about and support big profits, let's make it universal.

Better Apple than Google or Samsung. ;)
 
Err, you being an Apple user presumably, you realise that the lower marketshare higher profit comes by price-gouging people like you who have sufficient disposable income not to care about the higher cost of the iPhone.

You do realize that an unsubsidized Galaxy S5 costs $600 and an iPhone 6 costs $650, right? I don't consider that extra $50 "gouging" when you factor in App availability, improved security, ecosystem integration, and resale value.
 
Android has not had the most market share for 5 years, where did you read that?

In 2010... phones with Android became the leader in smartphone market share.

That happened roughly 5 years ago. Here's a chart to explain. Any questions?

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And it crushes all in it's current market share, I do believe I stated that. What do you not understand about that? And you don't consider Apples market share to be a lot :eek: did you even read this story?

Does the word "crush" have some other meaning that I'm not aware of?

To me it means "destroy" or "obliterate"

Clearly Android hasn't been able to "destroy" Apple or the iPhone.

Android has more market share because they ship a higher percentage of units in the smartphone market.

But like I said... there are 60+ manufacturers who are now shipping a billion Android smartphones a year.

Apple... a single company... can't possibly ship that many... and thus has a lower percentage of market share.

BUT... that hasn't exactly hurt Apple in they way you'd think it does.

Apple has always been successful WITHOUT having a lot of market share.
 
Blackberry tanking, and Windows phone hanging on - managed a small increase.
I hope a third or fourth OS can take a good chunk of Android's market. Or better yet, one of these other lazy phone manufacturers STARTS WRITING THEIR OWN OS FOR THEIR HARDWARE. Don't other companies realize that's one of Apple's biggest selling points? I'm so ******* tired of **** electronics companies. It's always Apple versus the lazy, draconian, design-by-committee multinational conglaumerate.

How about giving us more than a sole quality choice for once? :rolleyes:
 
Err, you being an Apple user presumably, you realise that the lower marketshare higher profit comes by price-gouging people like you who have sufficient disposable income not to care about the higher cost of the iPhone.

Huh? Gouging?

Lets see what the actual definition of gouging that pertains to buying (and not digging) :
(a) overcharge, surcharge
(b) fleece, rob, soak, rip off. take you for a ride , take you to the cleaners
(c) to extort (obtain by coercion, intimidation, or psychological pressure)
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Variant (a) Would be true if Apple's clients would not be getting their money's worth (that's how you know a product is too expensive).
Variant (b) Would be true if Apple sold something fraudulently bad.
Variant (c) Would be true if Apple used coercion or intimidation to sell its products.

Satisfaction for Apple products are very high and sales increase so (a) is out (along with the ridiculous b or c). So, no gouging by definition.

For someone with more disposable income, many aspects have much more value to them than the cost of the phone (that's why sales don't decrease when price increases : demand is inelastic). So, for them, the cost versus value evaluation is quite different than it is for someone with less money. For them, time, after sales service, brand cachet, durability, security, simplicity, peace of mind, privacy, etc, may trump any monetary consideration.

That's why for them, a high price is not gouging... They are getting enough value from what they spend on their phone. That's all that matter.

Reasons for Apple demand being inelastic to pricing
- No substitute goods (Apple is not like the rest)
- Relatively low percentage of income in their target markets
- Brand loyalty (Built by creating an unique USP)
 
And yet again we have the reality hit, that Android is crushing ALL competitors..

Yet no doubt people will go on about how much profit Apple makes. Still doesn't equal market share though.

If Apple actually reduced some prices to sensible levels they may actually increase the market share, but as it is Android has a much much bigger target audience I think.

Yes, "crushing" it so badly that virtually all Android manufacturers are losing money and have no long term outlook on profitability. Then even the one Android OEM who is making profits just had theirs reduced to under 10% of the market. The only thing that's getting crushed are their businesses by Apple.

What good is marketshare when you have:
- Very low to zero profit, or even constant losses?
- 2nd tier development platform (iOS is still the primary development platform)
- Very low chance at long-term sustainability

Apple is just about the only ones doing it right. The practice of giving away junk devices at cost isn't sustainable long term and that's the main source of all this amazing "marketshare". It's just buying marketshare, and unlike with Windows and OS X, Android can't even become the dominate developer platform despite years of buying marketshare by its vendors. It's a failed business model and in the future we might see more Android vendors exit the market due to losses.

Apple has no reason to follow the failed model of "reducing prices to cost (buying marketshare)" as they already enjoy all the benefits of the market leader along with almost all of the profit. Honestly all they have to do maintain their position.
 
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