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I really like the look of that Samsung. Still makes the X look porky.

Having said that, Samsung phones are gross to use.

Really? I totally used to think like that (s4/s5 era) but new Touchwiz along with customizable bixby button and the hidden home button make it pretty nice to use IMO.
 
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ITT Britons complaining about the iPhone price because 1 GBP = 1.30 USD, yet when the GBP was even stronger and the iPhone was even cheaper they still complained about the price! :rolleyes:
 
All these charts, in my opinion, are more about the end of Windows Mobile, and how its former share ended between Android and iOS than a struggle between the two.

A few more years are needed to see if we will settle on shares like those or Android will eat more into iOS share.
 
What is being measured? 3 m/e Aug? That's cryptic. Even if it means 3 months ending in August, it still doesn't say what's being measured. Kantar Worldpanel's article says "portion of the mobile ecosystem market", which doesn't clear up anything. A very simple sentence could have said a whole lot.
 
Any correlation to economic conditions? How's that BRExit going there?

Although many are in denial, Brexit is proving an economic disaster. After the vote, the pound lost a lot of value against the dollar (and the euro) and it hasn't really recovered.

Most companies have delayed price hikes in the hopes that it was a short term glitch; unfortunately it hasn't been. Over time they are all having to raise their prices if the ingredients or parts they use are not made in the UK (and the UK doesn't manufacture much these days).

Apple adjusted it's pricing in the UK when it launched the new MacBooks in October last year. In one sense, I can see that it was a convenient time for them to do that. It was also their usual approach to price adjustment due to currency fluctuations: they'd do it on the launch of a 'significant' new product, but it was too much too soon for most UK consumers. The price hikes felt like unnecessary financial pain for a lot of people, particularly when all of the other manufacturers were successfully resisting that temptation, and then continued to do so for a long time after that.

As other UK posters have said, getting an iPhone 8 on contract requires a significant monthly commitment at the moment. Whether that's down to EE (one of the mobile phone companies here) or Apple, I cannot say. For previous phones you could pay more at the start and get a much reduced monthly phone bill. If you didn't renew the instant your 2 years were up, it wasn't that bad. With these monthly prices, I can well understand why people are hesitating.

I'm one of those waiting for the iPhone X, but I don't think EE have provided their proposed tariffs for that phone yet. I may not go for that model in the end. I will be VERY interested in any other phone company that provides a better monthly rate.
 
This is a clear sign that Apple is growing their base...I see Samsung growing as well, but not at the pace Apple is...Android is steadily declining with eroding margins

It would be in interesting to see the hard numbers, because I struggle to believe Apple is growing in real terms ( I am in the UK, so I know they are not here based on above), if they are, it is because other manufacturers e.g, like HTC and Sony are declining, by implication growing Apples share. Echoing some of the comments above, Apple is now very expensive here
 
Also, I can buy an S8 for around £600. The equivalent iPhone will be £1000. For £400, I can learn to live with Android, because there isn’t a massive difference now between the two OSs for most people.

Well, you’re a better person than me because I couldn’t learn to live with it.
 
This! The game is up Apple .. your products are no longer best of breed so those with half a brain are leaving you in droves - nothing to do with marketing, your price hikes have just drawn attention to the flaws and made otherwise loyal customers (like me) think about alternatives which is dangerous.

The 8 is a dinosaur compared to the S8 and people aren't convinced by the X beyond the silly gimmicks and people who must have an apple logo on something they own.

My movements over recent months/years:

Airplay > Sonos
iCloud photos > Google photos
iCloud services > Office365
iPhone > Samsung S8
Apple watch > S3 Frontier
MacBook Pro > Dell XPS15
Apple TV > Chromecast

iPad remains but frankly if I can get over the size of the Note8 that'll be next purchase and the iPad will be on the way out too.

The cost of entry, while painful, is worth it _if_ it's the best end to end experience - but it's not (for me at least) any more.

If Google can address App quality somehow .. the Android counterparts are still more buggy than iOS, and I'm talking about BIG apps like Spotify, Plex etc.. then they could do some serious damage
THIS.

For me, Win10 is still inferior to Mac OS so I'd have to Hackintosh, but dual booting would be convenient in a home-built gaming PC.

Also, my 2011 17" is still kicking and is what I STILL consider the best Mac ever built. If Apple made it again with modern internal upgrades (USB3 and USB-C/TB3, GPUs and CPUs) I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Which means I'm looking at a Razer Blade Pro instead to throw my money at when it dies, since Razer did exactly what I wanted (minus macOS, of course).

The competition is getting better and better, and sadly Apple has been spinning it's wheels.

I hope they wake up, but I think that what's going on is something different.

Apple doesn't care about the "enthusiast" anymore. They're catering to the fashion-obsessed and/or rich masses now who don't know or care that the competition is actually putting out (arguably) better products.
 
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A lot of those market share numbers are on life support. Steve Jobs has warned about that and its impact on driving away developers and killing the app market. Explains why Cook is desperate to draw in more developers but it's the wrong approach when he prices devices out reach of customers and with bad design decisions.
 
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Not very scientific but out of my group of friends which admittadly is not a huge sample, I am the only one left with an iPhone everyone else is on a Samsung of some description.

A lot of people in my office at work are moving across and to be honest with the cost of the new phones I think I will honestly be joining them. I have had my eye on the Note 8 since it was released.
 
Any correlation to economic conditions? How's that BRExit going there?

In a word, horrendously.

The economic pain is coming and the morons that voted for it have put their blinkers on. There’s a feel good story every now and then (more tourists because of a weaker currency, which is ironically what a typical brexiter hates; foreign people coming in), but the consensus for the economic outlook is gloomy to say the least. Jobs leaving, weak growth, inflation, wages not increasing in line with inflation, government austerity and poor leadership.



I think Samsung is doing quite well with the S8. I have seen an increased number of people with the S8 around me. There are some really good deals to be had on them. I’ll be switching once my 6S Plus dies.
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Not very scientific but out of my group of friends which admittadly is not a huge sample, I am the only one left with an iPhone everyone else is on a Samsung of some description.

A lot of people in my office at work are moving across and to be honest with the cost of the new phones I think I will honestly be joining them. I have had my eye on the Note 8 since it was released.

I’ve noticed the same. There’s a really big marketing push by Samsung. If I get it from someone like John Lewis I can even have decent customer support for it.
 
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Not very scientific but out of my group of friends which admittadly is not a huge sample, I am the only one left with an iPhone everyone else is on a Samsung of some description.

A lot of people in my office at work are moving across and to be honest with the cost of the new phones I think I will honestly be joining them. I have had my eye on the Note 8 since it was released.
The note 8 is only $70 cheaper then the iPhone X
 
Otherwise, the only other regression centered in Japan and accounted for just 0.1 percentage points lost by iOS between 2016 and 2017.

Not many will care I imagine, but in statistics, regression isn't a reduction, it is a trend towards a mean. A data point can increase and still be a regression if it moves closer to the mean.
 
Why have they quoted Germany, GB, Italy, France and Spain seperately, when they're covered by the EU5 category ?
 
I categorically disagree, especially about the longevity part. There's several threads discussing that very thing with iOS device slowdown with subsequent OS releases.

The software is at best a wash (Android is more capable but less smooth, efficient, and integrated).

As far as hardware it's not even close.

In the case of the Samsung Note series every iteration has had comparatively bigger and better screens, microSD expansion, headphone jack, better waterproofing rating, and more RAM, wireless charging (first), more navigation and security options, all in an attractive, sexy, slim, and often smaller package than iPhones of the same screen size.

Personal preferences and taste aside, I will never understand how iOS users can say the hardware is better with a straight face.
I wouldn't say hardware is better, it is on par, better in some areas, worse in others.

Part of the slowness on older iOS devices is due to the fact that Apple actually releases updates for devices for more than 2 years. You can't get updates to most android phones passed that.

Aside from screens, hardware is quite close, with both sides having innovations that the other side lacked first. Processors on iOS devices have always been able to match their Android rivals, and in many cases efficiencies in coding make iOS versions of software run faster on lesser hardware than their Android cousins.

RAM is moot, because iOS handles memory differently (arguably more efficiently), and despite having less, launches, loads, and runs complex applications just fine. Coincidentally, iOS doesn't have the option to automatically reboot the phone every night, where it is a feature on some Galaxy phones. Good memory management helps remove the need for iOS to need nightly reboots. Actually, with regards to memory, Samsung phones are some of the worst with managing it, as compared to other Android devices. Gotta love Touchwiz.
 
I categorically disagree, especially about the longevity part. There's several threads discussing that very thing with iOS device slowdown with subsequent OS releases.

The software is at best a wash (Android is more capable but less smooth, efficient, and integrated).

As far as hardware it's not even close.

In the case of the Samsung Note series every iteration has had comparatively bigger and better screens, microSD expansion, headphone jack, better waterproofing rating, and more RAM, wireless charging (first), more navigation and security options, all in an attractive, sexy, slim, and often smaller package than iPhones of the same screen size.

Personal preferences and taste aside, I will never understand how iOS users can say the hardware is better with a straight face.

There is no slowdown of older models. Some phones might need an erase and install. Of course, not all phones will be capable of running, say, the ARKit at a decent speed. I know several people still running the 5s.
 
ITT Britons complaining about the iPhone price because 1 GBP = 1.30 USD, yet when the GBP was even stronger and the iPhone was even cheaper they still complained about the price! :rolleyes:

It is not called "Treasure Island" for nothing - we're used to being gouged!

Admittedly I purchased a refurbished iPad Air 2, which are essentially new [after leaving my iPad 3 in the back seat of a plane] when in Las Vegas a couple of years ago for the equivelant of £290 incl Taxes [64 GB]. If I wanted to upgrade it meaningfully today in the UK, the cheapest iPad Pro is £619 - just cannot be justified
 
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Apple gets a lot of flak for "slowing" down their devices, but what people don't realize is that iPhones are supported 3+ years. Not many or any Android phones have that kind of support.
 
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I want to apologise for the UK figures. We have a lot of retards over here who just see like for like price comparisons without taking into account of import tax, 20% VAT and shipping costs. With those costs added, we pretty much pay the same as the US. It's these blinkered, single minded people that voted to stay in the EU.

To be fair though, when the Pound was stronger, the price was no lower. Apple's prices really only ever increase because of currency conversions.
 
I want to apologise for the UK figures. We have a lot of retards over here who just see like for like price comparisons without taking into account of import tax, 20% VAT and shipping costs. With those costs added, we pretty much pay the same as the US. It's these blinkered, single minded people that voted to stay in the EU.

To be fair though, when the Pound was stronger, the price was no lower. Apple's prices really only ever increase because of currency conversions.

While I think most points are valid, one is not, shipping cost per iPhone is just a very small part of the iPhone's price, I don't think it's more from China to US compared to China to the UK.
 
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