iOS past.

[C DM]

MacRumors is an Apple enthusiast website. I joined these forums to discuss my admiration for Apple as a company and their products and to also help other users with any issues they may be experiencing with their Apple products.

Instead I am greeted daily by a collective of whining,crying,bitching and moaning threads created by users who feel a sense of entitlement as if they gave Steve Jobs their personal savings to start Apple with.

I completely agree with TechGod.

It's more than just an Apple enthusiast website, even the name will pretty much give that away. That said, ignore the threads that complain and move on to other ones that you actually want to deal with. People do that with all kinds of things that they aren't interested in. Sure, there will be a time when there will be a surge in some type of threads that you might not be interested in, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist or have less right to exist just because you and some others aren't interested in them. It happens with a lot of different things. Although I would agree that in quite a few cases it would be better to consolidate various threads on the same topics--not get rid of them or post in all of them that they shouldn't exist and people shouldn't be complaining, but combine threads that are essentially about the same thing so that there aren't as many in general discussing the same things.

In fact, I would even go as far as to say if those who aren't interested in those threads would stop actually spending time posting in those threads trying to put them down it's quite likely they would die down faster as more often than not one of the main things that keeps them alive is just the arguing between those who are experiencing the issue and/or want to talk about it and others who aren't experiencing it and don't care about it simply posting to say that and in one way or another (sometimes directly/intentionally although plenty of times indirectly/unintentionally) to antagonize those who might be complaining.

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The issue is no one from Apple actually participates nor reads the threads in this forum. The pages and pages of complaints just die here.

It's a hen house of chickens just clucking away with no one to hear them.

And that's fine if that's what people want. Why does it bother someone when they can easily not care and even read let alone participate in those threads? I don't care much about iTunes for the most part so I will generally simply skip those threads, or at best read some that I might find interesting for one reason or another or just curious about but not actually post in them. I don't go around every iTunes related thread and post about how I don't care about iTunes and how people shouldn't be talking about it or this or that. Seems rather simple.

 

[Yebubbleman]

I really don't hate it on my iPad Air; but then again, the iPad Air never ran any version of iOS earlier than 7.0.3. I also think that the retina displays employed by the retina-laden iPads are probably the only displays that make that OS look close to pretty.

Where I really hate it is on the first generation iPad mini where it is both slow and ugly. I'm not all that keen on it running on the fifth generation iPod touch, but there, it's only ugly and it's more tolerable than on said iPad mini.

 

[I7guy]

iOS 7 on my iPad 2 is better than iOS 6 ever was. Since I never used IOS 6 on a phone I can't comment on the veracity of iOS 6.

But the sentiment that more people will start a thread when something doesn't strike their fancy than all is well with the world, I think is true.

 

[CB1234]

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[/COLOR]And that's fine if that's what people want. Why does it bother someone when they can easily not care and even read let alone participate in those threads? I don't care much about iTunes for the most part so I will generally simply skip those threads, or at best read some that I might find interesting for one reason or another or just curious about but not actually post in them. I don't go around every iTunes related thread and post about how I don't care about iTunes and how people shouldn't be talking about it or this or that. Seems rather simple.

Shouldn't you follow your own advice then? Why does it bother you that other members post what you call 'irrelevant posts' on other people threads? Let the member post what they think and just move on without posting any contrary comments. It does sound rather simple..

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Ha, knew this would get good when I read the first post....

I'm going start a little side business - called "Betting on Wasteland/Locked MacRumors Threads"

I'll provide the O/U on how many posts will fill the thread before it gets shut down.....

I don't give this one long.

What are the odds?? I may take a bit of a 'flutter' myself

 

[jonnyb098]

Wow... He wasn't whining, was he? He was trying to open up a discussion about whether or not a concerning number of iOS users still prefer the older version. Or did I read something wrong?

OLD argument.

 

[C DM]

Shouldn't you follow your own advice then? Why does it bother you that other members post what you call 'irrelevant posts' on other people threads? Let the member post what they think and just move on without posting any contrary comments. It does sound rather simple..

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What are the odds?? I may take a bit of a 'flutter' myself

Ah, the circular argument--it doesn't really work like that.

 

[jonnyb098]

The issue is no one from Apple actually participates nor reads the threads in this forum. The pages and pages of complaints just die here.

It's a hen house of chickens just clucking away with no one to hear them.

You really don't think Apple reads these kinds of sites? In plenty of interviews Apple executives poke fun at rumor sites and the products "you think you've seen".

Yeah, they do look at this stuff. Maybe not a lot but they do.

 

[byke]

I do think opinions trickle down.

 

[Saint.Icon]

The aggression from both sides is idiotic.

I like iOS 7 a lot - but I'm someone who greatly enjoys clean lines and flat design. I've done so for longer than iPhones have been around.

That being said, the old design wasn't horrible, and I can see why people like it. So why don't both sides respect each others' opinion? It's an operating system on mobile devices. If this is the biggest issue that you need to argue about in your life, I'd wager to say you're missing a lot of the big picture.

 

[Dented]

iOS past.

Its like this: IOS 7 is different to previous versions of IOS.

Not everyone who bought IOS in the past is going to like IOS 7. That's the nature of different. It's different to what many of those people may like.

What many of those people will equally dislike is the fact that Apple are *ok* with the fact that not every existing IOS user likes IOS 7. If they'd wanted to please all those people they wouldn't have created something radically different. The reason IOS 7 exists is because Apple have calculated that the sum total of current and *potential* new IOS 7 users is greater than that which more of the IOS 6 vein could attract. They're willing to lose some of the faithful if they end up bringing in more new people to the fold - two new former android users buying up iPhones is better than keeping one old user happy with more fake leather.

So if you're one of those who hates IOS 7, it's a shame and all but... Goodbye?

 

[Vanilla35]

So if you're one of those who hates IOS 7, it's a shame and all but... Goodbye?

We'll never leave

 

[abshole765]

Its like this: IOS 7 is different to previous versions of IOS.
So if you're one of those who hates IOS 7, it's a shame and all but... Goodbye?

So.. Don't take constructive criticism?

 

[byke]

So if people who only dislike something, gain attention.
Does this mean that only people who dislike iOS7 are visiting and commenting on this thread? Since there would be no point in iOS users who like the OS to visit this section of the forum.

 

[Armen]

So if people who only dislike something, gain attention.
Does this mean that only people who dislike iOS7 are visiting and commenting on this thread? Since there would be no point in iOS users who like the OS to visit this section of the forum.

I have been active in this forum for over a year now and through observation I have concluded that there are 3 groups of people who come here:

The Helpers:

People like myself who take time from their day to try and help users who may be experiencing issues with iOS or have general "how do I" type questions.

The Complainers:

This group will complain just about everything Apple related. The direction the company is going (even though they hold no Apple stocks), the design choices being made and then end their statement with a "Steve Jobs would not have let this happen" and yet continue to use Apple products and purchase new ones regardless.

The Help Seekers:

This group of people actually need help and will ask for it.

 

[Dented]

So.. Don't take constructive criticism?

None of this has anything to do with constructive criticism. The vast majority of griping about IOS 7 stems from the simple fact that some people just don't like the way it looks and wish it still looked like IOS 6. Wishing it to look like IOS 6 and expecting apple to do some kind of u turn based on their own subjective preference is neither constructive or helpful to anyone.

 

[abshole765]

None of this has anything to do with constructive criticism. The vast majority of griping about IOS 7 stems from the simple fact that some people just don't like the way it looks and wish it still looked like IOS 6. Wishing it to look like IOS 6 and expecting apple to do some kind of u turn based on their own subjective preference is neither constructive or helpful to anyone.

*shrug*. The issues I have with it that deal with how it looks is only the large amounts of white. All other issues have little if any to do with how it looks.

 

[C DM]

None of this has anything to do with constructive criticism. The vast majority of griping about IOS 7 stems from the simple fact that some people just don't like the way it looks and wish it still looked like IOS 6. Wishing it to look like IOS 6 and expecting apple to do some kind of u turn based on their own subjective preference is neither constructive or helpful to anyone.

I think it would be hard to tell if that's what the vast majority has an issue with. Plenty of people have some issues with how their phone started working after iOS 7, like worse or strange battery performance, worse overall responsiveness, changed usability of various things and of the overall OS (which is different than simply what it looks like), and some other things of that nature. Certainly people complain simply about the looks (like icons, etc.), but I'm not really sure that's the vast majority, especially at this point.

 

[John T]

I have been active in this forum for over a year now and through observation I have concluded that there are 3 groups of people who come here:

The Helpers:

People like myself who take time from their day to try and help users who may be experiencing issues with iOS or have general "how do I" type questions.

The Complainers:

This group will complain just about everything Apple related. The direction the company is going (even though they hold no Apple stocks), the design choices being made and then end their statement with a "Steve Jobs would not have let this happen" and yet continue to use Apple products and purchase new ones regardless.

The Help Seekers:

This group of people actually need help and will ask for it.

Interesting points However, if I may suggest one other....

The Unnecessary Posters:

These, more often than not, don't really contribute anything helpful or meaningful, and are possibly aiming to make as many posts as possible!

 

[braddick]

I have been active in this forum for over a year now and through observation I have concluded that there are 3 groups of people who come here:

The Helpers:

People like myself who take time from their day to try and help users who may be experiencing issues with iOS or have general "how do I" type questions.

The Complainers:

This group will complain just about everything Apple related. The direction the company is going (even though they hold no Apple stocks), the design choices being made and then end their statement with a "Steve Jobs would not have let this happen" and yet continue to use Apple products and purchase new ones regardless.

The Help Seekers:

This group of people actually need help and will ask for it.

I have personally concluded there are two types of MacRumors members here:

Those who break down the membership into three distinct groupings and those who don't.

 

[Armen]

I have personally concluded there are two types of MacRumors members here:

Those who break down the membership into three distinct groupings and those who don't.

but it's true. Almost everyone falls into one of those categories.

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Interesting points However, if I may suggest one other....

The Unnecessary Posters:

These, more often than not, don't really contribute anything helpful or meaningful, and are possibly aiming to make as many posts as possible!

There are more like the talk show hosts that post the "what are your thoughts" type posts as well.

 

[Dented]

I think it would be hard to tell if that's what the vast majority has an issue with. Plenty of people have some issues with how their phone started working after iOS 7, like worse or strange battery performance, worse overall responsiveness, changed usability of various things and of the overall OS (which is different than simply what it looks like), and some other things of that nature. Certainly people complain simply about the looks (like icons, etc.), but I'm not really sure that's the vast majority, especially at this point.

Well it's difficult to be scientific about it, but my impression has been that many of those with the biggest "usability" problems tend also to be those that don't like the appearance of the OS and/or hark back to the previous style for their own reasons.

IOS 7 has had bugs - but these tend to be complained about the loudest by those who resent the new OS overall and who have convinced themselves that previous versions were perfect in comparison, which is really not true at all.

 

[MonkeySee....]

No. Your bunch complains the loudest and it's getting bloody annoying for the people that enjoy iOS 7.

/thread

 

[byke]

Well it's difficult to be scientific about it, but my impression has been that many of those with the biggest "usability" problems tend also to be those that don't like the appearance of the OS and/or hark back to the previous style for their own reasons.

IOS 7 has had bugs - but these tend to be complained about the loudest by those who resent the new OS overall and who have convinced themselves that previous versions were perfect in comparison, which is really not true at all.

In reflection, would you say that iOS 6 had more bugs than 7?

 

[Dented]

In reflection, would you say that iOS 6 had more bugs than 7?

Over the course of both 6.x and 7.x life cycles I'd say they were about equal.

 

[ELMI0001]

Android is not good for my likes. And the frustration for me comes from I cant keep what I like. Its one thing to offer users the chance to upgrade, but dropping features support of old software less than a year into the new software is just a big F you from apple.

I can either upgrade to flatOS7, or go to one of the other platforms such as flatdroid or windowsflat8. I had no problem sticking to what I liked, but cmon... dropping features on iOS6 already?! Granted its expected in a few years but this soon. Its quite outrageous.

What features that were less than a year old were dropped with iOS 7?

I'm asking because I'm curious, not because I'm a huge iOS 7 fanboy. I upgraded by iPhone 4 to iOS7 after I had ordered my iPhone 5S. I figured I'd have to get used to the new look sooner than later so I jumped in.