iOS past.

[braddick]

A couple of quick thoughts in regards to the, "it's been eight months. Why are the complainers of iOS7 still talking about it?".

First, consumers complained about the "New Coke" until Coca-Cola finally acquiesced and brought back the classic, original Coke. Given time and attention product manufactures (such as Apple) can roll back.

Two, there are those who still complain about the moon landing, stating it never happened- so yeah: the true complainers know no bounds when it comes to a wherewithal to keep their arguments running strong for not just weeks or months, but years into decades.

 

[I7guy]

Sometimes a discussion of that sort isn't being sought. Other times even when it might be, plenty of of people jumping all over the thread saying "leave", "stop talking about this", etc. only serves to push those people into not caring about having a discussion when they just get ganged up on.

One posts on macrumors to presumably have a discussion. Maybe there should be a specific forum for one post rants, where the posters get to only vent and no discussion is allowed.

 

[C DM]

One posts on macrumors to presumably have a discussion. Maybe there should be a specific forum for one post rants, where the posters get to only vent and no discussion is allowed.

There can be a venting type of discussion among those who share the same kinds of issues/opinions.

 

[I7guy]

There can be a venting type of discussion among those who share the same kinds of issues/opinions.

True, but based in the community, posting a rant in this forum, where a dissenting opinion is not well received, is not the right forum.

 

[C DM]

True, but based in the community, posting a rant in this forum, where a dissenting opinion is not well received, is not the right forum.

Not sure if there's a better one really, especially when the topic is iOS 7 as well. Perhaps the problem is more on the "dissenting opinion" being "not well received" side of things.

 

[John T]

As far as the multitude of "dissenting opinion" threads are concerned. In my opinion, for some time they have not contributed anything worthwhile to discussions regarding OS 7 - apart of course, from increasing the postage counts of the regular offenders!

 

[Dented]

First, consumers complained about the "New Coke" until Coca-Cola finally acquiesced and brought back the classic, original Coke. Given time and attention product manufactures (such as Apple) can roll back.

I hate that analogy though - clearly with record sales and around 75% acceptance even on a forum attracting complainers such as this, IOS 7 is hardly Apple's "new coke" moment..

 

[deluxeshredder]

I hate that analogy though - clearly with record sales and around 75% acceptance even on a forum attracting complainers such as this, IOS 7 is hardly Apple's "new coke" moment..

iOS 7 is a far bigger failure as a product IMO, but it just had much more fierce marketing/advertising support.

 

[Dented]

iOS 7 is a far bigger failure as a product IMO, but it just had much more fierce marketing/advertising support.

I'm sorry but that's utter fantasy. There's another thread on this very forum with a poll showing that 75% of posters are happy with IOS 7 - and that's more of a failure than new coke? Spin it any way you want but IOS 7 is a success. If you want to take the line that it's all down to advertising well.. I'd have to wonder what adverts you've been watching.

 

[tinktink09is]

I haven't been that active on this forum in the past few months as quite frankly I have been less than impressed with iOS7. But my biggest surprise is the many threads that are still created or active that questions the iOS 7 user interface icons and flat design.

While I do understand that many people like it, and those who do support such a newer flat look may claim that such posts are only dominant to a select few because people who are happy won't be making such comments, but getting on with it.

But is that really true?
I have been away from the forum for a good while, and I still don't like iOS 7.
Could it be possible that people like myself who do not like the OS are also staying away from complaining ?

While I love iOS 7 and it's excellent changes and upgrades to the software...I do wish that we could [IF WANTED] go back to the "look" of iOS 6, but not lose features and enhancements that iOS has brought to us. I just miss the "traditional" iOS look sometimes...if that makes sense.

 

[braddick]

I hate that analogy though - clearly with record sales and around 75% acceptance even on a forum attracting complainers such as this, IOS 7 is hardly Apple's "new coke" moment..

The difference is Apple took the "Classic Coke" off the market (iOS6)- leaving only the purchasing of "New Coke" (iOS7).

 

[Dented]

The difference is Apple took the "Classic Coke" off the market (iOS6)- leaving only the purchasing of "New Coke" (iOS7).

But... Is that not exactly what coke did too?!

 

[braddick]

Hmmm. . . It appears you have located a flaw within my logic...

 

[C DM]

But... Is that not exactly what coke did too?!

Hmmm. . . It appears you have located a flaw within my logic...

Coke might have done that, but there were simple alternatives for people to turn to, like Pepsi or various other cola brands that were/are similar enough--just quickly and cheaply buy a different soda and you are set. Not really the case with iOS where to turn to something else requires a rather big change and investment, so mostly not realistic for a lot of people, let alone simple. So at the very least there's still a difference, and perhaps a fairly meaningful one.

 

[Alphabetize]

I strongly prefer the design aesthetic of iOS 7 to iOS 6, I am quite happy with it.

 

[BillyMatt87]

iOS 7 is Apple's Vista, so hopefully iOS 8 (or 9) will be a Windows 7-esque return-to-form for iOS. Just don't make iOS 10 Apple's Windows 8 or anything like that.

 

[Dented]

Coke might have done that, but there were simple alternatives for people to turn to, like Pepsi or various other cola brands that were/are similar enough--just quickly and cheaply buy a different soda and you are set. Not really the case with iOS where to turn to something else requires a rather big change and investment, so mostly not realistic for a lot of people, let alone simple. So at the very least there's still a difference, and perhaps a fairly meaningful one.

Well if you're arguing it's a bad analogy, that's the same point I was making, but for different reasons!

Yes Apple have some "lock in" on users, but that doesn't explain the 75% here who actively *prefer* IOS 7, and I don't believe it can explain every single sale of iPhone 5S, 5C, iPad Air etc, all of which have sold exclusively on IOS 7 with gusto. If coke drinkers had been similarly unable to buy Pepsi because of their investment in coca-cola apps or whatever, would you have expected "new coke" to have succeeded and increased sales in the same way?

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iOS 7 is Apple's Vista, so hopefully iOS 8 (or 9) will be a Windows 7-esque return-to-form for iOS. Just don't make iOS 10 Apple's Windows 8 or anything like that.

Yes it's just like Vista, except for the massive adoption rate, high user satisfaction, and obvious commercial success.

 

[C DM]

Well if you're arguing it's a bad analogy, that's the same point I was making, but for different reasons!

Yes Apple have some "lock in" on users, but that doesn't explain the 75% here who actively *prefer* IOS 7, and I don't believe it can explain every single sale of iPhone 5S, 5C, iPad Air etc, all of which have sold exclusively on IOS 7 with gusto. If coke drinkers had been similarly unable to buy Pepsi because of their investment in coca-cola apps or whatever, would you have expected "new coke" to have succeeded and increased sales in the same way?

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Yes it's just like Vista, except for the massive adoption rate, high user satisfaction, and obvious commercial success.

Well, going for new hardware from a company/ecosystem that you like overall and are invested in already often outweighs what version of the software is on it--if your stuff is already older/slower and/or you want newer stuff just because (as many people do) or you are just getting into iOS devices because you have other Apple hardware or even because you ruled out other competitors, doesn't necessarily mean that you actually love or even like (or many times even consider much) the particular version of iOS that's on it. One doesn't necessarily imply or even necessarily strongly relate to the other.

When it comes to various complaints it's often mentioned that people here represent a very tiny and "specialized" (in the sense of being fairly different from typical users) minority, so when it comes to 75% of the users here in a particular poll represent a tiny minority within that very tiny "specialized" minority. Of course that's not to say that the rest of the vast majority feel one way or another, but it's to say that a poll here wouldn't really be able to tell much about the rest of the majority--some might feel strongly that that's the case, sure, and that's totally fine, but the polls themselves can't really provide enough of a statistical support one way or another.

As for Vista, again, the comparison falls to the same kinds of things: it wasn't an almost required upgrade, all new hardware across the board wasn't sold just with it and nothing else, people could easily not only stay with different version of OS but even still go back to what they had or another version even if they did go to Vista, etc.

 

[BillyMatt87]

Well if you're arguing it's a bad analogy, that's the same point I was making, but for different reasons!

Yes Apple have some "lock in" on users, but that doesn't explain the 75% here who actively *prefer* IOS 7, and I don't believe it can explain every single sale of iPhone 5S, 5C, iPad Air etc, all of which have sold exclusively on IOS 7 with gusto. If coke drinkers had been similarly unable to buy Pepsi because of their investment in coca-cola apps or whatever, would you have expected "new coke" to have succeeded and increased sales in the same way?

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Yes it's just like Vista, except for the massive adoption rate, high user satisfaction, and obvious commercial success.

Massive adoption rate does not equal high user satisfaction. If Apple offered an option to downgrade to iOS 6, then we could truly see who likes iOS 7.

A lot of people had the update forced on them or were somehow unaware of the complete redesign and just updated thinking it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Most of the people that I know or I'm friends with have iPhones running on iOS 7 and they either hate the new OS or are are indifferent but not ecstatic about it. Not a single high praise of iOS 7 from these people. A few of them said, they wish they could go back to iOS 6 if they were able to.

I find myself in the same boat in some ways, I was an iPhone user prior to iOS 7 and never had a complaint about the UI design until 7 came along. As long as each iOS update brought new features and functionalities, I wouldn't mind if the design stayed the same because IT JUST WORKED.

While this is just a sample group and does not represent everyone, but it gave me an idea of their thoughts and opinions considering most of them aren't real that tech savvy or stay up to date with the latest trends.

I dont remember which tech blogger said it but he was damn right, iOS 7 is polarizing. You either love it or hate it but contrary to the belief of most extreme Apple fanboys and iOS 7 apologists, iOS 7 was and still is NOT the critically acclaimed runaway success they wish it was.

iOS 7 sadly broke more than it fixed and until Apple addresses this issues, get used to the complaints because they're not going away until the issues go away.

 

[I7guy]

Massive adoption rate does not equal high user satisfaction. If Apple offered an option to downgrade to iOS 6, then we could truly see who likes iOS 7.

A lot of people had the update forced on them or were somehow unaware of the complete redesign and just updated thinking it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Most of the people that I know or I'm friends with have iPhones running on iOS 7 and they either hate the new OS or are are indifferent but not ecstatic about it. Not a single high praise of iOS 7 from these people. A few of them said, they wish they could go back to iOS 6 if they were able to.

I find myself in the same boat in some ways, I was an iPhone user prior to iOS 7 and never had a complaint about the UI design until 7 came along. As long as each iOS update brought new features and functionalities, I wouldn't mind if the design stayed the same because IT JUST WORKED.

While this is just a sample group and does not represent everyone, but it gave me an idea of their thoughts and opinions considering most of them aren't real that tech savvy or stay up to date with the latest trends.

I dont remember which tech blogger said it but he was damn right, iOS 7 is polarizing. You either love it or hate it but contrary to the belief of most extreme Apple fanboys and iOS 7 apologists, iOS 7 was and still is NOT the critically acclaimed runaway success they wish it was.

iOS 7 sadly broke more than it fixed and until Apple addresses this issues, get used to the complaints because they're not going away until the issues go away.

I don't know many people who don't like IOS 7. High adoption rates also might equal user satisfaction. Out of the millions of 5S sold, combined with the update to IOS 7, no one really knows the percentage of who likes, doesn't like it, has problems, has no problems.

I disagree IOS 7 broke more than it fixed, certainly what it broke is not different than any other operating system. I certainly remember by battery life on my ipad going downhill after an ios 6 update; while I've never had an issue with battery life on IOS 7.

That you make references to IOS 7 apologists and apple fanboys in my mind, invalidates your points as you seemingly act like one of them.

 

[sualpine]

These posts are literally hilarious to me. You do realize what Monday is right? iOS 7 is dead. Apple has been working on iOS 8 for longer than iOS 7 has been public. You are complaining LITERALLY DAYS BEFORE they show you how they've improved iOS from the feedback they got the last 6 months. How about you let them show you what they've improved? Oh, that's right. It's just going to be arming the complainers with even more to moan about.

 

[Dented]

Well, going for new hardware from a company/ecosystem that you like overall and are invested in already often outweighs what version of the software is on it--if your stuff is already older/slower and/or you want newer stuff just because (as many people do) or you are just getting into iOS devices because you have other Apple hardware or even because you ruled out other competitors, doesn't necessarily mean that you actually love or even like (or many times even consider much) the particular version of iOS that's on it. One doesn't necessarily imply or even necessarily strongly relate to the other.

But given that IOS sales have not slowed *at all* and have been broadly in line with all the usual expectations, what does that tell us - that the state of the software has no effect here? None at all? In that case do we even know that anybody liked IOS 6, or 5, or 4?

Have we been overstating the importance of apple's software finesse all these years?

Or is it more likely that - for the vast majority - IOS 7 has been a worthy successor?

When it comes to various complaints it's often mentioned that people here represent a very tiny and "specialized" (in the sense of being fairly different from typical users) minority, so when it comes to 75% of the users here in a particular poll represent a tiny minority within that very tiny "specialized" minority. Of course that's not to say that the rest of the vast majority feel one way or another, but it's to say that a poll here wouldn't really be able to tell much about the rest of the majority--some might feel strongly that that's the case, sure, and that's totally fine, but the polls themselves can't really provide enough of a statistical support one way or another.

Ok, so let's discount the evidence from forums like this. That means ignoring the poll results; it also means ignoring the complaints and anecdotes about friends not liking it etc etc, and of course not being swayed by our extremely subjective experience and opinion.

What then, accepting all of that, is the evidence that IOS 7 has been anything but an unqualified success? Is it poor sales? Has there been a measurable dip in user satisfaction? Has adoption been a problem? If you ignore the opinion of these forums (which for all the complaints still categorically prefer IOS 7) what possible argument is there for comparing it to "new coke"?

As for Vista, again, the comparison falls to the same kinds of things: it wasn't an almost required upgrade, all new hardware across the board wasn't sold just with it and nothing else, people could easily not only stay with different version of OS but even still go back to what they had or another version even if they did go to Vista, etc.

So the comparison doesn't work - so it can't be "Apple's Vista" then?

 

[C DM]

But given that IOS sales have not slowed *at all* and have been broadly in line with all the usual expectations, what does that tell us - that the state of the software has no effect here? None at all? In that case do we even know that anybody liked IOS 6, or 5, or 4?

Have we been overstating the importance of apple's software finesse all these years?

Or is it more likely that - for the vast majority - IOS 7 has been a worthy successor?



Ok, so let's discount the evidence from forums like this. That means ignoring the poll results; it also means ignoring the complaints and anecdotes about friends not liking it etc etc, and of course not being swayed by our extremely subjective experience and opinion.

What then, accepting all of that, is the evidence that IOS 7 has been anything but an unqualified success? Is it poor sales? Has there been a measurable dip in user satisfaction? Has adoption been a problem? If you ignore the opinion of these forums (which for all the complaints still categorically prefer IOS 7) what possible argument is there for comparing it to "new coke"?




So the comparison doesn't work - so it can't be "Apple's Vista" then?

The point really is that it's hard to separate or gleam all that much about something specific like just and iOS version when you have all those mentioned things in play affecting it all. I'm saying iOS 7 is a failure and I'm not saying it's a runway success, there are just too many fairly unique variables in this kind of Apple equation that is different enough from many others to truly make a definitive determination specifically one way or another without at least something else (if not multiple other things) having at least some role if not even a fairly important role behind it, again, more so than with many other things that are set up differently. And yes that's why various analogies and comparisons when it comes to this type of thing don't fit in well in one way or another. They might to make a generalized/rhetorical point appear more prominent somehow, but that's mostly as far as something like that can really go.

 

[cambookpro]

These posts are literally hilarious to me. You do realize what Monday is right? iOS 7 is dead. Apple has been working on iOS 8 for longer than iOS 7 has been public. You are complaining LITERALLY DAYS BEFORE they show you how they've improved iOS from the feedback they got the last 6 months. How about you let them show you what they've improved? Oh, that's right. It's just going to be arming the complainers with even more to moan about.

Someone.... Speaking sense?

Shhh, you're not really allowed around here!

 

[abshole765]

Yes it's just like Vista, except for the massive adoption rate, high user satisfaction, and obvious commercial success.

I wouldn't exactly call forcing a unremovable download on users, or a forced install of an OS if your phone gets damaged "a massive adoption rate"

These posts are literally hilarious to me. You do realize what Monday is right? iOS 7 is dead. Apple has been working on iOS 8 for longer than iOS 7 has been public. You are complaining LITERALLY DAYS BEFORE they show you how they've improved iOS from the feedback they got the last 6 months. How about you let them show you what they've improved? Oh, that's right. It's just going to be arming the complainers with even more to moan about.

I look at this post similar to the "it's a beta posts"