I think you'll get more than 50 bucks for the iPad 1st gen. The freaking original iPhone still is selling for at least 100 on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iphone-2G...0597066932?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35b0a800b4
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I think you'll get more than 50 bucks for the iPad 1st gen. The freaking original iPhone still is selling for at least 100 on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iphone-2G...0597066932?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35b0a800b4
I am not sure what you mean by saved to memory. All of the above apps are open in the toolbar (after double clicking it to check) as I am typing this right now.
As I stated, I have never ever received a memory error/warning before on this iPad.
My intelligence is not insulted, I hope we are on the same page in terms of open/memory usage.
The problem is that your post confuses the issue. The multitasking/recently-used bar tells you nothing about which Apps are actually in memory. Currently I've got nearly 100 Apps in my bar and I'm sure that not all of them are in memory!
The only way to find out what is currently in memory is with a third party App such as iMemoryGraph. This currently shows that I have 6 App processes running and a whole bunch of system processes. The extra memory in iPad 2 will allow a lot more Apps to stay in memory instead of having to be reloaded when you go back to them.
All right, so how to you suggest we force our apps in true memory to test? I understand what you are saying, but I think I am being pretty clear in my explanation. He never mentions a third party app to test mem usage.
Really, this is off topic anyway.
Nothing lost
For those of us who mainly use the iPad for reading, music, movies, and only the simplest of games ... One could argue that we haven't lost anything. The iPad1 will still do all of these things a year or two from now. I don't think anyone is arguing that the iPad 2 isn't faster...just that the iPad1 is still fast enough and a great alternative if you would like to save some money. I intend to use my iPad 1 for at least a year, likely longer. By then something better will come along, then I will pass this one down to family or friend who will be more than happy to take it off my hands. You can't put a price on happiness.
For those of us who mainly use the iPad for reading, music, movies, and only the simplest of games ... One could argue that we haven't lost anything. The iPad1 will still do all of these things a year or two from now. I don't think anyone is arguing that the iPad 2 isn't faster...just that the iPad1 is still fast enough and a great alternative if you would like to save some money. I intend to use my iPad 1 for at least a year, likely longer. By then something better will come along, then I will pass this one down to family or friend who will be more than happy to take it off my hands. You can't put a price on happiness.
Unless you're jailbroken you can't force Apps to stay in memory, it's up to the OS to decide which Apps should stay in memory. Testing how much an advantage iPad 2 has over iPad 1 is difficult because the memory Apps use can vary widely. My suggestion would be:-
1. Reboot an iPad 1 and an iPad 2.
2. Start the same 15 or 20 Apps on both. Make sure all the Apps are the same version, are logged into the same accounts and are displaying the same content.
3. Start iMemoryGraph or similar and count up how many processes are still running.
I don't know how the first poster decided now many Apps he actually had in memory. However on my iPad 1 it is definitely noticable when an App has to reload as it takes several seconds longer to start up. I also don't think it is particularly off topic; the number of Apps you can keep in memory is one advantage iPad 2 has over iPad 1.
I'll admit, I've having serious withdrawals since selling my old iPad, especially with the 64GB 3G deal for $529, but the big issue for me is resale value. In a years time when the iPad 3 comes out and I'll undoubtedly want one, I'll get much less for the iPad 1 than for the iPad 2. That's the only reason I'm turning down a top of the line iPad 1 for $100 less than a bottom of the line 3G iPad 2. 64GB could hold a lot of movies..
Just because the iPad 1 is cheaper, it doesn't mean its a better value.
Tbh, I like the iPad 1 more than 2, but I know if I get the 1st gen then Im pretty much putting myself in a timetight bubble because in 5-6 months there wont be much going on for iPad 1.
Tbh, I like the iPad 1 more than 2, but I know if I get the 1st gen then Im pretty much putting myself in a timetight bubble because in 5-6 months there wont be much going on for iPad 1.
Yes, the $529 64GB 3G from AT&T is a very good deal. I sold my 6 mo. old 64GB 3G iPad 1 for $550 the day after iPad 2 was announced. I guess their value has continued to drop.
So lets look at two scenarios for people looking at an iPad now and wanting an iPad 3 next April (or whenever):
Pick the iPad 1 16GB for $399. (yes you could get a used or refurb and save $50-75 bucks. But that is not apples to apples with an iPad 2) Then next April you sell it for $150. I came to that value estimate by looking at 2 year old iPod touch's that go for about 50% of their new value. As you can see, the iPad has lost 50%+ of it's value used in just a year so it will drop by more than that. $150-175 MAX sounds about right. So $399-150=$249 for use of the ipad for 1 year.
Pick the iPad 2 at 16GB for $499. Sell it next April for $250 which is about what used iPad 1's are going for on Craigslist. You might get a bit more but not much. So $499-$250=$249.
So whether you choose the iPad 1 or iPad 2, you will lose about $250 over the next year. Now maybe you can sell your old iPad 1 for $200 and not $150? Good for you. You saved $50 and used the iPad 1 instead of the iPad 2 all year.
So for $0-$50 more you get:
- Significantly thinner
- Somewhat lighter
- double the memory=faster loading of apps in memory, fewer slow downs and stutters
- Faster at everything, but especially browsing. I have had both, and it is a nice improvement.
- Crappy cameras if you need them. But Facetime on it is nice due to the large screen.
- Better gaming which may mean something to some people but not me.
So if you plan to resell and buy iPad 3, you can save $0-$50 by getting iPad 1 now. To me, even if you come out $100 ahead after the year by buying a refurb instead of a new one is it worth it to you? $100? Not to me.
Now if you plan to hand it down and not resell it you can save $100-250 now by choosing iPad 1. But if you have the money to hand the old one down and buy new again in a year do you really care about $100-$250?
If you only have $350-400 then I understand. But to say iPad 1 is a better value than iPad 2 is not accurate for me. I don't think it is accurate for most people. We are talking about a net of $0-100.
So lets look at two scenarios for people looking at an iPad now and wanting an iPad 3 next April (or whenever):
Pick the iPad 1 16GB for $399. (yes you could get a used or refurb and save $50-75 bucks. But that is not apples to apples with an iPad 2) Then next April you sell it for $150. I came to that value estimate by looking at 2 year old iPod touch's that go for about 50% of their new value. As you can see, the iPad has lost 50%+ of it's value used in just a year so it will drop by more than that. $150-175 MAX sounds about right. So $399-150=$249 for use of the ipad for 1 year.
Pick the iPad 2 at 16GB for $499. Sell it next April for $250 which is about what used iPad 1's are going for on Craigslist. You might get a bit more but not much. So $499-$250=$249.
So whether you choose the iPad 1 or iPad 2, you will lose about $250 over the next year. Now maybe you can sell your old iPad 1 for $200 and not $150? Good for you. You saved $50 and used the iPad 1 instead of the iPad 2 all year.
So for $0-$50 more you get:
- Significantly thinner
- Somewhat lighter
- double the memory=faster loading of apps in memory, fewer slow downs and stutters
- Faster at everything, but especially browsing. I have had both, and it is a nice improvement.
- Crappy cameras if you need them. But Facetime on it is nice due to the large screen.
- Better gaming which may mean something to some people but not me.
So if you plan to resell and buy iPad 3, you can save $0-$50 by getting iPad 1 now. To me, even if you come out $100 ahead after the year by buying a refurb instead of a new one is it worth it to you? $100? Not to me.
Now if you plan to hand it down and not resell it you can save $100-250 now by choosing iPad 1. But if you have the money to hand the old one down and buy new again in a year do you really care about $100-$250?
If you only have $350-400 then I understand. But to say iPad 1 is a better value than iPad 2 is not accurate for me. I don't think it is accurate for most people. We are talking about a net of $0-100.
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I understand perfectly where you're coming from. Its the same with any computer you buy. You buy the latest, greatest, fastest there is, and in one or two months it becomes old news in the tech world. If someone is strictly looking to buy an iPad for resale value, then they should be looking at version 2. However if you're just looking to get a good device to do simple things, that aren't likely to change over the next year, I still think iPad 1 is a good value. Up graders will always want the latest devices. I'm going to enjoy my iPad 1 for however long, and will look to upgrade when version 3 or 4 comes along.
Lets do a repost of this thread in 6 months and see what everyone with the original iPad thinks. Probably close to the same way the people who went to a 3GS instead of an iPhone 4 last year feel about now.
Do you really think that the primary apps that most consumers use (Mail, Safari, etc.) will suddenly need dual cores and twice the graphics power? Or Pages, which I use for writing? I don't think so. No one can really provide a solid answer the question because to each individual the answer is different. There are people still using computers running Windows 95 after all. At some point you will be in fact crippled by having old technology, but that doesn't happen in just six months unless you bought a device already underpowered for your needs.
For some iPad 1 is a better value right now, and for others 2 is. You just need to accurately access your own needs.
Most consumers will use games. I think it was also 9x the graphic power boost too.
There are very VERY VERY VERY VERY few people in the world who are literally 'using windows 95'. I think that 'point' is a complete exaggeration. Maybe if you said "People are still using Windows XP" - then you'd have a point.
No one is sitting here saying that the original iPad will be completely outdated. I like to think that most people on the forums are thinking back to when they didn't upgrade to the iPhone 3GS from the 3G and missed out on a years worth of developers bustin' their butts for sweet features. Pretty sure everyone w/a 3GS gets pissed when an update is released with 'retina support' too.
3 years later - the iPhone 3G is pretty much useless IMO. The same way the original iPad will be pretty soon.
I completely agree. If you want to play games. It doesn't matter. I do understand the point you're trying to make but it's not too huge of a price gap to be going with an outdated product. I wonder if your mind will change in 6 months.
LOL well we could do that, but some of us are still going to feel the same way. Our hdmi tv is only 720p and both my husband and myself still use our old Motorola Razor phones... Very doubtful I'll change my mind. However, if you find more value in iPad 2, then by all means upgrade.
Gadgets in my house...
G4 iBook - its slow but still works, my hubby uses it to check his email
Macbook white - first universal Macbook they made I believe - son uses this one mostly
Apple TV - first model - just sits there unused really
i7 Quad Core Windows based computer - for gaming
Why am I posting all of this? ... I suppose I'm posting it to show you that some of us still find value in the old things we own. We don't all need the latest and greatest to get enjoyment out of what we have. I highly doubt 6 months will make a difference for me personally. However if you feel the iPad 2 better suits your needs, then that is what you should buy. I certainly won't try to talk you out of it.
So do you think is is outdated or not?
The 3G iPhone comparison is not relevant as it is almost a 4 year old phone.
I think that the software versions for at least the next 2 years keep the iPad a very capable product for the price now. Furthermore, although your point may be valid in the gaming category; most users I encounter (business and personal) utilize the product for other resources. I.E. Mail, web, PDF, news, vids, etc .
To believe that a vastly superior product such as iPad 1 as of 1 week ago is now on the verge of oblivion is just untrue. Apples price structure may indeed mirror the iPad 1 next year with this new iPad still does not negate the fact that on a cost basis this is not a true bargain for most users who have not even purchased their first tablet.
Many can and will argue that the iPad 2 is vastly superior in many ways; that's fine. I however see it as a less attractive bump; one of the weakest looking as well. I also find that the build quality of the first gen to be vastly superior to the new one.
Be that as it may, people always see things differently and that's the beauty of our individuality. If many feel that the new and nearly impossible to get iPad 2 is the better deal, great- but in this instance; and a rare one for me at that (I did skip the 3G iPhone as well) I still call this one a pass.
But all is well; Apple will get my money either way.
is it just me or apple QA is terrible. I am on my second first gen iPad 32gb wifi. The first unit had 2+ dead pixel and second one I was given today also also has 2+ dead pixel
No, Apple's QA is the highest in the industry. You just had some bad luck.
$50!?!? Hahahahahahahahahaha! Are you insane?!
iPad 1 to 2 is more like 3G to 3GS. And the result was 'meh'.
Agree, iPad 1 will be worth $150-200.
Totally disagree about the difference between the 3G and 3GS. At the time people said "meh" but ask them now. The 3G is nearly useless on OS 4 and is now dead since no future versions of iOS will run on it.
3GS is still good for another year. The iPad 1 v iPad 2 will probably be the same and that is a big difference. Unless you are planning to upgrade to 3 for sure then it doesn't matter.
Regardless, you will shell out $100-250 more for an iPad 2 today over an iPad one. But when you upgrade you will have. $100-200 more in resale so the net difference is pretty small. I think the added features and longevity make the 2 the better deal unless you are really stretching to afford an iPad to begin with.
the funny part about this is the ipad 1 hasn't even been out for an entire year yet and people are already saying it's gonna die off? lol wow.
TIGRES, I see what you're saying relative to the pricing of the iPad 1 vs iPad 2. But I'm kinda confused why so many people feel this is only a minor bump (iPad 1.5) instead of a major upgrade.
In my mind, a minor bump consists of (minor) hardware upgrades only. Increased ram/processor.
iPad 2 has 2x's the RAM and the new A5 processor, and supposedly up to 9X's the graphics performance. Those specs sound considerable to me... Now if these were the only upgrades in the iPad 2 I would probably say the same thing...
but, the thing got a completely new design, and while the ascetics of physical design comes down to opinion, the fact that it is 15% lighter and 33% thinner is a huge improvement. You have to remember that this devices main constraint is it's weight and size, unlike a laptop which is resting on a surface for the majority of it's use, tablets are held for long periods of time.
It also got 2 cameras (of course). This was such an expected upgrade that no one seems to remember that it is in fact an upgrade. And yes the cameras quality is subpar, but I don't think anyone is going to the using the cams for anything that requires high quality.
Then there's the smart covers. Gimmicky? Idk, I actually really like the concept, protect the most important part (the screen) with the least added weight and thickness. Add an invisible shield on the back and you're set
So...
1. Considerable upgrade to speed and performance
2. Redesigned form (w Reduced weight and thickness)
3. 2 added cameras (w FaceTime of course) & a gyro
4. Smart covers (bonus!)
Seems like a fairly substantial upgrade to me. I think people saw that the display wasn't enhanced in any way and immediately wrote this iPad off as a minor upgrade. I think the iPad's display looks beautiful and it would be one of the last things that I would want improved. Besides a enhanced display, what is the iPad 2 missing that is keeping it from being a full fledged upgrade? I think people may just be getting too greedy/unrealistic.
I agree, the original iPad is a get device and a great value right now, but for an extra $100-150, it's a no brainer. I couldn't imagine purchasing an iPad 1 right now. It's only going to seem more sluggish as developers take advantage of the iPad 2's hardware. And forget any app that uses the camera & gyro, your SOL with iPad 1.
So, thinner, lighter, twice the RAM, upgraded processor, 2 cameras, gyro and a nifty cove... definitely justify 150 dollars in my book.
In my mind, a minor bump consists of (minor) hardware upgrades only. Increased ram/processor.
iPad 2 has 2x's the RAM and the new A5 processor, and supposedly up to 9X's the graphics performance. Those specs sound considerable to me... Now if these were the only upgrades in the iPad 2 I would probably say the same thing...
but, the thing got a completely new design, and while the ascetics of physical design comes down to opinion, the fact that it is 15% lighter and 33% thinner is a huge improvement. You have to remember that this devices main constraint is it's weight and size, unlike a laptop which is resting on a surface for the majority of it's use, tablets are held for long periods of time.
It also got 2 cameras (of course). This was such an expected upgrade that no one seems to remember that it is in fact an upgrade. And yes the cameras quality is subpar, but I don't think anyone is going to the using the cams for anything that requires high quality.
Then there's the smart covers. Gimmicky? Idk, I actually really like the concept, protect the most important part (the screen) with the least added weight and thickness. Add an invisible shield on the back and you're set
So...
1. Considerable upgrade to speed and performance
2. Redesigned form (w Reduced weight and thickness)
3. 2 added cameras (w FaceTime of course) & a gyro
4. Smart covers (bonus!)
Seems like a fairly substantial upgrade to me. I think people saw that the display wasn't enhanced in any way and immediately wrote this iPad off as a minor upgrade. I think the iPad's display looks beautiful and it would be one of the last things that I would want improved. Besides a enhanced display, what is the iPad 2 missing that is keeping it from being a full fledged upgrade? I think people may just be getting too greedy/unrealistic.
I agree, the original iPad is a get device and a great value right now, but for an extra $100-150, it's a no brainer. I couldn't imagine purchasing an iPad 1 right now. It's only going to seem more sluggish as developers take advantage of the iPad 2's hardware. And forget any app that uses the camera & gyro, your SOL with iPad 1.
So, thinner, lighter, twice the RAM, upgraded processor, 2 cameras, gyro and a nifty cove... definitely justify 150 dollars in my book.
try up to $300 price difference for high end model. if rumors are true, ipad 3 will be out before you know it and you'll be SOL with your ipad 2TIGRES, I see what you're saying relative to the pricing of the iPad 1 vs iPad 2. But I'm kinda confused why so many people feel this is only a minor bump (iPad 1.5) instead of a major upgrade.
In my mind, a minor bump consists of (minor) hardware upgrades only. Increased ram/processor.
iPad 2 has 2x's the RAM and the new A5 processor, and supposedly up to 9X's the graphics performance. Those specs sound considerable to me... Now if these were the only upgrades in the iPad 2 I would probably say the same thing...
but, the thing got a completely new design, and while the ascetics of physical design comes down to opinion, the fact that it is 15% lighter and 33% thinner is a huge improvement. You have to remember that this devices main constraint is it's weight and size, unlike a laptop which is resting on a surface for the majority of it's use, tablets are held for long periods of time.
It also got 2 cameras (of course). This was such an expected upgrade that no one seems to remember that it is in fact an upgrade. And yes the cameras quality is subpar, but I don't think anyone is going to the using the cams for anything that requires high quality.
Then there's the smart covers. Gimmicky? Idk, I actually really like the concept, protect the most important part (the screen) with the least added weight and thickness. Add an invisible shield on the back and you're set
So...
1. Considerable upgrade to speed and performance
2. Redesigned form (w Reduced weight and thickness)
3. 2 added cameras (w FaceTime of course) & a gyro
4. Smart covers (bonus!)
Seems like a fairly substantial upgrade to me. I think people saw that the display wasn't enhanced in any way and immediately wrote this iPad off as a minor upgrade. I think the iPad's display looks beautiful and it would be one of the last things that I would want improved. Besides a enhanced display, what is the iPad 2 missing that is keeping it from being a full fledged upgrade? I think people may just be getting too greedy/unrealistic.
I agree, the original iPad is a get device and a great value right now, but for an extra $100-150, it's a no brainer. I couldn't imagine purchasing an iPad 1 right now. It's only going to seem more sluggish as developers take advantage of the iPad 2's hardware. And forget any app that uses the camera & gyro, your SOL with iPad 1.
So, thinner, lighter, twice the RAM, upgraded processor, 2 cameras, gyro and a nifty cove... definitely justify 150 dollars in my book.
Yeah, that's what they said about the 3G.... A 2-3 year old phone. And look at the 8GB iPod 3rd Gen that was really a 2nd Gen (slower than the 3rd).
Both no more software updates and stuck with reduced feature sets.
Again, if you are upgrading next year that doesn't matter much except it will kill your resale value. That is why the net premium for buying the 2 now is not more than a hundred bucks or so (and that is generous). And to me the improved features are worth a hundred bucks.
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iPad 1 is a steal. Depending on your use the iPad 1 could be a greater value. But who doesn't want the latest and greatest. Apple just keeps a step ahead of that competition.
iPad 1 is a steal. Depending on your use the iPad 1 could be a greater value. But who doesn't want the latest and greatest. Apple just keeps a step ahead of that competition.