There's no way to sell an iPhone 4 with a retina display for $199 too...There's no way an iPod touch with retina display can be priced at $225. There's just no way 8GB ram for my macbook can be had for a mere $80. There's no way SSD's (512GB) can be had for ...oh wait ..
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iPad 2 to have only 1-megapixel camera??? Are you F kidding me???
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There's no way to sell an iPhone 4 with a retina display for $199 too...There's no way an iPod touch with retina display can be priced at $225. There's just no way 8GB ram for my macbook can be had for a mere $80. There's no way SSD's (512GB) can be had for ...oh wait ..
Agreed. It's a Touch, nothing extremely fancy (still cool, just...), and iPods have never been known to have great cameras (think 5G iPod Nano). I see the iPhone and iPad as more high-end devices - I hate the 1MP evidence. I really hope Apple doesn't follow through with this.
This. ^ Again, though, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a higher resolution one (5MP?). This better just be a place-holder to throw off competition...
The highest-resolution digital photographs ever (so far) produced were made by a one-megapixel camera! The cameras capable of shooting such amazing photographs were on the two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity. The secret for Spirit and Opportunity has to do with the custom-made, incredible lenses that were attached to those cameras, and the huge size of the CCD itselfover four times the size on an average consumer camera. So the pixels themselves are huge, hitting a huge CCD, resulting in super-high resolution photographs.
See http://thediscerningphotographer.com/2010/01/26/megapixel-mania/ for the full story.
See http://thediscerningphotographer.com/2010/01/26/megapixel-mania/ for the full story.
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I always assumed it would get the cheaper cameras of the Touch to keep prices down. It is a marginal feature on a tablet anyway, the cheaper cameras for facetime will satisfy most people.
I hope this rumor is correct and Apple puts in the cheaper Touch cameras to keep the $499 price point.
Indeed, as if they put the iPhone4 5MP unit it would push the price way up to around $506
I think you need to stop taking seriously these component prices which people seem to pull out thin air.
Also you have to consider that the cost of a component is a small part in the total price (research and development, labour, transport, inventory etc.). Thus a $5 component may end up costing the customer several times more in real terms.
Indeed, or course.
But I'm not talking about not having something against having something.
I'm talking about a price difference.
If an iPad1 has no camera, to fit a $4 camera then Apple would pass on the cost the the consumer for the $4, plus the mark up they wish to add on top.
Change the $4 component cost to $9 component cost, then how much more would it be for the consumer?
While that is true to some degree, this would be a component already R&Ded and currently in use by Apple.
I'm sure Apple will have a line in the sand in terms of total component costs. The basic version of the original iPad apparently cost circa $250 in terms of total component cost.
Maybe - just maybe - they're trying to stick to the same total component cost this time round while providing a faster CPU, more RAM, an improved screen and 2 cameras. All of which will bite into the total component cost.
Oh wait. iPhone is not 199 dollars because that is subsidized price. Full retail price is 599 dollars. All u see is numbers and u don't know how that works. 8th ram on ur MacBook pro has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
iPod touchmretina display is not as same as iPad retina display. iPad retina display is 3.5 compare to ipad's9.7 inch with much higher resolution. Wait... U honestly fail at being sarcastic.
Apple isn't a charity company and they hav no reason to give up their high margins. U are dreaming too much.
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No. Apple understands the importance of pricepoints.
So they will maintain their price will adding two lower priced camera and bumping up the RAM. That is already eating into margins.
They aren't going to lose another Three Hundred Million Dollars this year to give you a better camera when it isn't an issue for most people.
Price points?
Have you seen the UK prices? They are all over the place and don't hit any magic numbers:
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
If Apple get too cocky and underspec too much they will start losing sales to other tablet makers and will lose far more than the figure you are talking about in the long run.
I think you are. Apple said they're ready to fight off competition - it'd be better to have a slightly lower margin on the device, where they could then say, spec it with a Retina Display (not 326ppi!) and dominate the market, making up for "loses" with next year's iPad 3.
I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to figure all this stuff out. We'll see, we'll see.
That's because the VAT rate in the UK changed two and a half weeks ago and Apple haven't absorbed the increase. Before the increase, the prices were more sensible, and I'm sure when products get refreshed they'll have better price points too.
We will see
I hope you are right about "Better price points"
Apple need to realise it's far better to get customers on board and buying iPad's at any price, and collecting apps than it is to get a little extra short term profit.
Once you have hooked a customer, and they have paid out for a large collection of apps, it's far less lightly they will throw it all away to change platforms.
If I was Apple I'd do everything I could to lower prices and get my tablet into as many hands as possible.
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NICE image of the view camera.
That is exactly what I have been trying to say. I am not wanting the iPad to replace my D3, but a GOOD camera on the iPad would be golden. It would be so awesome. Anybody who has ever shopped for a camera knows that smaller is not definitely better. My Nikon D3 handles very well BECAUSE it is so big. Ot is easy to hold on to. I would LOVE I f the iPad 2 came in at 8mp or 10+, etc.
The ability to compose on screen with an 10"...oh my gosh. And with Apples industry leading and innovate incamera HDR...would be nothing short of amazing.
I bought a itouch 4 when it first came out to compliment the my iPad. I am stuck on sprint, so an iPhone has never been an option. I have an old iphone Original that I bought just for the camera.
Well, the touch sucked worse than the original iPhone in side by side comparison shots. The touch went back as fast as I could get it back to the store. What a lost opportunity by Apple. I truly believe that Apple could have competed with the P&S camera market with a iPhone4 camera on the touch. They blew it, big time. There is no other device on the market, other than the other smart phones that are pushing the camera development hard. I think it is a great trend...I teach high school photography and watch the emerging market for what students could be buying or using for their photos with great interest...also for myself.
Apple could have blown the market wide open with a really good P&S camera that also doubled as an Internet browser, YouTube, Facebook, gps, dream machine.
Actually, I kind of saw this coming...or at least decided that if I went ahead and got an iPhone 4 now, even with no phone service, that it would mitigate my compulsiveness to want/need a replacement to my iPad 3g 64. And that is exactly what I did.
I still reserved the option that if Apple blew the market wide open with a wonderful camera for the iPad, that I would still consider getting it.
But if Apple releases this with such a substandard camera, that may just be the stupidest thing Apple has ever done!!
I think what Apple needs to do, is put the cost reduced camera in the standard models and have $999 model that has all the bells and whistles for the price is no object crowd that keep whining that it doesn't have 5 MP, and doesn't have 128MB etc. So put it a top camera and 128MB and sell it for $999 for the 1% that whine about such things.
This is going to be really funny after they sell another 10 million of them. Congrats on your iphone 4, I know I like mine. And as you would know, a 8-10 mp sensor in it would need decent optics to perform well. Which would add thickness, the anathema of steve jobs.
But in all seriousness, the same sensor from the iphone 4 would be great, but obviously not needed to sell millions of these. I would rather they made a thicker iphone 4 with zoom and decent optics and a larger sensor.
While we're dreaming, why not have Apple cram a RED epic sensor into the ipad 2. I wouldn't mind the added 5 lbs, and the 8 inches of added thickness, if they could get it down to 499, or heck 999 it would actually revolutionize the way people take pictures and video and we could all view it on the new screen, which they could resize up to 5120 x 2700 so we could view the full frames. We could all make films that would rival the visual quality of the best hollywood films. http://www.red.com/products/epic
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Same people when iPod touch got a 0.7MP camera.
It's not a ****ing DSLR, but not 1MP, come on.
Nope it is continuing the pattern of Apple doing the smart thing. People like you just don't matter. You are part of an insignificant minority.
If you represented a significant population, then Touch 4 sales would have tanked.
But they didn't, Touch 4, set a new record with 27% sales increase.
It will be the same with iPad. But hey you can go spend $800 on a Xoom for a better camera. Apple won't exactly be quaking in their boots over your loss.
Are you really trying to say that the ability to compose a shot on a 10" screen would be revolutionary? How is it much different than composing on something smaller?
The sooner you realize that Apple is not in the camera business the better. For someone that apparently teaches photography, I would expect you to extol the virtues of shooting with a real dedicated camera rather than looking for some gimmicky add on to some swiss army like electronic device.
How so? If a camera was so critical for iPad sales, how did they manage to sell so many already?