LOL. Retina display? People still live in a dream world. Retina Display means nothing without fast CPU, fast GPU and strong Ram to back it up. There is no way apple will sell Retina display iPad at 499 dollars base price point. Keep dreaming.
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iPad 2 to have only 1-megapixel camera??? Are you F kidding me???
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LOL. Retina display? People still live in a dream world. Retina Display means nothing without fast CPU, fast GPU and strong Ram to back it up. There is no way apple will sell Retina display iPad at 499 dollars base price point. Keep dreaming.
The 1MP was likely a placeholder, or a special mode for the camera, like full-zoom. I would suspect that the iPad 2 would have the same, if not higher MPs than the iPhone 4. Then the iPhone 5 would improve on that.
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LMAO, do you know much it costs to manufacture an iPad? http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Mid-RangeiPadtoGenerateMaximumProfitsforApple,iSuppliEstimates.aspx
Do you realize the profit margin? And if Apple did crazy things like you said for the extra 1$ profit, iPad would've had 64MB/128MB RAM...
Stay classy with the name-calling.
I, for one, have been happy with my iPad since release day, and don't plan on upgrading (don't really see the need for the camera in my life, but won't deny others may want it). Sorry you have to have the latest and greatest in all your prould've made 1$oducts, but that's never been the Apple way. And as for the price arould've made 1$gument, the lack of a camera in the first generation didn't dissuade the many purchasers this past 10 months).
I love the cycle of hype...release...compaints about what should have been included...wildly inflated speculation about what the next generation will include...hype...release...
Well Apple's iOS and AppStore are very good. They're polished and thats the reason why Apple products outsell every other product. We all know camera on a tablet doesn't make sense but we do expect something descent when everyone else is offering...
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None of you anti-camera crybabies can justify your stance or lack the imagination to consider possibilities offered by higher grade cameras. This post is a good example. Yes, believe it or not, more pixels can make video chat better because the downscaled image resolution can be done using binning, thus increasing the sensitivity while reducing exposure time needed for video.
Why do you get so upset if Apple adds a camera to the iPad? Just because it doesn't appeal to you now, it certainly does to others... and maybe you would change your mind as creative uses for the camera develop.
I cannot believe how biased some people are in this thread....
Based on what I see, apple is definitely trying to maintain 499 dollars base price of iPad and they are trying to stay competitive to others in specs.
ipad is not an iphone. With iphone, apple gets money from carriers to cover the costs. With iPad no, they don't.
They are on a budget here.
1 megapixel camera is all you need to some face chat. You will not get 5 megapixel camera like you do on the iphone. Pay more then. Tell apple you will pay more, then maybe they can snap in retina display and 5 megapixel camera.
Based on what I see, apple is definitely trying to maintain 499 dollars base price of iPad and they are trying to stay competitive to others in specs.
ipad is not an iphone. With iphone, apple gets money from carriers to cover the costs. With iPad no, they don't.
They are on a budget here.
1 megapixel camera is all you need to some face chat. You will not get 5 megapixel camera like you do on the iphone. Pay more then. Tell apple you will pay more, then maybe they can snap in retina display and 5 megapixel camera.
Thankyou. I'm not sure why I both anymore but here I go again. The viewfinder on this camera will be ~4 times bigger than any digital portable device that has ever shipped before. That opens up a whole realm of usage scenarios not et envisaged.
I can see friends/family sitting around in groups, sharing photos on the iPad, then holding it up and taking "huge" pictures of each other. Yes of course the picture is not any bigger in terms of MP than any other digital device. But to the average person, effectively holding the photo in their hand, before it's been taken, is a huge deal. How about being able to apply image processing in real time to really see how it will turn out.
Of course iPad is not portable enough for this to be relevant when out and about, unless the camera were absolutely brilliant- and by that measure, most dedicated compact cameras don't even measure up. So yeah, it does have its limitations.
Finally, photopgraphers know the best camera is one you have with you. Otherwise, why would anyone buy a phone with a camera at all!? Seems odd. Like I said before, 2002 called, they want their sad anti-cameraphone paradigm back. Camera and a phone? What's next, an MP3 player with a camera? What is the world coming to? Oh yeah: iPad.
Hey I have a >20MP 35mm full frame DSLR and anything else is just not good enough for me. But I still welcome a decent quality camera on the iPad.
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We've already discussed this.
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We've already discussed this.
You are the only who brought it up. So, no need to put it on me. Retina display doesn't make sense with 499 dollars base price, but hey you think xoom is also overpriced at 800 dollars. It's not.
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To the average consumer? Nope. A Retina Display is still plausible, especially considering the healthy margins Apple has on the product. If you've been paying any attention, Apple could get these at a low cost due to high volume. We'll know for sure soon enough.
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To the average consumer? Nope. A Retina Display is still plausible, especially considering the healthy margins Apple has on the product. If you've been paying any attention, Apple could get these at a low cost due to high volume. We'll know for sure soon enough.
Depends on what you mean by "overpriced". Count me as one who thinks absolutely the Xoom is overpriced for the market it's competing in. Maybe not for the raw materials/specs, but real people don't care about specs. They buy the sizzle, not the steak. The iPad will always is a more desirable product for non-tech people, for a number of reasons. If you think that regular (non-tech) people will pay MORE money for a device that isn't an iPad, just because the specs are better...well... I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like you to consider purchasing ;-)
Not all require 32GB memory and 3G. For people who buy 16GB WiFi iPad or 32GB WiFi, its way overpriced.
The very notion of a back facing camera on an iPad is ludicrous. No one is going to hold up a 10" device to snap a picture. Stick a camera capable of video recording on the front, and can take a quick snap if required (iSight) on the front.
I'm not sure what the greater sign of illiteracy is:
1 - "the iPad/iPhone will have USB because the EU requires it"
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2 - "there's no reason to have a rear-facing camera on a tablet"
Both of these have been disproven. Just because YOU don't have a need for a camera on the back, doesn't mean there's no reason for it. Every single time someone brings this point up, several VERY compelling reasons for having a rear-facing camera are brought up.
Yet, like clockwork, a few hours later, someone whines "there's no reason".
Seriously, do you people read anything on this forum, or do you just come on, post your ignorance for everyone to see, then duck out?
I don't think you can ever convince such people.
Regarding camera, it would not be a replacement for anyone's digital camera but when everyone offeres, why not? It would definitely come handy. And moreover I feel Facetime is incomplete without rear camera because one cannot show whats happening behind the lens without turning the iPad which looks ridiculous...
Memories are so short..
The non-Apple way - create and (possibly) build a device and load it up with so much stuff so its technical specs sound incredibly impressive (and higher spec'd than the comparable Apple device), yet not even used by 99.5% of the purchasers.
The Apple way - create and sell huge amounts of a device that has specs that 99.5% of the purchasers use and enjoy while the other 0.5% of the population howls that it doesn't fit their needs (or their anticipated needs, or their 23 year old technology nerd son's needs) and vow never to buy one until is has USB 4.0, 600 dpi display, full frame camera sensor, quad core processors, GSM + CDMA + LTE + 4G + 6G radio, and can brew your coffee in the morning.
The non-Apple way - create and (possibly) build a device and load it up with so much stuff so its technical specs sound incredibly impressive (and higher spec'd than the comparable Apple device), yet not even used by 99.5% of the purchasers.
The Apple way - create and sell huge amounts of a device that has specs that 99.5% of the purchasers use and enjoy while the other 0.5% of the population howls that it doesn't fit their needs (or their anticipated needs, or their 23 year old technology nerd son's needs) and vow never to buy one until is has USB 4.0, 600 dpi display, full frame camera sensor, quad core processors, GSM + CDMA + LTE + 4G + 6G radio, and can brew your coffee in the morning.
I have to ask one question. Why?
Apple will receive much negative publicity over this, if they do it.
Individuals will be disappointed if it happens.
Journalists will comment in a negative way if it happens.
In on-line reviews, this will be highlighted as a negative point.
In printed magazine articles this will also written about again and again as a poor aspect of the design.
If Apple do go ahead with a 1MP unit, you know all this will happen.
I don't really understand, why, for the sake of say $5, $6 or $7 Apple would as a company wish to go down this road, knowing full well that this point will get focussed on by the media and continually brought up as a negative point.
Apple will receive much negative publicity over this, if they do it.
Individuals will be disappointed if it happens.
Journalists will comment in a negative way if it happens.
In on-line reviews, this will be highlighted as a negative point.
In printed magazine articles this will also written about again and again as a poor aspect of the design.
If Apple do go ahead with a 1MP unit, you know all this will happen.
I don't really understand, why, for the sake of say $5, $6 or $7 Apple would as a company wish to go down this road, knowing full well that this point will get focussed on by the media and continually brought up as a negative point.
They did it with the iPod Touch, and most of the customers saw the specification: "720p video recording" and went, "wow," the photos will look amazing on my 1920x1080 monitor (which they obviously won't). The 0.7mp camera in the iPod touch shows that Apple doesn't care, even though they have massive competition from other tablets: Galaxy tab, Xoom and Playbook. And, if they add 1080p vr and 5mp camera in the iPad 3, it'll give people who own the iPad 2 a reason to upgrade to the iPad 3.
Yes, but you could get away with it on the touch.
Everyone, even the media accept that the touch is a cheap, lower end iPhone, priced and specc'd accordingly, so it's a reasonable assumption that as it's cheaper it's going to be a lower end device to the iPhone.
The question is, Do people see the iPad as a scaled up low end device like the iPod touch on steroids that trails in the wake of the superior iPhone, or do they see the iPad as a premium device, in line with the iPhone which should have comparable specs and quality of components.
I'd suggest the latter.
It's honestly not going to be that big of a deal in the press or consumers.
edit: I would suggest that both Apple and most consumers view the iPad as a pretty great device at a pretty great price. The fact that iPhone's ASP is higher than iPad's ASP makes this pretty clear.
When Apple announced iPad starting at $499, it was obvious that Apple wants to sell a whole lot of them, and they certainly have done that.
I think $800 for the really high-end hardware tablets is totally reasonable, but they are necessarily going to have a much smaller market to maneuver in.
Boilerplate reviews of iPad 2 will probably be like the following:
"The second generation iPad offers nothing but improvements, including a Facetime Camera, video camera, faster hardware with more storage all in a thinner and lighter design. While competing tablets may advertise better hardware, the iPad's elegant OS, growing software collection in the App Store, and entry price of $499 sets a new standard in the tablet market.
edit: I would suggest that both Apple and most consumers view the iPad as a pretty great device at a pretty great price. The fact that iPhone's ASP is higher than iPad's ASP makes this pretty clear.
When Apple announced iPad starting at $499, it was obvious that Apple wants to sell a whole lot of them, and they certainly have done that.
I think $800 for the really high-end hardware tablets is totally reasonable, but they are necessarily going to have a much smaller market to maneuver in.
Boilerplate reviews of iPad 2 will probably be like the following:
"The second generation iPad offers nothing but improvements, including a Facetime Camera, video camera, faster hardware with more storage all in a thinner and lighter design. While competing tablets may advertise better hardware, the iPad's elegant OS, growing software collection in the App Store, and entry price of $499 sets a new standard in the tablet market.
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I want a 5mp with 1080p video recording. However, Apple want people to upgrade from iPad 2 to iPad 3.
iPad 1 - iPad 2: camera
iPad 2 - iPad 3: better camera
iPad 3 - iPad 4: better video recording (1080p).
Obviously, things like speakers and SD Card slots are other things that Apple can use to "distract" users from the "rubbish-ness" of the camera.
people ignore those types of posts on this forum. i've tried it a few times. they spaz out when they here a rumor that could just be made up.
Evidently you have never watched any of the shows with the dumb criminal videos, stupid stunts, or any of the Jackass movies or clones. While I wouldn't do it, there are lots people that will.
Okay maybe I will, but it won't be my primary camera.