iPad 2 with High Resolution Screen and SD Card Slot, iPhone 5 with A5 Processor?

[Full of Win]

Apple does not impose any resolution requirements for Mac. I don't see anything in IB that forces that for iOS either. All the same autosizing and non pixel based coordinate systems are there.

Have you ever made Cocoa software before ?



First, it's not a bitmap based OS. OSes don't have any kind of graphics requirement. iOS devices use a bitmap display. But so does Windows. So does X11. So does Quartz on OS X. The end result is a bunch of pixels aligned on a grid.

So you don't really have a point there, you're only repeating the same thing everyone is. The fact is, bitmap displays have been around for much longer than iOS and have never had a fixed size. Yet developers have managed to write software for all these other platforms that use these bitmap displays for ages without ever knowing the final resolution at which their app would be displayed. And it all just worked.

You don't have to even know what the future holds in order to write proper code that doesn't assume the end resolution. This is a problem that was solved ages ago in computer science.

Is it really that hard to grasp ?

Apple is quite specific on pixel sizes. Here, read for yourself. Pretty easy to find.

http://developer.apple.com/library/...eptual/mobilehig/IconsImages/IconsImages.html

It is a bitmap OS. Pull the entire OS and look at the files yourself. The interface is just a bunch of PNG files. For example, the animation of the trash can when you delete a picture is really five PNG files of a trash can in various states of opening and closing. Thats it. If you did this, you would see most of the graphic elements in the OS are just PNG files. If you don't believe me, do it yourself.

If this is news to you, I don't know what else to say.

As to it being an issue with OS's - yes it is. How others OS's deal with it is to keep the pixel size of the bitmap elements, thereby making them appear bigger or smaller on the screen depending on the DPI of the screen. This is why the titlebar of a MacBook looks bigger then that of a 17 MacBook Pro. They are both the same number of pixels, but since the 17 MacBook has a higher DPI screen, it looks smaller. Follow me so far? Good. So we agree that other OS's deal many times with different resolutions by keeping the bitmap elements the same pixel size on the screen. Very good.

Now what would happen if current iPad apps did this this on a higher res screen that is not 264 DPI ? Yep, you get a picture frame effect, where the app is surrounded by large black bars. So sure, it could behave like other OS's as you suggest, but is this a good user experience ? No. If it went the 264 DPI route, it could just double up and make for a much better user experience w/o fragmentation.


Alternatively it can scale up apps using interpolation, but as we all know, that can get ugly.

 

[Danekero]

All this commotion over a mockup some guy made based off rumors? Come on people....


We don't know anything until they release it, so quit circle jerking each other over what specs the next iPad could *possibly* have. We all know Apple have aces up its sleeve for the next iPad. Let's all just calm down and live our lives.

I can't speak for everybody, but I'm a nerd, and nerds like to get excited. Speculation is just another way to get pumped for something.

 

[Chalkperson]

????
I think you're in the wrong thread. This is about having a USB port or SD memory card in addition to the dock connector.

I'm not in the wrong Thread, i'm explaining why it won't have a USB Port, in has to be able to charge via a USPB Port in Europe or they can't sell iPhones, so there will be a 30 Pin to USB Adaptor to get around that issue and a USB Output Dock, that means there won't be one in the iPad either...I agree about the SD Card...

 

[YetioDoom]

No way this thing has a "retina" display.

 

[reticulate]

Alternatively it can scale up apps using interpolation, but as we all know, that can get ugly.

Interpolation isn't a huge deal as long as you maintain the aspect ratio. Sure, it gets a bit 'vaseline' the more you dial it up, but the really weird stuff doesn't happen unless you're interpolating 4:3 into 16:10 or something.

 

[Reach9]

Huh? The only people still talking about the antenna are people who don't want to buy an iPhone and are using as a convenient excuse to shut down the fanbois who ridicule their choice.

Of course Apple will eventually redesign the iPhone. How soon is soon is too soon to be lampooned for being "forced to fix the faulty design"? This year? Next year? Doesn't matter? Likewise, how small a design change would still be considered a "backdown" from their position that there's no problem?

Apple will NOT change a design because of "fears". They will only change it if it needs changing. I would argue that since the free bumper program ended and with no mid-production design tweak, Apple believe the design doesn't need to change.

Not true.
Remember the time when the iPhone 3G came out? and then the 3GS? There were hardly any competitors, times were different then.
Now with Android coming out with a bang, and many other companies following, Apple will be forced to provide a much better phone. Moreover, the current iPhone 4 design is unfortunately plagued with the "antennagate" issue, and as much as we'd like to think that Apple will not change a design because of "fears". They already did. the Verizon iPhone's antenna is different than the ones ATT have. And sources claim that the death grip is non-existent with the new Verizon iPhone design.
Having a brand new and innovative design on the iPhone 5 will practically erase any memory of the iPhone 4 "antennagate", thus reviving the stability to consumers that the iPhone 3G and 3GS had.

Is there an antenna issue? Yes (somewhat).
Is it unique to the iPhone 4? No, every phone has it.
Was the "antennagate" issue overblown by the media? Yes, everyone likes to see a big guy fall. I haven't heard about the iPhone's antenna for months.
Who benefited from the "antennagate"? Apple. This will force them to rethink the design and provide us with an even better phone.

Engadget is very credible. I'm looking forward to the new designed iPhone 5.

 

[dymo34]

My only question for this approach: Would the initial iphone need to be "purchased" outright without a contract? i.e for $600. Even so, that doesn't seem like a bad option.

Use it for ~4 months and sell for ~$400. HW cost per month would be ~$50.

Does that make sense?

Good Question. I'm on the same boat and i don't want to get rammed in the backside too badly on this one. I wonder if verizon will ONLY sell the phone with a 2 yr contract? No idea how this bs game works.

 

[Eso]

We had people trading in, returning or swapping iPhone 4's simply because of media fears instilled in them.

Media fears? I got every iPhone 4 at my Apple store to drop to edge by touching the seam with my fingertip. That's the only reason I didn't buy the thing.

 

[foxnews1]

Is there an antenna issue? Yes (somewhat).

it is seriously an issue. I experience it myself. if you are luck and live in a place where signal is strong, then it is somewhat. my phone is unusable without a case.

Is it unique to the iPhone 4? No, every phone has it.

everyone has it but apple is worse since they have it right where your finger is. my old HTC phone has it on the top which I rarely touch. a basic Quality Test would confirm it. Apple missed it in their test.

Then Steve Jobs acted like jerk "you are holding it wrong". then, it would be fixed by software.

a series of deny made it worse. it is Apple who made it worse.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Completely redesigned?! My iPhone 4 is going to feel old faster than I thought.

I hope this is wrong. At least on this. I love the iPhone 4's design. Love it. It's pretty much perfect. I also don't get the iPad SD card idea. They make $30 selling a camera kit now. Why change that?

 

[Aatos.1]

The majority of women where I work have iP4's yet hate the glass body. I've seen a lot of broken glass & angry ladies. It would be very smart to redesign it using something other than glass & that stupid external antenna.

 

[Reach9]

And this is why i skipped the iPhone 4, and kept my iPhone 3G (iOS 4.2.1 and surviving) waiting for the iPhone 5. A lot of sources said that the iPhone 5 will likely have a "different form factor".
The iPhone 4 is actually a truly amazing phone, however because of the bad publicity it received and after the iPhone design chief left Apple. I'm sure they got working on a brand new looking one to make everyone forget about the antenna issue altogether (like what someone said earlier).
But i don't think the iPhone 4 -> iPhone 5 upgrade will be like the 3G -> 3GS.
There's too much competition for that.
Remember the time when the iPhone 3G came out? and then the 3GS? There were hardly any competitors, times were different then. Now with Android coming out with a bang, and many other companies following, Apple can't allow their competition to get 1yr to catch up by just providing a spec bump. Apple will be forced to provide a much better phone.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Thank you for sharing this, now I assume you'll be fired from your senior executive job at Apple for spilling this inside information?

The leaked supposed iPhone 5 designs shows a CDMA like variant, but with a SIM slot. Otherwise, almost identical to iPhone 4. Assuming that's legit, then all the changes are internal. There's no reason to take this rumor to heart and completely dismiss another.

 

[Bregalad]

Maybe it just me, but I don't really see the advantage to dual core cpus in phones. I currently have a Droid 2 rooted and it comes with a qualcomm(gpu is close to the one in the iphone 4) and I never thought to myself; uh wow I wish my phone(cpu wise) was faster. Sure, a better gpu might have some benefits specially when media watching and games; but that about it. I have used my buddies iPhone 4 and even still the cpu wasn't what was holding it back, nor was the gpu. What is holding many of us back is our data speeds. Why can't Apple just make the iPhone 5 4G(LTE 4G) compatible to really stop the culprit that is holding many of us back imho. I would even be content with HSPDA+ 4G.

I will admit though the specs of dual core devices like the LG 2X and Bionic with their Tegra 2 look very tempting, but still not sure what advantage dual core will have right now on phones.

The big advantage is cost. Apple likes to use the same components in a wide range of products. Having one processor that's good enough for the iPad and Apple TV means the iPhone and iPod touch get a processor that's more than they need essentially "free".

 

[Evan_11]

Price Drop, Price Drop, Price Drop...

I could care less about having a retina display on the iPad. It's a media consumption device-- Photos and video already look great. Web browsing works fine with the current resolution. Again, drop the price or include more onboard storage. Get the base model out there for $399 or less.

 

[Geckotek]

The bit in bold is pretty interesting...

Sounds like the next iPhone will actually be a a significant upgrade rather than a 3gs type upgrade.

Thoughts?

This actually backs up what at least one or two ther people in this forum have stated. They sounded pretty positive that they knew what they were talking about, but at the time I brushed it off as them seeing some potential device prototype. It's looking like they were right.

The leaked supposed iPhone 5 designs shows a CDMA like variant, but with a SIM slot. Otherwise, almost identical to iPhone 4. Assuming that's legit, then all the changes are internal. There's no reason to take this rumor to heart and completely dismiss another.

No, that was a complete guess that it might be an iPhone 5. As I've stated earlier, I'm fairly certain it's a CDMA iPhone 4 for China which requires R/UIM.

 

[seek3r]

I could care less about having a retina display on the iPad. It's a media consumption device-- Photos and video already look great. Web browsing works fine with the current resolution. Again, drop the price or include more onboard storage. Get the base model out there for $399 or less.

I could totally see them keeping the old one at a reduced price (like the 3GS). On the other I could see them *not* doing that too

 

[fobfob]

Not true.
Remember the time when the iPhone 3G came out? and then the 3GS? There were hardly any competitors, times were different then.
Now with Android coming out with a bang, and many other companies following, Apple will be forced to provide a much better phone.

iPhone will always improve. That's a given. The big leap with iOS was to 3.0, which was a response to Palm Pre. So yes, of course competition will help move things along quicker. However, that doesn't necessitate a redesign of the antenna or case etc.

Moreover, the current iPhone 4 design is unfortunately plagued with the "antennagate" issue

"I haven't heard about the iPhone's antenna for months. " - .Shine
I rest my case.

and as much as we'd like to think that Apple will not change a design because of "fears". They already did. the Verizon iPhone's antenna is different than the ones ATT have.

duh it's different technology, different frequencies. Different antenna needed.

Having a brand new and innovative design on the iPhone 5 will practically erase any memory of the iPhone 4 "antennagate", thus reviving the stability to consumers that the iPhone 3G and 3GS had.

Yeah because no-one is buying iPhone 4.. HAHA "I haven't heard about the iPhone's antenna for months. " - .Shine

 

[JGowan]

Completely redesigned?! My iPhone 4 is going to feel old faster than I thought.

Pardon me for not caring if you feel yours is Old & Busted while I get the New Hotness. Right now, I'm sporting a First Generation and I'm almost embarrassed to pull it out in public.

I cant imagine Apple abandoning their Tic-Tic update pattern for the iPhone. A speed bump is all i would expect from the '5'

Perhaps if Antennaegate wouldn't have happened, you'd be right. Perhaps they moved everything up to put the whole thing in the past (I hope). Also, we might get a redesign EVERY year because Apple will have to do something radical like that due to the fact that they are competing against tons of Android phones coming out everyday that are getting better and better. We might even start getting on a new design every 6 months. Seriously. Competition will push them to really churn this stuff out to keep them in the $50B a Year Club.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I think the track-balls on the Nexus and BlackBerries are far worse. It's old-tech, and it's a touchscreen for crying out loud! We don't need any tracking system. Our fingers work perfectly fine without it.

tell you the truth the track pads can do one thing that you fingers can not. That is put a curser exactly where you want it.

With the finger you have a fair amount of noise and it does its best guess at where you finger is. I can not count the number of times I have to zoom in on my iPod to hit a link I want. If I had lets say a track ball I could use my finger to get close then have the trackball get it exact.

 

[hohohong]

Will the new iPhone 5 support 1700 Mhz for T-Mobile?

Anyone know if any Qualcomm chip support CDMA, GSM and AWS 1700 Mhz?

 

[smetvid]

I find it interesting that there are are rumors or desires from anybody about the one thing the iPad really needs which is a memory upgrade. There are many apps for the iPad that have plenty of cpu and gpu power but are held back due to the lack of memory on the iPad.

Resolution is not that big of a deal to me and in my opinion is kind of a silly thing to upgrade right now. I'm fine with the 1024x768 resolution right now. I think the only reason there should be a resolution bump is if the iPad 2 allows a second physical size such as a 13" model. Retina display works on the iPhone because the native resolution of the iPhone was way too low to begin with. Since the iPad functions perfectly well at 1024x768 it made sense that the iPhone 4 using the same cpu and gpu could handle 960x640 no problem.

I say forget the other rumors and give us at least double the ram.

 

[Geckotek]

Personally I feel, it's as dumb as the red nub stick on thinkpads. Lenovo still have not changed that lineup's design at all for how many years now?

Some of us prefer the nub.

FYI: "retina" doesn't necessarily mean '326' ppi. Just sayin'.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means. But it didn't say the iPad 2 would have a retina display, just a "super high resolution" display.

sooooooooo this means Verizon will dick over the buyers that purchased in February and come out with a new one 4 months later? Great!!! Or this is still just part of the att yearly release?

You mean Verizon and Apple..correct?

IMO ... this will just be an upgrade ... not a total re-design.

It makes no sense for Apple to bring on a new carrier like Verizon and then change the design mere months after gaining millions of new iPhone buyers.

I for one didn't think they would, but this information lines up too well with what some others on this site have said.

 

[japanime]

Pardon me for not caring if you feel yours is Old & Busted while I get the New Hotness. Right now, I'm sporting a First Generation and I'm almost embarrassed to pull it out in public.

Don't be embarrassed. The first-generation iPhone is a very cool-looking phone. I wish they had sold that model here in Japan.

 

[Minimoose 360]

I call shenanigans.