iPad 2 with support for Adobe Flash, is it possible?

[dj9900]

This is Lame

All this cause a guy asked if there will be flash on the ipad 2? I mean this is ridiculous. Its almost impossible to ask any apple related question without stirring a fanboy war. I feel like The whole web is divided between Apple Haters and Apple Kissers. Grow up all. All you had to do was answer the question of this thread with a resolute 'NO'. No one had to start accusing anyone of anything.

 

[gonnabuyamacbsh]

All this cause a guy asked if there will be flash on the ipad 2? I mean this is ridiculous. Its almost impossible to ask any apple related question without stirring a fanboy war. I feel like The whole web is divided between Apple Haters and Apple Kissers. Grow up all. All you had to do was answer the question of this thread with a resolute 'NO'. No one had to start accusing anyone of anything.

You must be a terrorist!

 

[Kadman]

Some want Flash and others don't. It's just a matter of need and/or preference. It should be left at that. What absolutely amazes me are the number of anti-Flash drones that feel it necessary to jump into any Flash question or discussions and feel the need to not just shoot it down, but convince you that you're wrong for wanting it. Not only do they not want it, but they want to make sure you can't have it either.

It's mind numbingly childish! It's identical to a 3rd grade cafeteria conversation where one kid asks another kid about Red Power Ranger and a third kid butts in claiming that Yellow Power Ranger is the best and everyone should hate Red Power Ranger and they should just kill him. Get a grip, people!

 

[makpheen]

Don't know if anyone posted this but, here you go.

 

[makpheen]

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

 

[flexengineer]

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Beautiful! That's from the same period where Steve Jobs said that "no one will use flash", or answered an email from a developer asking if Android will outnumber iPhone, to what he answered in writing "not a chance"

Steve Jobs is full of ****, you will never hear him come publish and say **** like this anymore with the way he got put together by the regulators across the world, I can tell you that much!

Even though I cant blame you for drinking Apple's coolaid... It's hard to get out of a cult.

Some want Flash and others don't. It's just a matter of need and/or preference. It should be left at that. What absolutely amazes me are the number of anti-Flash drones that feel it necessary to jump into any Flash question or discussions and feel the need to not just shoot it down, but convince you that you're wrong for wanting it. Not only do they not want it, but they want to make sure you can't have it either.

It's mind numbingly childish! It's identical to a 3rd grade cafeteria conversation where one kid asks another kid about Red Power Ranger and a third kid butts in claiming that Yellow Power Ranger is the best and everyone should hate Red Power Ranger and they should just kill him. Get a grip, people!

They will pollute any discussion on the matter by overloading it with their personal statement and believes based on stuff from Apple.com, what can we expect... I really feel like a 13yo but it's stronger than me, I cant leave that much **** being dumped at once and say nothing...

 

[flexengineer]

duplicte

 

[daleycss]

iPad has a better chance of supporting Active X than it does Flash.

Why would we want it to? Quit trying to visit Flash sites, when traffic dies off to their website, they will change it or die off.

Like how Grooveshark.com just switched to an html5 setup (i know it still uses flash for playback) but still, it's just another step towards reaching a flash-free internet.

 

[flexengineer]

Like how Grooveshark.com just switched to an html5 setup (i know it still uses flash for playback) but still, it's just another step towards reaching a flash-free internet.

It is technically impossible to replace Flash apps with HTML5, it is a myth. If you can turn them into HTML5 it means they should not have been Flash based in the first place, like stupid ads, serious Flash apps and games CANT and NEVER WILL be converted to HTML5.

Animation and moving things around is one thing, business class Flash apps is another, thinking HTML5 can compete with Flex in the browser is ridiculous, purely and simply ridiculous.

Here is a good read on Grooveshark and its switch to HTML5:
Grooveshark launches new HTML 5 interface, still doesn’t work on iPad
http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/12/...w-html-5-interface-still-doesnt-work-on-ipad/

All businesses that I know off and listened to Steve Jobs early 2010 are now sorry and for the most wonder how they are going to deal with HTML5 mess, he did fool a few companies, only startups though... big corp are not that stupid.

 

[BaldiMac]

Beautiful! That's from the same period where Steve Jobs said that "no one will use flash",

In a private company meeting. A pep rally. Hyperbole is how these things work. Not in public.

or answered an email from a developer asking if Android will outnumber iPhone, to what he answered in writing "not a chance"

That's not actually what was asked. It had nothing to do market share. He was referring to a technological lead. A simple Google search can refresh your memory before you post any more misleading information.

Steve Jobs is full of ****, you will never hear him come publish and say **** like this anymore with the way he got put together by the regulators across the world, I can tell you that much!

You and your dreams of conspiracy. Please stop stating your unsubstantiated opinion as fact.

Even though I cant blame you for drinking Apple's coolaid... It's hard to get out of a cult.

He's a newbie that posted one link without comment and you are insulting him with your own little stereotype. Classy.

It is technically impossible to replace Flash apps with HTML5, it is a myth.

Depends on the type of app, doesn't it?

 

[flexengineer]

In a private company meeting. A pep rally. Hyperbole is how these things work. Not in public.

It does not matter! He said it. The same way it will not matter in court when Steve Jobs will testify whether the plaintiff presents private emails, public statement, corporate statement, press release, conversations... HE SAID IT, and HE LIED. He knew perfectly what was unfolding with Adobe and he knew perfectly that saying such thing was a lie, 8 of 9 of world's largest device manufacturers already had agreement with Adobe and there is NO WAY he did not know about it. That is how much full of **** Steve Jobs is, lawyers can keep his tongue in official statements but he cannot help, he has to open his big mouth and lie. I can't wait to see him testify.

He's a newbie that posted one link without comment and you are insulting him with your own little stereotype. Classy.

Fair enough, if I was pushy I apologize. Problem is I never know whether I am challenged by a 13 yo or a 50yo professional, it's frustrating.

Depends on the type of app, doesn't it?

As I always said, if anything can be converted from Flash to HTML5 then it should not have been Flash to start with and only was because HTML until now failed to deliver, and even now fails to deliver anything consistent across browsers and operating systems. Flash is develop once, deploy everywhere. It just works, the same, all the time. One of many advances that set Flash Platform apart.

Thinking that pushing HTML5 is going to push the replacement of Flash is ridiculous, no one major company that I know of entirely converted a major application from Flash to HTML5, it is just not technically possible yet and when it will be, 2 to 5 years, Flash will be so ahead that it will be the same thing all over again. Flash and HTML will coexist and Flash Platform will be the leading application development environment accross all screens. That is what I believe from the bottom of my gut based on my understanding of the matter from all perspectives and all technology aspects.

 

[BaldiMac]

It does not matter! He said it.

So?

The same way it will not matter in court when Steve Jobs will testify whether the plaintiff presents private emails, public statement, corporate statement, press release, conversations...

What exactly are you implying here?

HE SAID IT, and HE LIED.

You don't seem to have a firm grasp on what a "lie" is. You have lied over and over in this thread and the others that you have posted in. Jobs stated his opinion of the market in an exaggerated fashion to rally the troops in a private meeting.

And you can't even prove that the opinion he stated is even false, let alone a lie.

He knew perfectly what was unfolding with Adobe and he knew perfectly that saying such thing was a lie, 8 of 9 of world's largest device manufacturers already had agreement with Adobe and there is NO WAY he did not know about it. That is how much full of **** Steve Jobs is, lawyers can keep his tongue in official statements but he cannot help, he has to open his big mouth and lie. I can't wait to see him testify.

So, go ahead. Prove right now that Flash will have significant usage 20 years from now. Particularly on mobile. Proof. Not conjecture.

Fair enough, if I was pushy I apologize. Problem is I never know whether I am challenged by a 13 yo or a 50yo professional, it's frustrating.

Why does it matter? Address the argument instead of attacking the poster.

As I always said, if anything can be converted from Flash to HTML5 then it should not have been Flash to start with and only was because HTML until now failed to deliver, and even now fails to deliver anything consistent across browsers and operating systems. Flash is develop once, deploy everywhere. It just works, the same, all the time. One of many advances that set Flash Platform apart.

Thinking that pushing HTML5 is going to push the replacement of Flash is ridiculous, no one major company that I know of entirely converted a major application from Flash to HTML5, it is just not technically possible yet and when it will be, 2 to 5 years, Flash will be so ahead that it will be the same thing all over again. Flash and HTML will coexist and Flash Platform will be the leading application development environment accross all screens. That is what I believe from the bottom of my gut based on my understanding of the matter from all perspectives and all technology aspects.

Sure, but you lied in your statement ("It is technically impossible to replace Flash apps with HTML5, it is a myth.") as much as Jobs lied in his. In fact, you are worse, because I can prove your statement to be false. But I suppose it's always easier to hold other people to higher standards than yourself.

 

[flexengineer]

Sure, but you lied in your statement ("It is technically impossible to replace Flash apps with HTML5, it is a myth.") as much as Jobs lied in his. In fact, you are worse, because I can prove your statement to be false. But I suppose it's always easier to hold other people to higher standards than yourself.

You quote me out of context and cut the rest of the sentence and that is why I am going to ignore you all at once until you say something interesting.

 

[BaldiMac]

You quote me out of context and cut the rest of the sentence and that is why I am going to ignore you all at once until you say something interesting.

That's complete crap. You edited your post to add the rest after I quoted it.

I'm not sure how the stuff you added changes the fact that the sentence I quoted is a lie.

Funny though, how you have no problems quoting Jobs out of context and calling him a liar.

 

[flexengineer]

That's complete crap. You edited your post to add the rest after I quoted it.

I'm not sure how the stuff you added changes the fact that the sentence I quoted is a lie.

Funny though, how you have no problems quoting Jobs out of context and calling him a liar.

I might and I am sorry if I did, I usually add it as a footnote why I edited, but that is not what I meant, I meant that when I said it (I remember saying what you quoted) it was part of a much longer statement and a complete point, you are taking out of context and I am tired of repeating myself. If I added the point after word I swear to you I did so before to read your answer, as a matter of fact when I see someone quoting something i modified I reversed it, add the change separately as UPDATE and explain in the footnote. I can do that if you want.

 

[BaldiMac]

I might and I am sorry if I did, I usually add it as a footnote why I edited, but that is not what I meant, I meant that when I said it (I remember saying what you quoted) it was part of a much longer statement and a complete point, you are taking out of context and I am tired of repeating myself. If I added the point after word I swear to you I did so before to read your answer, as a matter of fact when I see someone quoting something i modified I reversed it, add the change separately as UPDATE and explain in the footnote. I can do that if you want.

Do whatever you want. I am just tired of your personal attacks coupled with ignoring the substantive points of the post.

The fact remains that your statement is not true, regardless of the context. It doesn't matter if you are talking about "business class" or any other apps. As I pointed out, it depends on what the app does. Gmail is without a doubt a "business class" web app.

 

[leftyMac]

wow, so many ignorant flash haters. video playback is not the sole functionality of Flash. if you think HTML5 or any other technology will take over flash in the next couple of years, you just don't know what you are talking about. if you don't like Flash, it's your choice. what Flash can do or can not do is however not a matter of opinions.

even Steve Jobs who hates Flash so much hasn't come up with a solution to replace Flash yet, or otherwise you'd be viewing all the missing content on the internet on your ipad. if he doesn't think Flash is good enough, then he should come up with something that can do better without taking away the options from iPad users.

Apple and Adobe need a make up sex. and release a Flash enabled Safari with flashblock installed. what's the big deal?

 

[flexengineer]

Apple and Adobe need a make up sex. and release a Flash enabled Safari with flashblock installed. what's the big deal?

Wait until Apple recognize the mistake and try to buy Adobe, I will both laugh and cry that day, if it comes lol

 

[leftyMac]

Wait until Apple recognize the mistake and try to buy Adobe, I will both laugh and cry that day, if it comes lol

better than Microsoft buying Adobe! then Flash is f*cked!

 

[flexengineer]

better than Microsoft buying Adobe! then Flash is f*cked!

Microsoft offered 6 billion for Macromedia like 6 or 7 years ago if I remember well, they sold to Adobe for something like half, they are not stupid! Microsoft has the worst history track possible when it gets to acquisition, nobody wants to sell to Microsoft unless you do not care if your enterprise dies or becomes some joke of itself.

 

[leftyMac]

Microsoft offered 6 billion for Macromedia like 6 or 7 years ago if I remember well, they sold to Adobe for something like half, they are not stupid! Microsoft has the worst history track possible when it gets to acquisition, nobody wants to sell to Microsoft unless you do not care if your enterprise dies or becomes some joke of itself.

yeah, no kidding, eh? Windows, unstable since you know when! LOL they can't even get their own products working properly.

I admit though, "courier" was a kick ass concept.

 

[thelookingglass]

I'm in support of keeping Flash off of iOS platforms until the day that Flash runs smoothly on mobile devices and isn't a battery hog. My rationale is pretty simple: many sites that have since been rewritten to deliver content in Flash AND iOS-friendly format actually run BETTER on iOS devices than, say, Android devices because Flash still is not in a form that mobile devices in general can handle without performance issues. This only happened because a company with Apple's influence decided to throw its weight around and ban Flash from all of its devices. Any sensible web developer MUST take into account the growing mobile market and the huge share of that market that iOS devices command.

 

[newdeal]

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I am glad that it has no flash. Means no flash ads bogging me down. Pages already take long enough to render without flash. I use splashtop to view flash videos if i need to and it works great

 

[thesmoth]

I am glad that it has no flash. Means no flash ads bogging me down. Pages already take long enough to render without flash. I use splashtop to view flash videos if i need to and it works great

I have click to flash on my mac, and it means that I get no flash ads and all the flash content I want. I'm told android operates in a similar way (or it will be able to do so).

There is NO reason why flash on the iPad would be bad, assuming you could click on the content you want displayed like click-to-flash (which you can either do now, or shortly). So if you argue against flash you're an idiot, because what you are saying is you don't want choice. You WANT to be limited in what you can view of the internet, instead of having a choice. You can TURN ON ONLY WHAT FLASH YOU WANT, and therefore you get NO ADS. This is a no-brainer people, we WANT options and power over our content viewing.

 

[BaldiMac]

I have click to flash on my mac, and it means that I get no flash ads and all the flash content I want. I'm told android operates in a similar way (or it will be able to do so).

There is NO reason why flash on the iPad would be bad, assuming you could click on the content you want displayed like click-to-flash (which you can either do now, or shortly). So if you argue against flash you're an idiot, because what you are saying is you don't want choice. You WANT to be limited in what you can view of the internet, instead of having a choice. You can TURN ON ONLY WHAT FLASH YOU WANT, and therefore you get NO ADS. This is a no-brainer people, we WANT options and power over our content viewing.

I actually do have a reason to not want Flash to come to iOS devices. I do not use Flash. I haven't used Flash for 5+ years. It has nothing to do with Apple or the iPhone. I simply made a decision based mainly on privacy reasons and the principle of using open standards for internet content.

By not including the option of displaying Flash, Apple is encouraging developers to deliver content using open standards instead of or in addition to Flash delivery. Which means more content for me.

I do not think Flash is dying. I acknowledge that it is the best solution for cross platform application development. I, personally, don't like cross-platform solutions. I prefer native apps that take full advantage of my OS of choice.

I don't think HTML5 is anywhere close to Flash in a lot of advanced features. I just want web developers to use open standards for the things that open standards can accomplish well. I'm perfectly happy for the rest of it to be done in Flash.