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iPad iPad Air package lost in delivery, got a refund, then the package showed up.
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I believe in karma but I admit I would think about keeping it, but in the end I would probably tell them that I did indeed receive it. In the past, honesty has been very kind to me in similar situations, where the outcome was the same as me lying about it. But the bonus is my conscious is intact and I know I've done the right thing. And even if they did charge me instead of letting me keep it, then I still haven't really lost anything.
Apple has over 100 BILLION in the bank and pays little to no taxes. I think that they can afford to give away an iPad.
I saw a guy at a gas station filling up a Ferrari, he walked in to pay in front of me and dropped a 20$ bill. I just took it without telling him. He drives a 250000$ car he can afford to lose 20$, right?
Not a real situation but you're saying that it's right? Moral value is always more than monetary value.
Yeah keep the $20 the Ferrari driving douche can afford it. Now, if it's an old lady driving a beat up Pinto it's another story.
No. It's the same story. Your story. It's about you, not the Ferrari guy or the old lady. It's about the kind of person you are and the choices you make.
What if it's a regular looking guy in a Camry? Maybe he is a millionaire who doesn't flaunt it. Maybe he's just been laid off and that's his last $20. It doesn't matter. They belong to him, not you. Give them back. Sheesh.
No. It's the same story. Your story. It's about you, not the Ferrari guy or the old lady. It's about the kind of person you are and the choices you make.
What if it's a regular looking guy in a Camry? Maybe he is a millionaire who doesn't flaunt it. Maybe he's just been laid off and that's his last $20. It doesn't matter. They belong to him, not you. Give them back. Sheesh.
Well if he was just laid off then it's time to sell that Ferrari.
If you didn't sign for it I'd put it aside for a few weeks and see if you hear anything. If the claim has been paid then the investigation should already be over.
Some might say this is wrong but realistically, how many people would find that they were undercharged for something then go back into the store to tell them? Years ago I bought a patio set. They rang up the take and 1 chair instead of 6. I just paid and left. Later on I was wondering why the total was so cheap. I looked at the receipt and saw what happened. Did I go back? No.
Now, say I went out with a friend one night, dropped him off then saw a couple of hundreds on the seat where he was sitting the next morning. Would I tell him? Without a doubt yes.
What makes one different than the other? It just is.
the only thing better than ignorant nonsense is immoral ignorant nonsense with a dash of self-righteousness and entitlement.
Apple is the third highest taxed company in the US with an effective tax rate of about 25%.
What's your effective tax rate? Do you feel like you pay "little to no" taxes?
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I love this these threads about theft, a new one pops ups every month. And people wonder why the don't get anywhere in life - most people don't have the self control to not give in to their urges. You'd think people would be more focused on their long term prosperity, but nope, opportunistic, petty theft is still pretty rampant.
You guys love shooting yourselves on the foot.
You guys love shooting yourselves on the foot.
Six pages of back and forth moral debating. Look, stealing is when you find, take, or inherit something that doesn't belong to you. Sure this is a technicality but if you got paid back some money for the item that was never there and all of a sudden it's there now, you don't keep that item unless you paid for it.
I've never heard of owning something in which you didn't pay for it; unless it was a gift and I've never heard of shipping companies giving out free stuff.
I can see how f'ed up our society is because there is a 6 page back and forth debate going on about whether or not to steal something.
I've never heard of owning something in which you didn't pay for it; unless it was a gift and I've never heard of shipping companies giving out free stuff.
I can see how f'ed up our society is because there is a 6 page back and forth debate going on about whether or not to steal something.
You have had all your options fed back to you.
There could be a cross over in events ... you reporting none delivery ...time taken to refund and send UPS a query on delivery to your address.
UPS now have a signed receipt from you which they return to Apple. UPS have not made any insurance claims. Apple know you had a refund and now a delivery...all timed and dated.
They also have your account details and two choices, call in the police on a suspected fraud attempt or simply hit your credit card for the payment.
If you want to risk a prosecution for fraud and a criminal record blighting your career.....your other choice is call Apple and pay up. Sleep at night, not worry about warranty problems. You may even be lucky and Apple may reward your "honesty" and give you a gift!
The real issue is what kind of person are you...?.?.?
Ok, so he just misappropriated an iPad and let the insurance company pay for it. Big difference.
The actions you describe do not constitute theft. But it's immoral nonetheless, and a federal crime too.
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I would contact Apple and tell them they need to organise a courier to pick it up at I time convenient for me. I wouldn't go out of my way to take it somewhere to post it back to them though. If it wasn't my mistake in the first place I'm not wasting one minute of my time to correct the issue.
Yes they could - IF they choose to do so. Here the OP just happened to misappropriate property that was clearly not paid for, and was not sent with an intention of being free.
Really?? You think unicorns are a good reason to commit insurance fraud?
If you're going to do it because you have a poor moral compass and you feel the world owes you something's he own that. But don't fabricate reasons to act like a self entitled child.
Agree. Totally agree.
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Its best to do the right thing and return it. You will feel good about yourself and that is something money cant buy.
As if APPLE don't now know who the OP is by now
I would be a hypocrite to preach on this thread, but life teaches you to
Treat others the way you would want treated yourself.
I would be a hypocrite to preach on this thread, but life teaches you to
Treat others the way you would want treated yourself.
So you're asking our opinion for your opinion?
Just pay for the device if you were already gonna pay for it. Now you're trying to get out of paying. Which is called stealing.
Call Apple, tell them the situation. Admit you were thinking about keeping it without paying and decided that you couldn't have the conscious to do it. And have them take the money out of your credit card.
Either return it or you don't. But we'd appreciate if you actually did the right thing.
Just pay for the device if you were already gonna pay for it. Now you're trying to get out of paying. Which is called stealing.
Call Apple, tell them the situation. Admit you were thinking about keeping it without paying and decided that you couldn't have the conscious to do it. And have them take the money out of your credit card.
Either return it or you don't. But we'd appreciate if you actually did the right thing.
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Something I am shocked that no one mentioned. That is the serial number. I would imagine Apple would show this iPad is being stolen. Then when you are going to do the start up, bingo your caught. So do the right thing and return the iPad. It's the right thing to do, and karma will reward you. Or you could wind up like some guy in Virginia did, he didn't pay his tolls that wound up to $400 now he owes over $200,000. Fines and penalties. Has to pay 150.00 a month Fo like 60 years. Once again karma wins.
Do the right thing or she will bite you in the ass!
Do the right thing or she will bite you in the ass!