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iPad Mini 6 Users Complain of 'Jelly Scrolling' Issue in Portrait Orientation
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GAH! I'm sooo glad my eyes can't see this because I LOVE this lil thing!
Arstechnica.com got a response from Apple on the jelly issue:
From https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...from-uneven-jelly-scrolling-in-portrait-mode/
From https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...from-uneven-jelly-scrolling-in-portrait-mode/
You can think and say what you like, but this is not true. Just pointing this out for others reading these comments.
All my iMacs (2) , iPhones (3) , Macbook, iPads (3), all have the scan skewing effect ("jelly scrolling") in one direction or the other, if you look for it.
It just happens to be more obvious on the iPad Mini 6 in portrait orientation, which I also have.
So to sum up: I said something unpopular and got voted down. Someone called me a liar and he got voted up. And then I was right. Thank you to Apple and Ars Technica.
Normal behavior? Even the 2011 Kindle Fire, one of the cheapest tablets sold for $199 built on cheapest parts did not have this kind of jelly scroll that the expensive iPad mini 6 has. The $339 128GB iPad mini 4 did not have this amount of jelly scroll the $649 iPad mini has.
This "normal behavior" looks like an excuse probably because it may be a hardware issue (like the Antenna-gate) that Apple knows it can not fix.
If Apple doesn't fix this before Thanksgiving, I'll continue using the Mini 4. I have already waited to upgrade this for a year, so one more year.
Excellent point -- Kudos to Apple on that part at least, no question.
geez... this is kinda ugly, and once you see it, it is hard to unsee it. Is the return window only 14 days? I have the mini 4 beside it and no jelly scrolling (used Apple TV app and just scrolled finger up and down quickly).
did anybody get one without jelly scroll? I'm really on the fence on returning it as it otherwise is so much smoother than ipad mini 4, but really is annoying once you see it.
did anybody get one without jelly scroll? I'm really on the fence on returning it as it otherwise is so much smoother than ipad mini 4, but really is annoying once you see it.
Ones without Jelly Scroll don't exist
Apple is on record that this is how it's supposed to be (sadly).
Ever hear back from Apple? Ars got a reply from someone there, but I don’t know if it was an “official statement”. Would really like to see Apple reply to the top sites soon.
Now that new iPad mini 6 owners have had a couple of days with Apple's latest redesigned tablet, some users are noticing an issue being referred to as "jelly scroll" when viewing the screen in portrait mode.
The term refers to a noticeable effect when scrolling vertically through text-based content like a webpage or document, where each line of text appears to tilt down towards the left of the screen as it passes by. The effect makes it look as though one side of the display is responding faster than the other when a finger drags to scroll the page.
Several MacRumors readers have noted the issue, which seems to affect users to a variable degree. Some iPad mini 6 owners claim they noticed the effect despite being ignorant of similar reports in the wild, while others see it only after having been made aware that it was even a thing.
Moreover, some users, having seen it, claim to be unable to "unsee" it, after which it becomes irritating to witness and can even induce eye strain. The issue was first brought to wider attention in a tweet by The Verge's Dieter Bohn, who demonstrated the effect in a slo-mo video.
MacRumors has independently confirmed that the effect can be seen by different people on the same sixth-generation iPad mini unit. MacRumors can also confirm that the issue was evident on all iPad mini 6 models on display in a local UK Apple Store. The issue wasn't reproducible in landscape orientation when scrolling, indicating this is a vertical refresh issue.
It's currently unclear if this is a hardware issue affecting only a certain batch of iPad mini units, a more widespread hardware problem, or something that could be fixed with a software update. We've reached out to Apple for comment.
Article Link: iPad Mini 6 Users Complain of 'Jelly Scrolling' Issue in Portrait Orientation
who makes the LCD panels for Apple? I have two older Samsung tablets and they don't have this problem. I even recorded it with my camcorder at 240fps and didnt' see it at all. They are the old Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8.0 and newer Galaxy Tab S7+. I bought the iPad Mini 6 to replace the Galaxy Tab S2 8.0. because I wanted something that ran iOS apps.
Gonna say this one more time…… all LCD behave this way. There are multiple reasons you may notice more on the mini 6 though.
1. the display position has been rotated in this model to now have the top and bottom in landscape orientation. Since most people hold the mini in portrait mode you will see it more often.
2. being that the display has been rotated on this model, when using it in portrait orientation the physical top and bottom of the screen is at the sides, that means the display will be updating from top to bottom from one side of the screen to the other. What you see when you see the “jelly” is the time it takes the display to update the screen line by line. It takes time to update each line and that is what you see.
3. adding to the issue with the new screen orientation is the fact that the new mini is a bit taller so your eyes have more time to notice and track the updating screen.
4. Apple probably should have kept the orientation the way it has been on all prior iPad mins and then people would have noticed it less in landscape orientation.. the reason I say this is because one people use the mini less often in the orientation and two there is less physical height for it to be noticed.
I would think that this was a decision made as Apple prepares to make landscape orientation the new norm for iPad. If you look at the iPad Pro it has the same issue in portrait mode, but that’s ok on ipad Pro cause most use it in landscape.
1. the display position has been rotated in this model to now have the top and bottom in landscape orientation. Since most people hold the mini in portrait mode you will see it more often.
2. being that the display has been rotated on this model, when using it in portrait orientation the physical top and bottom of the screen is at the sides, that means the display will be updating from top to bottom from one side of the screen to the other. What you see when you see the “jelly” is the time it takes the display to update the screen line by line. It takes time to update each line and that is what you see.
3. adding to the issue with the new screen orientation is the fact that the new mini is a bit taller so your eyes have more time to notice and track the updating screen.
4. Apple probably should have kept the orientation the way it has been on all prior iPad mins and then people would have noticed it less in landscape orientation.. the reason I say this is because one people use the mini less often in the orientation and two there is less physical height for it to be noticed.
I would think that this was a decision made as Apple prepares to make landscape orientation the new norm for iPad. If you look at the iPad Pro it has the same issue in portrait mode, but that’s ok on ipad Pro cause most use it in landscape.
It would help if someone can post a video of how page turning looks in iBooks or Kindle app with white background and portrait mode.
Also, does it affect movies and games in landscape mode like bottom half of the game refreshing faster than top half?
Also, does it affect movies and games in landscape mode like bottom half of the game refreshing faster than top half?
I didn't consider that... the iPad Mini 6 was my first LCD device in over 10 years. All of my phones and tablets are AMOLED.... my iPhones are also both AMOLED. So I'm assuming that AMOLED screens don't do this?(or at least I've never noticed it in 10 years)
Well, most people probably use the Kindle app and iBooks in their default mode, where one flips a whole page at a time, in which case the "jelly scrolling" has no effect (as you are not scrolling). The whole page refreshes instead.
But if you scroll pages with these apps, by turning on "Continuous Scrolling" in the Kindle app, or "Vertical Scrolling" in iBooks, then the jelly scrolling can be seen in portrait mode on my Mini 6 (just the same as vertical scrolling of any other text)
Yes all do it as well, you just don’t notice it on the phone because you almost always hold your phone in portrait and the physical top and bottom of the screen are also portrait so the screen scans from top to bottom and you will not see the “jelly”. If you turn your phone to landscape and scroll you will see it but it is less noticeable because the area you eye has to track the screen is small
The only thing I think Apple got wrong here was the fact that people are using their minis in portrait more than landscape. They could have avoided this even being a thing if they just made the physical top and bottom of the display portrait, doing so would have made it less obvious in 2 ways, a. Most people use iPad in portrait more often and b. Having it in portrait would have created less physical area in landscape for you eye to notice the effect
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That is because the physical orientation of the display in the iPad mini 5 is portrait from the camera on top to the home button on the bottom and this means you wouldn’t notice it in portrait but will in landscape. When you turn the 5 on landscape the top and bottom of the screen are from the left and right of the screen which will create the jelly effect when scrolling because the screen now updates across the screen, not top to bottom
There is no jelly scrolling with iBooks at all, since you're scrolling left-right. That's one of the reason's I'm keeping mine, because I use it for reading more than anything else.
It’s always been there…… it’s just no one ever pointed it out to you before…. It really is a non issue
Never been there on the iPad mini in portrait mode before.
And you lose me when you say “it really is a non-issue”
That’s simply not true for everybody