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iPad Pro 2, Oct 2016, Thoughts?
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The iPad Pro 2 will likely be an iPad Pro with beefier internals. More powerful processor, better battery, better camera, and maybe faster storage are likely. The software will likely be an improved iOS. I doubt they're going to take away from the complicity of iOS because that's what makes it iOS. I doubt we're going to see an increase of RAM for at least 3-4 years, as for the time being 4gb is enough. The applications are likely to be coded using iOS API and are likely going to not require more than that in that time frame, especially considering the fact that we will likely still be running two or so applications at a time in the foreground like we do today.
And we will continue to have people complain that it doesn't do enough, that they can't run a dozen applications at the same time while they only focus on one or two anyway. Because humans can't multitask anyway.
Apple's answer to Windows will be exactly like how it answered everyone's request for an Apple netbook, not by jumping on the bandwagon but by ignoring it altogether and releasing its own unique take on that problem (which in that case was the iPad).
I personally find Windows 10 to be an abomination in every sense of the word. 2 clearly differing OSes with different modes of input bolted together. If Windows 10 somehow feels "right", that's only because it's still a desktop OS at heart, being used by people like you and me who grew up accustomed to legacy computing standards. We are not the future. We are the past clinging on to an outmoded form of computing because that is what we are used to and what has worked for us, and have precious little right to impress our outdated standards on the next generation of users.
As such, I don't believe for one moment that Windows 10 represents the future. That said, it is still the present, and will at best serve as a stop-gap measure for Microsoft for the moment.
Apple's answer is to steadily improve on the capabilities of iOS until the iPad (running iOS, not OSX) is as capable as a PC in its own right. I believe this to be the right way moving forward, because more and more people are growing up with mobile devices as their main computing device. Don't be surprised if and when these people graduate and enter the workforce more accustomed to getting things done from a tablet than a PC, and when they do, Apple will be there waiting for them with just the right device for them in tow.
I think the number of people who share your sentiments is a lot fewer than you make it out to be. And this number will further dwindle once they get their wish, get freeform-resizing apps on a tablet, and realise just what a horrid experience it really is.
Something like that already existed in the form of Windows 7 tablet PCs. They never caught on, for the simple reason that the user experience sucked. This is one of those things which sounds good on paper, but sucks in actual usage.
The whole point of iOS is precisely so that we could do away with archaic PC legacies like multiple overlapping resizable windows, which were honestly a pain to deal with. Do what you are suggesting would be a legitimate regression.
What's ridiculous is your belief that Apple will do something so anathema to their design tenets. You are referring to a device running 2 separate OSes, supporting 2 different types of software and 5 varied forms of input. Apple believes in simplicity, which means getting things done with as few resources as possible. This is why the Macbook Air has so few ports (to make it thinner and lighter) and has so good a keyboard and trackpad so users can get meaningful work done without feeling like they have to plug in a mouse just to drag-select stuff properly. The last thing Apple is going to do is bolt everything together to create some sort of frankenstein hybrid device.
You can already sort of do this on an iPad. Split-screen email and your browser, and run Skype in PIP mode.
We shall see indeed. Let me make a bold prediction here and now - You lose.
Well, guess what? The majority of workers out there are not computer engineers and programmers like yourself. The majority of PC-using people are these kids and moms whom you so deride. It's easy to do more with more (complexity), but I also feel it is irresponsible to throw this complexity back at the end user and place the onus of figuring all this crap out on them.
I firmly believe that while desktop PCs will not go away, they will increasingly take a back seat to more mobile forms of computing, which is precisely what Apple is betting on. You will still have your Mac Pros and your Intel Xeon workstations hooked up with triple 4k displays for stuff like video editing, but that is done by less than 1% of the world's population?
The real challenge is in doing more with less (complexity). That's what iOS is aimed at - making computing more accessible and convenient to the majority of users who don't necessarily need a full-powered desktop OS, multiple screens or a render farm to get things done. And I repeat, you do that by continuing to build on the foundations of iOS while keeping its core strengths (security, ease of use, battery life), not by abandoning it.
Ceding the desktop market to Microsoft (which likely won't happen; Apple will definitely continue to make and sell Macs) will be like the equivalent of ceding the low-end, low-margin smartphone market to Android OEMs. Ignore meaningless titles, all while keeping your eyes on the real prize.
I like what Adobe is currently doing with its Photoshop app for iOS - breaking up the core app (which I always felt to be overly bloated and needlessly complex) into multiple smaller and lighter apps, each of which is optimised for a singular purpose. This in turn makes the apps more easily accessible to users. I think this is the way forward for iOS.
Well, good discussion of future of iPad Pros.
I still don't have iPP (only played with demo units), and its kind of hard for me to judge it.
Still, the fact is that Apple has created a specialized table with unique hardware features and will tinker its iOS to match those hardware capabilities.
I still don't have iPP (only played with demo units), and its kind of hard for me to judge it.
Still, the fact is that Apple has created a specialized table with unique hardware features and will tinker its iOS to match those hardware capabilities.
Well. iPad pro is so underpowered and lacking every single new current technology from Apple that iPad pro 2 will be miles better.
Current Touch ID, 3D Touch, quick charging, charge while use and so on...
Ipad pro is iPad 3 ten times worse. At least iPad 3 had the Retina display.
Current Touch ID, 3D Touch, quick charging, charge while use and so on...
Ipad pro is iPad 3 ten times worse. At least iPad 3 had the Retina display.
It's not the Pro not running OSX, it's Adobe not giving the Lightroom app not all the features the desktop version. If they would do that, then I would buy the Pro 2. Otherwise, I'll stick to my Air 2 for now and probably just buy one of the new Skylake MacBooks whenever they are out.
For those that want OSX on an iPad, what exactly do you want from OSX on the iPad? I'm curious because I hear this but I don't exactly understand what people are talking about. What does OSX gain from being on an iPad?
I don't expect Apple to ever release OSX for iPad. I do expect Apple to add productivity features to iOS for bigger screens in a way that maintains the simplicity of iOS.
I would not be surprised if Apple added "desktop" features like focus UI from tvOS to iOS to make it easier to navigate the UI when the iPad is sitting up on a desk. Perhaps even a touchpad like the Siri remote for this kind of navigation. I would be surprised if we ever saw a true mouse/point-and-click interface on iOS.
I don't expect Apple to ever release OSX for iPad. I do expect Apple to add productivity features to iOS for bigger screens in a way that maintains the simplicity of iOS.
I would not be surprised if Apple added "desktop" features like focus UI from tvOS to iOS to make it easier to navigate the UI when the iPad is sitting up on a desk. Perhaps even a touchpad like the Siri remote for this kind of navigation. I would be surprised if we ever saw a true mouse/point-and-click interface on iOS.
Hmm, it would not surprise me if Apple does not follow the release window...seems like the iPad pro is very overpowered so they may not release till spring 2017. 3D Touch is not a necessity especially since we have the Apple pencil and the keyboard multitasking options. I do not care about Touch ID first or second generation as long as it works and works fine. The iPad pro has apples greatest processor, highest amount of ram, and largest display so it's missing nothing. Of course, people would love OSX but I believe iOS is the future of computing and the right applications will make you forget that OSX exists.
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What do you mean? I'm currently charging my iPad Pro while reading and posting to MacRumors, playing a casual game, etc, and it seems to be charging fine.
Yes, it "charges"... very slowly. And with too much load and brightness, it may even drain while plugged in. It is not really a longetivety device or in other words a keeper, but still cool to own now. Just saying I would not. At least not keep it if I bought it. Already seing huge price drops also. I can't think of another release from Apple lacking so much current technology (of apples own) at the time of release.
It does charge a bit slower than previous iPads, but not a deal breaker by any means. And I've seen other devices drain while charging if you throw too much at them. Again, not a deal breaker. You just need to use some common sense as to what kind of things to avoid doing while charging. It's a total non-issue.
Bnmcj1... Where are you seeing huge price drops on the IPad Pro? I don't have any charging issues with mine, my battery charges when plugged in and in use, the battery generally gives about 10 hours before having to plug in. It's a bigger device, of course it takes a little longer to charge but honestly I haven't really noticed it because I charge all my devices overnight.
I love mine, it's obviously not for everyone but to compare it to an IPad 3 or say it's ten times worse...well let's just agree to disagree. For someone who doesn't own one, you sure have a lot of complaints about it, probably a good thing you never bought one!
I love mine, it's obviously not for everyone but to compare it to an IPad 3 or say it's ten times worse...well let's just agree to disagree. For someone who doesn't own one, you sure have a lot of complaints about it, probably a good thing you never bought one!
Wow I get over 11 hours on my iPad pro, I don't even worry about charging since its charging while I sleep at night. I never have charging or battery issues even if it is slow or fast charge (I would not know because I'm sleep). When I wake up my iPad pro is fully charged and gets me through the entire day and evening. I don't think anyone should have any complaints unless you're maximizing brightness which will occur on any mobile device; I'm always on 75% brightness. There are no price drops on this device...where is your logic. This is absolutely a longevity device and should be kept. Current technology = A9X, 4 GB DDR4 ram, 32 or 128 GB with fastest NAND out there, Apple pencil support (best stylus ever), and smart keyboard (portability and quick multitasking). This is the most current technology (3D touch is unnecessary and not even being used for many). Your whole post is a mess.
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Using desktop OS on a touch device is an awful experience. They are not optimised and that is why you won't see it happen. Apple be best off continuing developing IOS for iPhone and iPad. If an iPad was to run OSX then I would ditch it and buy a MacBook instead which is a device best suited with its trackpad to use it. For those who then say they want an iPad with a trackpad or mouse then think that is taking a step backwards and might as well drop touchscreen interface.
Getting back to the wants for an IPP 2, not much really. Just quicker charging, more storage options, faster speeds for transferring large files and improvements in IOS 10 e.g. Easier to select apps for slide over/split view, ability to run 2-4 apps on the screen at once.
Quicker charging is a great point. People may say "Well, I charge it overnight", but when it's used in a fixed installation (bolted down as a music mixer used all day), it needs to be able to charge faster than it's being used so that it never runs out. The Pro crazily uses the same 12W charger as the regular iPads despite the much larger battery. I'll bet the Pro 2 has a better charger.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yes-the-ipad-pro-charges-slowly-here’s-why.1939002/
More applications side by side are also a no-brainer and that's why the Pro 2 will have more RAM. The Pro 1 feels kind of like the iPad 1. Looks great on paper until you project 12-24 months into the future and realize it's a pilot project to see what people want, and that it'll never be able to compete with the second model (that's how they plan to sell the 2nd to you too). For example, the iPad 1 is dead at iOS 5.1.1, whereas the iPad 2 runs iOS 9. Waiting for the second model will ensure it'll be raised above the "bare minimum specs" to something a bit more future-iOS-proof, when users have figured out what they want the new device to do and seen all the limitations.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yes-the-ipad-pro-charges-slowly-here’s-why.1939002/
More applications side by side are also a no-brainer and that's why the Pro 2 will have more RAM. The Pro 1 feels kind of like the iPad 1. Looks great on paper until you project 12-24 months into the future and realize it's a pilot project to see what people want, and that it'll never be able to compete with the second model (that's how they plan to sell the 2nd to you too). For example, the iPad 1 is dead at iOS 5.1.1, whereas the iPad 2 runs iOS 9. Waiting for the second model will ensure it'll be raised above the "bare minimum specs" to something a bit more future-iOS-proof, when users have figured out what they want the new device to do and seen all the limitations.
I wondered about that. It was still draining charging with the WiFi on and I was like, eh....
Once I stopped using it, switched off the WiFi the battery percentage was climbing.
Nothing is stopping you from using a charger with a higher output, like from a usb-charging hub.
I am scratching my head and trying to figure out how the 1st gen iPad pro can possibly be obsoleted given its specs. The 1st gen iPad was underpowered compared to even the iPhone 4 released later that year. This iPad pro sports specs that completely eclipse any other iOS device in the market.
As it stands, many apps still run ably on the iPad mini 2, and don't even come close to taxing the iPad Air 2. I don't see apps being designed that tax the iPad pro as the market is simply too small at this juncture. Based on specs alone, this iPad pro should be supported long beyond Apple's typical 4-year update cycle.
No, here is a quote from the thread I linked above: "Note that as best as I can tell, the device is configured for a maximum input current of 2400mA at the Lightening port (again, that’s what the device is reporting), so be wary of any 3rd party chargers that claim to charge it faster than the stock charger. I’ve not seen anything like that, but it seems like a likely scam…". So chargers that yield more amperes (and thus higher watts) are not going to be any faster. The hardware of the Pro is capped.
And yes the iPad Pro 1 is overpowered compared to phones and small tablets. It is underpowered compared to the Surface Pro. 4GB RAM vs 16GB. And since they aim at the same market, the iPad Pro will increase its multitasking abilities, the apps will get more advanced, until 4GB does not cut it. If it was 8GB RAM and had a charger supporting 24/7 use in a fixed always-charging installation, then it'd be futureproof. But Apple needed to limit a few things to let the iPad 1 thing happen all over again: Cut down specs compared to expected evolutionary needs, release it, wait for feedback when people find the limitations, and raise the specs for the iPad Pro 2, and then just iterate casually after that.
The iPad Pro 1 is a gamble, as the whole ecosystem needs time to adapt and figure out what it wants. The second model will be the one that fits all needs and lasts for years. When the shortcomings are highlighted, Apple can either sit on their old specs or raise them for the second model. To keep up, they'll raise them. That's what will happen. I expect the iPad Pro 2 in Oct/Nov 2016 to take care of all discovered shortcomings in this brand new platform, and then moving to a 2 year update cycle AFTER that.
One thing they have to work on is the weight. If they could shave of 100g that would be great. I don't know how they will do that though. They will probably need to reduce the battery size.
Apple will never merge the two OS's together. Besides the obvious point of cannibalized sales, iOS in itself is a tremendous OS that provides a simple, seamless, beautiful user experience. iOS is now a robust OS that will continue to grow independent of OSX.
As an Apple consumer, I have learned that Apple relishes the opportunity to refine the user experience and will not waste its time creating a device that does not kick butt. The iPP would be a "loser" if based on OSX. People would just gravitate towards Apple's awesome Macbook devices. Without a dedicated mouse, OS X would be a mess. The iPP is fine on iOS. The OS just needs some software modifications (file management, more multi-tasking, etc.).
As an Apple consumer, I have learned that Apple relishes the opportunity to refine the user experience and will not waste its time creating a device that does not kick butt. The iPP would be a "loser" if based on OSX. People would just gravitate towards Apple's awesome Macbook devices. Without a dedicated mouse, OS X would be a mess. The iPP is fine on iOS. The OS just needs some software modifications (file management, more multi-tasking, etc.).