Are you serious? Because I have been using my iPad mini 3 charger. Should I take out my Pro charger? How can you tell the difference from its appearance?
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iPad Pro 2, Oct 2016, Thoughts?
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Are you serious? Because I have been using my iPad mini 3 charger. Should I take out my Pro charger? How can you tell the difference from its appearance?
I bought my Pro cellular thinking it is a longevity device like the iPad 2. I'm hoping to get 3+ years out of it.
Physically, they look the same, but my iPad Air 2 charger says 10 watts right on it. I don't have a Pro, but my understanding is that the charger that comes packaged with it is 12 watts. So yeah, break out that charger that came in the box.
I think that there are probably quite a few people that are using the 10 watt chargers from their previous iPads to charge their Pro and then noticing an extra slow charging time by using the smaller wattage.
My charger that came with my iPad pro charges it pretty fast for what it's worth.....but I'm sleep usually so I will never know how fast it actually is
Lol then, cause I felt the charging was pretty slow. Time to break out the new charger.
The Pro being my first iPad. No other chargers to use. Though I charge it through the Mac Pro.
Charging iPads from a computer port is always much slower than charging from a wall outlet.
Macs can deliver 10W via USB and PCs can deliver 5W. Apple extended USB to let their devices negotiate more juice.
But 10W is only enough to power the non-pro iPads 24/7. With the iPad Pro it would just keep draining, so we'll need to wait for the 2nd version with a stronger charger plugged straight into the wall, to be able to use the iPad Pros in fixed always-on installations.
The too-slow charging which drains the battery if simultaneously in use, the low RAM (not ready for the inevitably enhanced multitasking and mega-powerful apps coming soon), the underpowered GPU compared to the insane amount of pixels on screen, and other issues are why we'll see the iPad Pro 2 in Oct 2016. They did the exact same thing with the original iPad 1; release, await apps that take advantage of the device, await criticisms of the weaknesses, fix the flaws. That's why the iPad 2 is now the oldest device that runs iOS 9 while the iPad 1 is stuck at iOS 5. They could have given us a powerful device out of the gate but they preferred to let us be guinea pigs to figure out our minimum specs to save them money. I'm not repeating that mistake again. Fool me once, shame on Apple, fool me twice, shame on me. But I know that some fanboys think I am a fool for pointing out the obvious logic in Apple initially aiming the device lower (at the low needs of the casual consumer-level masses) to save manufacturing costs, and only raising the specs when the inevitably more-advanced apps have exceeded the launch specs. The Pro is a lot better dimensioned for its time than the iPad 1 was and it'll be relevant for casual users for many years to come, but it's nowhere near good enough for the future of Surface-style computing.
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There's not much that could improve on the iPad Pro for me. Mostly iOS improvements I would like to see. I hope iOS 10 is really feature rich for the Pro specifically. I want APIs for cross-app interactions in split view and slide over. Some kind of file management would be nice even if it's just a rudimentary documents app.
The other thing I would like is a hardware redesign. The look has gotten kind of stale after three generations and I'd love to see something like the IPhone 6s design with more rounded bezels and full glass face.
The other thing I would like is a hardware redesign. The look has gotten kind of stale after three generations and I'd love to see something like the IPhone 6s design with more rounded bezels and full glass face.
Increased multitasking power is a guarantee. It's inevitable. That's where more RAM will be needed later.
File management goes against iOS design principles (and per-app sandboxing) but maybe Apple will solve that too somehow. I hope so... The problem is that if you look at the iOS filesystem, it's all a bunch of per-app ".app" folders with "Documents" sub-folders for each app. They cannot access each other's files, etc. There's no global document area either. So if they do give us a file manager, it'd be something that requires app makers to jump onboard to be able to show up in some sort of "tap an app in the file manager to see what files it has, and move/copy them to other apps". Sharing the exact same document between multiple apps may be impossible due to sandboxing, unless they redesign how sandboxing works (like having a shared document area, with per-app per-file access rights). It'd be finicky. Hard to tell if Apple would be able to solve it to a degree that satisfies their usability standards...
And yeah I totally agree about the hardware design being stale. Rounded bezels are a lot sexier and a redesign would look great.
In a sense we dont really have more playable ram to use. Since the pro has 2x the resolution as an ipad air 2 that has 2gb of ram.
Atleast thats the way im seeing it.
Touch screen is better for drawing, notes and most consumption functions. Pointing device and keyboard better for essentially all other productivity cases. This points naturally to hybrid devices like the Surface.
This feature was added in iOS 9 actually, with iCloud Drive. Apps still have their app folders but documents are no longer sandboxed like they were before. I can edit a Pages document stored in PDF Expert's app folder and view Pages documents from PDF Expert for example.
More importantly, you can create folders in iCloud Drive using the iOS 9 iCloud Drive app. So, you can finally create project or topic folders and mix document types, like keep your Office documents in the same folder for a project. It also lets you do basic file management like move, rename.
This is all without having to do "open in another app" like before.
It's not quite the Finder by any means but it's huge progress.
No, that's not how it works. There is still a set amount of RAM allocated to the GPU. I doubt they put the additional 2gb of RAM to the GPU.
Also, it has 2x the resolution?
didn't they already give us some sort of file manager with the icloud drive app?
i'm not that convinced that increased multitasking is a top priority. when working, most people use just one app, with the occasional switching to another. personally, I don't see the need for ios downloading a torrent and encoding a video in the background, while you're surfing the web. also not sure about the ram - apple still sells computers with 4gb of memory - if you'd asked me 10 years ago, how much ram you should pack into your computer, i'd have replied: at least 8gb, better take 16, to be safe. so, hardware cycles are slowing down - going back another 10 years, i'd have said: better get 8MB, but 4 should work just fine
also, i knew lots of people who had 10-20 apps (e.g.m photoshop, illustrator, final cut, safari,...) open all the time on their mac when they only had 2-4 gb of ram (and apps were still called programs). there's still a long way until ios apps get as feature-complete as mac apps were 10 years ago. yes, screen resolutions have quadrupled since then, but isn't that more a question of the gpu (and maybe dedicated graphics ram)?
i'd say, apple's top priority should be creating pro-software for their ipad pro - or encouraging developers to do so. the hardware will get better, but it's mostly there, imho. but there's still not a lot of software out there, that can be labeled "pro" - maybe auria for music, maybe some office/productivity-apps, apps that use the ipad as a drawing pad and some insular cases of specialized software - but that's it afaik. no decent video editing, compositing, image manipulation (pixelmator is nice, though), 3d-modelling, cad, coding,...
i'm not that convinced that increased multitasking is a top priority. when working, most people use just one app, with the occasional switching to another. personally, I don't see the need for ios downloading a torrent and encoding a video in the background, while you're surfing the web. also not sure about the ram - apple still sells computers with 4gb of memory - if you'd asked me 10 years ago, how much ram you should pack into your computer, i'd have replied: at least 8gb, better take 16, to be safe. so, hardware cycles are slowing down - going back another 10 years, i'd have said: better get 8MB, but 4 should work just fine
also, i knew lots of people who had 10-20 apps (e.g.m photoshop, illustrator, final cut, safari,...) open all the time on their mac when they only had 2-4 gb of ram (and apps were still called programs). there's still a long way until ios apps get as feature-complete as mac apps were 10 years ago. yes, screen resolutions have quadrupled since then, but isn't that more a question of the gpu (and maybe dedicated graphics ram)?i'd say, apple's top priority should be creating pro-software for their ipad pro - or encouraging developers to do so. the hardware will get better, but it's mostly there, imho. but there's still not a lot of software out there, that can be labeled "pro" - maybe auria for music, maybe some office/productivity-apps, apps that use the ipad as a drawing pad and some insular cases of specialized software - but that's it afaik. no decent video editing, compositing, image manipulation (pixelmator is nice, though), 3d-modelling, cad, coding,...
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The resolution is not double that of the air 2, therefore you do have most of that 4 GB as useable ram.....most likely 3.2 to 3.5 GB is usable especially with iOS which is highly optimized for low ram usage. Apple was smart to not increase the ppi as well since it's the same as the iPad Air 2 at 264 ppi. Also, this is not a 4K display...I don't think Apple is even touching the surface of the 4 GB of ram in this device. Also, why would it need that much ram to power the display, the enhanced GPU can handle this very well
iPad Pro resolution = 2732 * 2048 w/ 264 ppi
iPad Air 2 resolution = 2048 * 1536 w/ 264 ppi
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OS X will never come to the iPad. iOS will evolve to support better productivity but its roots will always be touch-centric iOS. OS X will become a niche OS supporting legacy apps or functions that cannot yet be ported to an iOS workflow.
It's pretty easy to see that this is where Apple is going with its devices. An entire generation is growing up used to the "iPad way" of computing, and when they're adults they'll be ready to keep using iOS as their work devices. Apple is wisely planning things beyond just next one or two product cycles.
What we're used to? Definitely. Better? Debatable. It's more natural and intuitive to reach out and touch what we want rather than using an intermediary device like a mouse; we're born doing the former and have to be taught to do the latter. As iOS becomes better at interpreting our touches and selecting what we want (it's not always a great experience manipulating text through touch today, I grant it) it will eventually be "better" to use touch for essentially all other productivity cases, as you put it. When your grandkids see you using a mouse and pointer someday they'll scoff, and the big debate amongst their generation will be whether or not it's better to use touch or mind control for productivity.
It's pretty easy to see that this is where Apple is going with its devices. An entire generation is growing up used to the "iPad way" of computing, and when they're adults they'll be ready to keep using iOS as their work devices. Apple is wisely planning things beyond just next one or two product cycles.
What we're used to? Definitely. Better? Debatable. It's more natural and intuitive to reach out and touch what we want rather than using an intermediary device like a mouse; we're born doing the former and have to be taught to do the latter. As iOS becomes better at interpreting our touches and selecting what we want (it's not always a great experience manipulating text through touch today, I grant it) it will eventually be "better" to use touch for essentially all other productivity cases, as you put it. When your grandkids see you using a mouse and pointer someday they'll scoff, and the big debate amongst their generation will be whether or not it's better to use touch or mind control for productivity.
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With the new, smaller 9.7 inch iPad Pro launched today, the next logical step is an even larger 24 inch iPad Pro. With OS X.
Just kidding. Maybe... ;-)
Just kidding. Maybe... ;-)
No. I'm thinking it could be another 18 months if they want to bring it back into line with the fall iPad refreshes.
[doublepost=1458633503][/doublepost]I think most of the improvements needed would be software - eg refreshed homescreen with more icons or a different layout, or mouse support. Maybe a new keyboard accessory with a trackpad. Neither needs new iPad hardware though. The 4GB and A9X should be solid enough for a good while
[doublepost=1458633503][/doublepost]I think most of the improvements needed would be software - eg refreshed homescreen with more icons or a different layout, or mouse support. Maybe a new keyboard accessory with a trackpad. Neither needs new iPad hardware though. The 4GB and A9X should be solid enough for a good while
I agree- I don't think OS X will ever come to iPads. It will be the other way around. OS X will eventually fade away, and iOS will be on all devices, including macs. Basically we will just be deciding what size device we want, and maybe a couple specs like memory and CPU. Otherwise the devices will all operate the same and look the same on the screen, whether it's a phone, tablet, or monitor/tv. We will just be choosing size for our use case.