iPad Pro 2, Oct 2016, Thoughts?


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Mac adoption increased because of intel. I can't see this flying and the article or activity from apple was no doubt linked to the Surface and arm move, however consumers didn't want it. Many technology companies look at many things, most of those things never see the light of day.. this is just another ugly still born..
 
Apart from the above list of improvements, what do you think the iPad Pro 1 lacks so far?

for me? software software software

i think the Pro hardware is ace. really really impressive. and yes, it can and will be improved. always bigger and better next month. but as it stands the hardware is sound for me.

but i'm so disappointing the software issue hasn't yet caught up. i thought it would A LOT quicker than it has. everyone says it'll catch up, which probably some time it will, but it really is taking time.

but will it? will devs actually spend the time and money creating more 'pro' or desktop stylee apps? will it be worth their profitable time and massive development costs?

as a pro artist myself i can only dream of using the Pro in a proper 'pro' situation because of lack of compatible and desktop software. pure and simple.
yes, a mouse and better multi-tasking would help, but all useless unless i have the industry standard software i'm used to.

i love the idea of the surface pro tablet being able to use the software i'd love to use. shame the hardware isnt up to it though.

so no, until then the Pro for me will lack in proper productivity. it does me as an admin tool at present. a very efficient and good fee earning admin tool, but not what i'd ideally like from it.

the only break through i can see into improving this 'pro' situation is to enable normal desk top software to run on it somehow.
 
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but i'm so disappointing the software issue hasn't yet caught up. i thought it would A LOT quicker than it has. everyone says it'll catch up, which probably some time it will, but it really is taking time.

but will it? will devs actually spend the time and money creating more 'pro' or desktop stylee apps? will it be worth their profitable time and massive development costs?
It will not catch up, imo. Pro software is too complicated for finger size menu selections. Also, why port to a ui with no pointer or mouse support, and no external drive support.

i love the idea of the surface pro tablet being able to use the software i'd love to use. shame the hardware isnt up to it though.

I think the hardware is fine. The pencil may have so slight advantages over surface pen, but they are greatly
overstated by the apple fans. However, this has been a buggy release cycle for both MS hardware and software.
 
I hope they bring out a new iPad Pro in Oct! I think by then, and each year after, the iPad Pro (small and large versions) will be at parity on most features. Plus Apple are unlikely to have a new iPhone have a faster CPU than the iPad pros!

This is putting me off buying the pro now as the iPad air 2 is amazing value due to its recent discount. I have an iPad air 2 16 but always wish i'd got the 64. Now I'm real tempted to sell and up to a 64 as I'm more interested in more storage than powerful CPU.
 
I would say the same for you. Arm-based macs doesn't imply an iPad with a keyboard. Apple likely has their own vested interests in wanting to use their own homegrown processor designs instead of being beholden to Intel's increasingly erratic product roadmap, but this doesn't mean that iOS and OSX will merge anytime soon.



I am prepared to go out on a limb and bet with you that the iPad will never run OSX. I do believe that Apple will keep adding more productivity-oriented features to iOS to make it fit with their vision of mobile computing. I won't be surprised if Apple finally decides to fork iOS into both iPhone OS and iPad OS and develop both separately. However, I don't see the iPad running OSX (in its current Mac incarnation) ever.

I predict that we will eventually see iOS improve in capability until it rivals the functionality of desktop OSes, without compromising the strengths of its platform (power efficiency, ease of use, better security). These are things you arguably lose by moving over to a desktop platform, even OSX, which is more resource intensive and power hungry.

This change won't happen overnight. It will take years, but when it does occur, you will be glad that Apple did not take the short-sighted path of simply slapping OSX on a tablet and calling it a day.



Right now, I feel that specs aren't the iPad Pro's primary concern. I would like to see the iPad Pro get updated to support 4k video recording (it can edit 4k video, so why not cut out the middleman and let the user record video on it directly?), 3D touch, 2nd-gen touch-ID and Hey-Siri (essentially putting it on par with the 6S), but these are very incremental updates and I feel the user experience isn't significantly impacted without them.

I feel Apple should just scrap the 32gb as well. I get there are people who might buy the iPad Pro just as a larger entertainment device, but what kind of message are you sending?

Personally, I won't be surprised if the iPad moves to a 2-year refresh cycle. At this point, the hardware is quite mature, and I don't think there are quite enough incremental changes that can be made to justify minor refreshes on an annual basis.

The biggest issue is getting developers to support the device by creating more powerful productivity apps that really tax the system and allow people to get meaningful work done. The hardware is more than capable, the main issue is the software.

Apple could walk the talk by releasing an iPad version of X-code, optimised for a touch interface. What would be more convenient than coding iOS apps and testing them directly on the iOS device itself?

There are already apps that allow people to do web development, edit 4k video and podcasts on a tablet. However, I don't think people are quite aware of them, so Apple could help advertise these capabilities here. Apple could also reach out to developers and work with them to create the sort of apps that iOS is noticeably lacking.

At the end of the day, I feel it's still all about the software.

While I agree with you that the iPad would probably never run OS X, I think differently about the iPad's refresh cycle.

As far as any exterior / design changes, the 2 year update cycle might work well (just the same as the iPhone).
However, if the iPhone will be receiving annual SOC updates (and it probably will...), the iPad will also have to receive annual SOC updates as well.
After all, the iPad should be more powerful than the iPhone.

TL;DR : No OS X on iPads EVER. Annual SOC updates, and bi-annual design updates.
 
Maybe I have a radical dream, but ever since my first ipad, gen 1, i have thought an ipad pro styled hybrid running osx would be a sensational product; allows ios in tablet mode and then switches to osx when keyboard attached for srious work. The ipad Air 2 does every i need it to do, besides being a laptop replacement. It is fantastic for apps, basic productivity, and writing short documents or basic excel spreadsheets.
Where the ipad falls short of my macbook is the way there is no finder or a system explorer. I have used macs since tiger, and i hate not having the ability to store my documents and data in organised folders, that I can rapidly open, edit, save, and store away. The current system is ad-hoc and centred on the capabilities of the app; if one is to only use apple apps, then the icloud drive may suffice. Dropbox is an interesting but secondary compromise that doesn't replicate having my files in folders stored locally, or on a NAS.

Another incentive to upgrade my ipad would be an OLED display. I do not feel that a 4/5k display would actually have any discernible benefits over the current ipad-pro screen, however, when 4k films and content become more widely adopted, a 4k screen may be justified, despite the intangible benefits it may bring, although 4k HDR OLED would certainly be an interesting proposition.
 
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but i'm so disappointing the software issue hasn't yet caught up. i thought it would A LOT quicker than it has. everyone says it'll catch up, which probably some time it will, but it really is taking time.

but will it? will devs actually spend the time and money creating more 'pro' or desktop stylee apps? will it be worth their profitable time and massive development costs?

The answer will be "no" as long as Apple doesn't do two things in the App Store: (1) allow fully-functional trials, and (2) allow paid upgrades.

I will never pay more that $20 for software I cannot fully try before purchase. I can't properly evaluate complex software just by using a version with locked features. So no, unlocking important functions via in-app purchases doesn't work for me (and in some cases this isn't even allowed by the current App Store rules).
 
The answer will be "no" as long as Apple doesn't do two things in the App Store: (1) allow fully-functional trials, and (2) allow paid upgrades.

I will never pay more that $20 for software I cannot fully try before purchase. I can't properly evaluate complex software just by using a version with locked features. So no, unlocking important functions via in-app purchases doesn't work for me (and in some cases this isn't even allowed by the current App Store rules).

yes, trails (full trails) should be available. even time-locked trails or something.

you can usually get full refunds now (i recently did on something a while back after i didnt like it) but it's a faff to do with no 'proper' or established protocol to do so.

but this wont open the floodgates for devs to develop desktop apps for the ipad though? a fully functional photoshop, cinema4d, 3dsmax etc etc would be ideal. yup, there are smaller and workaround apps sometimes, but why not the full beans? i wouldnt expect to do desktop style intensive tasks on them, but the option would be nice. tis a shame :(
 
Pro software is too complicated for finger size menu selections. Also, why port to a ui with no pointer or mouse support, and no external drive support.

There are wonderfully designed touch apps which make the menu-based apps look like ancient software. Also, the Pencil can be easier to use than a mouse.
 
It will not catch up, imo. Pro software is too complicated for finger size menu selections. Also, why port to a ui with no pointer or mouse support, and no external drive support.

well, using software like Duet allows me to use my desktop software through the ui of my Pro using my Pencil to fantastic effect. yes, it's smaller obviously than my 30inch monitors, but works and fits a treat even so. just a shame im yet to find a lag free solution.
as for external drive support? wi-fi'd up to my pc is good for me together with dropbox when needed.
 
Screw the iPad Pro 2 - I want the iPad Pro 10.

It will be the weight and size of a piece of paper, foldable into a 1x1'' square, indestructible, a life-long battery that never needs to be charged, water proof, and the screen will change into the next next next version of e-ink for when you're reading - being indistinguishable from a printed page.

It will also have a hologram keyboard.

Touch ID 1 and 32 GB storage space will still be the base model though.

OMG, this is good, made me laugh so hard lol
 
Are you serious? Because I have been using my iPad mini 3 charger. Should I take out my Pro charger? How can you tell the difference from its appearance?

I do specifically use the charger Pro 12.9" came with, and yes it's true, that charges much faster. First time I didn't know and tried to charge with the tiny square one which came with iPhone, and it was joke lol I thought my iPad having something charging issue(s) and figured that's because of the charger watts difference. Silly me lol
 
The iPad Pro 2 will likely be an iPad Pro with beefier internals. More powerful processor, better battery, better camera, and maybe faster storage are likely. The software will likely be an improved iOS.

i'd say, apple's top priority should be creating pro-software for their ipad pro - or encouraging developers to do so. the hardware will get better, but it's mostly there, imho. but there's still not a lot of software out there, that can be labeled "pro" - maybe auria for music, maybe some office/productivity-apps, apps that use the ipad as a drawing pad and some insular cases of specialized software - but that's it afaik. no decent video editing, compositing, image manipulation (pixelmator is nice, though), 3d-modelling, cad, coding,...


What kind of work are you going to do without external storage, a pointing device, or industry standard apps?
Artwork: it is a great sketch device
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Touch screen is better for drawing, notes and most consumption functions. Pointing device and keyboard better for essentially all other productivity cases. This points naturally to hybrid devices like the Surface.

Please, don't troll the windows haters with common sense
 
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after watch os! it will change your life

Watch OS is an OS for a companion device ...

What kind of work are you going to do without external storage, a pointing device, or industry standard apps?
Artwork: it is a great sketch device
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Please, don't troll the windows haters with common sense

Thungs that can be done quite well without external storage, but with the Apple Pencil, that aren't just drawing artwork. There is the standard industrial design. Then there's editing video. Editing PSD with multiple layers. Writing your next novel, blog post, or news story. Basic spreadsheets work with Excel.

Do I need to keep going?
 
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external storage

iOS can access external storage. There's wifi drives, NAS drives, cloud storage, flash drives that plug into the Lightning port... I may be forgetting some other options. Point is, there are ways to access external storage, if you need it.
 
i personally hope for better battery life , more cellular options, the ipad pro 1 is still good some not sure what upgrades the ipad pro 2 will get!?
 
It's a good possibility that the 9.7" Pro 2 could be released this Fall, alongside the 12.9" Pro 2. After skipping the Air 2, because it wasn't worth the upgrade for me, I knew I would definitely be buying the next 9.7" released.

I plan on getting the 9.7" on Thursday. However, if the Pro 2 is released in the Fall, and it has some new features that I like, I will sell my 9.7" and get the new one.
 
It's a good possibility that the 9.7" Pro 2 could be released this Fall, alongside the 12.9" Pro 2. After skipping the Air 2, because it wasn't worth the upgrade for me, I knew I would definitely be buying the next 9.7" released.

I plan on getting the 9.7" on Thursday. However, if the Pro 2 is released in the Fall, and it has some new features that I like, I will sell my 9.7" and get the new one.

ye i agree , i have ipad air 2 , and i want a ipad pro , but prob i'm going to wait for the pro 2 , hopefully it will be released at fall.
 
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