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Is this a generation of whining? As a developer I have to carry a laptop, a phone, oh the horrors. I bought a bag to carry them all. My shoulder and neck are strained with the extra 5 lbs.

Its not weight, its bulk and bag space too. Not just the device, but chargers, cables and whatnot. One device that can do it all would be significantly easier to transport around.
 
I have heard this quite a bit since the iPad Pro's introduction so I have two serious questions for everyone in the OS X on the iPad camp:

1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?

2. What apps would you like to run that there isn't already an optimized iOS equivalent available?

Everyone has their own opinions and usage patterns, but my answer to your questions are:

1. No benefit at all. The iPad is optimized for what it does. If I want a very portable Mac OS machine, I'll get one of the new MacBooks.

2. I am a computer programmer, and there are a TON of things I do on Mac OS that I cannot do on my iPad. Even if Apple keeps focusing on making the iPad more and more "pro", it will be many years before it can replace everything I do.

That being said, I love my iPad, and I use it for different things. When I am not working, I probably spend 10x more time with my iPad than my Mac.
 
Everyone has their own opinions and usage patterns, but my answer to your questions are:

1. No benefit at all. The iPad is optimized for what it does. If I want a very portable Mac OS machine, I'll get one of the new MacBooks.

2. I am a computer programmer, and there are a TON of things I do on Mac OS that I cannot do on my iPad. Even if Apple keeps focusing on making the iPad more and more "pro", it will be many years before it can replace everything I do.

That being said, I love my iPad, and I use it for different things. When I am not working, I probably spend 10x more time with my iPad than my Mac.

But standard Mac laptops lack two things the iPad has - a touch screen and one-handed use. Not everyone needs a touch screen, but it can be tremendously convenient for certain tasks.
 
I have heard this quite a bit since the iPad Pro's introduction so I have two serious questions for everyone in the OS X on the iPad camp:

1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?

2. What apps would you like to run that there isn't already an optimized iOS equivalent available?

How about terminal for a start and system activity finder disk utility. Listen if you cant get root access on your device without jailbreaking whats the point of owning a unix machine.
 
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I think that iOS can be the future of computing, but apple is taking a very slow bottom up approach to change how people interact with computers, and unfortunately that means they will only be useful for light tasks like email/docs/web for the time being.


I love using iOS but that is a nightmarish prediction. I just fear that it's actually a possibility that this might come true.
 
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How about terminal for a start and system activity finder disk utility. Listen if you cant get root access on your device without jailbreaking whats the point of owning a unix machine.

Who cares? What is important is that the OS works and supports the user, not that is follows a 50 year old api some nerds created. Many things changed in this time...
 
How about terminal for a start and system activity finder disk utility. Listen if you cant get root access on your device without jailbreaking whats the point of owning a unix machine.
If you want all of that and you want ultra portability of an 13" screen BUY THE MACBOOK. Its not like Apple doesn't provide any device with OSX anymore and they focus only on iOS !
yes if Apple would get rid of Macs then this iPAD pro probably would have dual boot for iOS and OSX BUT IS NOT THE CASE, you have Options in your brand ecosystem
 
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Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

We've come to expect that bigger versions of iOS devices (e.g. iPhone Plus vs iPhone, iPad Air vs iPad mini) usually cost $100 more. And those even have a couple pros other than size over their smaller sibling too (iPhone Plus has OIS and longer battery life, iPad Air has more accurate colors, was thinner and faster until recently).

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air. Other than that, stuff like the A9X and other incremental hardware updates would have been expected on the $500 iPad Air 3, had it been released this fall as usual instead of the Pro.

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO. The active stylus + digitizer is worth another $100. I think $69 would have been a reasonable price for the Smart Keyboard (same price as the Bluetooth Apple keyboard). That would have brought the total price to $768. In reality it's $1067, and that's completely nuts. It's a shame because the hardware itself is pretty attractive.

The iPad pro is truly a PRO device, targeted at the Pro user. It's competing with other Pro devices such as Wacom, and executive high end users. In that market, the price point of the iPad pro is reasonable, even a bargain.
 
Apple also says the tablet is faster than 80% of portable PCs shipped in the last 12 months.

Playing games with the numbers, many of those devices that it's comparing to are a fraction of the price of an iPad Pro. How fast is it compared to shipped units in the same price range?
 
Playing games with the numbers, many of those devices that it's comparing to are a fraction of the price of an iPad Pro. How fast is it compared to shipped units in the same price range?
Maybe a lot of people who bought in the last year a pc portable are poor and took a mid range hardware cpu and gpu
 
Is this a generation of whining? As a developer I have to carry a laptop, a phone, oh the horrors. I bought a bag to carry them all. My shoulder and neck are strained with the extra 5 lbs.

It's not the weight. It's the compiling and Simulating on an x86 machine when the real target is ARM. Also time wasted on downloading, cables that can get lost in the bag, left behind, etc.

Cross-compiling apps might have been necessary back in the day of PalmPilots, but any new iPad easily rivals or beats a supercomputer or Unix build server from that era.
 
The iPad pro is truly a PRO device, targeted at the Pro user. It's competing with other Pro devices such as Wacom, and executive high end users. In that market, the price point of the iPad pro is reasonable, even a bargain.

What pro users are those?

Even in the demo of the Adobe software that image of the woman with the non smile was imported from camera roll. Now how did that image get there? Also, what sort of resolution was that photo. No designer will want a document that's using a compressed image within it.

At the moment the only pro thing about it is the word 'pro' on the box.
 
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By the way - are all forgetting that each iPhone cost around 1000$ at the top model and the iPad1 did, too?

And I really get the feeling many here have a twisted idea of what pro means:

professional |prəˈfɛʃ(ə)n(ə)l|

adjective
1 relating to or belonging to a profession: young professional people.• worthy of or appropriate to a professional person; competent, skilful, or assured: his professional expertise | their music is both memorable and professional.
2 engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur: a professional boxer.• informal, derogatory habitually making a feature of a particular activity or attribute: a professional gloom-monger.

noun
a person engaged or qualified in a profession: professionals such as lawyers and surveyors.• a person engaged in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime. his first season as a professional.• a person competent or skilled in a particular activity: she was a real professional on stage.
 
let's be real, the only people that are gonna buy it are Chinese tourists so they can use it to take pictures while on vacation.
 
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Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

We've come to expect that bigger versions of iOS devices (e.g. iPhone Plus vs iPhone, iPad Air vs iPad mini) usually cost $100 more. And those even have a couple pros other than size over their smaller sibling too (iPhone Plus has OIS and longer battery life, iPad Air has more accurate colors, was thinner and faster until recently).

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air. Other than that, stuff like the A9X and other incremental hardware updates would have been expected on the $500 iPad Air 3, had it been released this fall as usual instead of the Pro.

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO. The active stylus + digitizer is worth another $100. I think $69 would have been a reasonable price for the Smart Keyboard (same price as the Bluetooth Apple keyboard). That would have brought the total price to $768. In reality it's $1067, and that's completely nuts. It's a shame because the hardware itself is pretty attractive.

The iPad pro is truly a PRO device, targeted at the Pro user. It's competing with other Pro devices such as Wacom, and executive high end users. In that market, the price point of the iPad pro is reasonable, even a bargain.

Definitely, having a lag-free and precise stylus environment is not a $100 feature. It alone easily covers the difference in price between the iPad Pro and Air.

Of course there's also the actual stereo speakers instead of the effectively mono sound from all previous iOS devices. The previous method of having left and right close together on the bottom meant that landscape video was basically mono, and even portrait put the speakers too close together.

And the improved storage access might not just involve a different controller, but possibly different flash cell storage as well. This usually bumps the cost up.

Most likely, these features couldn't be put into the Air due to cost, and space restrictions for the speakers and maybe screen. So, the Air could have received the CPU, but if it's memory or storage access bound, then that would have been pointless. Maybe the M9 that drives Hey Siri could have found its way into the Air.

Xcode.

As a developer, I usually have to carry an iPhone (or two), an iPad and a MacBook laptop. If Xcode ran on an iPad (the Pro would likely be faster at building apps than last years MBA 11), I could leave the laptop at home and use the iPhone as the lldb console for testing apps on the iPad, or vice versa. No more inaccurate x86 Simulator, or waiting for apps to load over USB to the iPad for testing.

According to Apple, there are around 1M iOS developers, so it's not like this is a non-existent market segment.

Especially for new entrants into the iOS dev space, having XCode on iPad would be huge for slashing the cost, cutting out the need for a MacBook [Air]. Actually, what would be even cheaper, would be XCode on AppleTV, assuming people already have an 1080p TV, then adding a Bluetooth keyboard with trackpad would make it the absolutely cheapest iOS platform.
 
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