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All in all Apple recognized that Microsoft have something with the whole 2 in 1 thing and decided to jump on the train without having to admit that.

The key difference is that they decided that it will be easier to turn an iOS based device into a 2 in 1 instead of a OSX one.. now how much of that was them not being ready to do that with OSX is another story.
Nah they still haven't jumped on the train, they are still using a crappie mobile OS Despite very clearly the ffuture will be true desktop capability OS on a tablet.

Intel are constantly releasing new chips that consume far less power but better output to the point where you don't even need fans etc now in some cases.

Why use a gimped OS when you can have the best of both worlds?
 
Yes, I agree but Apple was taking aim at the $500 market while Microsoft came in just a little higher at $800 but offered a full OS and a 3 in 1 device(tablet, laptop keyboard, docking station). Now Apple is trying to get into the higher $800+ starting price tablet market but they brought a tablet that doesn't dock, doesn't offer a full OS, and has a keyboard and stylus straight from the Surface line.

My other favorite part was when they claimed iPhone Live Photos was all new. Wrong. Nokia's Windows 8.1 phones have had this feature for over two years. Apple like to claim they invented something and nobody bothers to fact check or call them out.

Because Nokia living image just recoded a video prior to the photo and stored it. So you play back a few secs of video which ends at the point you took the photo. Live photo records images 1.5 seconds before and after you press the shutter providing a high quality video like set of images which take up little space and can be used for wallpapers on your iPhone and watch.
 
I have enjoyed owning several iPads and may buy another some day down the road. At this time, I just have an iPhone and Macbook Air. Anyway, for me, the appeal of the iPad was that it was lightweight and relatively compact, so it was less burdensome to carry around than a laptop. The trade-off, of course, is that the device is somewhat limited......
Well, there you go. I too was somebody who enjoyed the mobility of an iPad and wished it could replace my MacBook. My solution was to abandon the dual OS/iOS nonsense and just get a windows tablet that was light and mobile plus it could dock to full blown peripherals when I am deskbound.

It's not exactly the "Apple" experience but man... the joy of carrying all your tech in a big pocket and the money I'm saving.
 
Wait a second, I just looked at the specs on the Apple website: This puppy has more screen pixels than the 15" rMBP!!! Dang! I want one! I just wished it had a full operating system...
 
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I wonder if the physical/magnetic connector for the keyboard is there in part to bolster security for HIPPA compliance. Would make it all that more compelling for physicians and the healthcare field in general. I would absolutely love that connection on a "normal"/original-sized iPad, as I keep wanting a screen-sized flat keyboard, but I don't really want a Bluetooth keyboard to take out into the world (broadcasting your hopefully-encrypted-unless-someone-develops-a-hack keystrokes to anyone nearby - seems like an accident waiting to happen).

I would absolutely love to see the tech of the iPad Pro make in into an iPad Air 3 as soon as possible. Would definitely get that. The Pro itself is probably too large for my needs.
 
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I use my current iPad a lot for viewing my woodworking plans, electronics schematics, and various manuals. Do you think these PDF's, and eBooks will scale up without getting distorted? Looking forward to using the Apple Pencil for doing mark-ups, and marking steps complete right on the screen. Yes, this is the iPad I been waiting for, it will fit into my workflow nicely.
 
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aeropad, duet and teamviewer are 3 apps that really increase the productivity on the current ipads.

aeropad app + ipadpro + apple pencil = cheap cintiq/additional monitor
 
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You do know IBM and Cisco are all in with Apple... I think they know a bit more about the enterprise than you do. Apple tablets are already all over the enterprise and this is not changing. In fact, it's the consumer side of tablet sales that'S weakening, not the enterprise side. This explains the Ipad Pro tablet the most.
This isn't really a serious comment. Every employee at Cisco and IBM (and any other enterprise) uses a PC or Mac for daily primary use. That's not about to change anytime soon. They may also have an iPad but it is limited to checking email on the go. With the 6+, even the iPad is becoming less useful. Hence the slowing sales. The Pro won't change that, IMO.
 
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You're not understanding the deployment model that IBM is going to use for these. IBM is going to do all-cloud. Almost all CSR functions and office functions are client-server today, which is why local storage doesn't matter. If you need storage, use DropBox, iCloud or some other provider that can sync your stuff to your locations.

Windows-as-a-dumb-terminal will die. That's a multi-billion dollar market that most MR readers are totally clueless about. The iPad pro looks like a consumer device, but it's not really a consumer device...it's just presented that way because it's the only way Apple knows how to present it. It's IBM's job to sell the crap out of them, as well as selling the system management, transition services, and development services.

It'll be crazy. The only question is "when should I buy Apple stock." The Pro doesn't come out until November, which means it won't have an earnings impact until Q2-Q3 of next year.
It's so disorienting to read a rational post in this thread!
 
Yea, I'm excited to try the iPad and Astropad.


I for one am beyond excited. Ive been using the iPad since it first came out in 2010 and owned most versions and i got to say the one thing i wish it did better was the ability to draw on it. I used god knows how many pens and stylus on it over the years, and all of them all were returned within a week of getting them.

Past few years i went with the mini line as I've all but given up on drawing on the iPad, and everything else i played around with in stores from the Surface Pros to the Samsung Notes just didn't really compare to the old iPads, and while i dreamed about one day striking it rich and buying a 27inch wacom centiq, it was always way out of my price range and i also wanted something i could bring around with me.

This iPad looks to be just that! and i can't wait to get my hands on it!
 
Looking at the tech specs of the iPad Pro and Surface Pro 3, the size is similar, and so is the weight. With the 13.3 MBA coming in at 2.96 lbs vs. the Surface Pro 3 at 1.76 without keyboard cover, and the iPad Pro at 1.57 without keyboard cover, I would imagine both of those approach or exceed 2 lbs with the cover weight added. The MBA drawback is that is isn't a nice little tablet and doesn't have a touchscreen and for real power you have to go to the Retina 13.3 MacBook which brings it up to 3.48 lbs. But the overall sizes and screen real estate are all similar. I guess at the end of the day I still want a full blown OS, trackpad and keyboard. For me the Air wins.

Currently I have a 27" iMac, a 2012 13.3" Air, an iPad Mini 2 (Retina) and iPhone 6 Plus. The Mini 2 is redundant with the arrival of the 6 Plus as the screen real estate on that means I don't really use the tablet much and I would prefer the Air over the Mini in most portable cases to have an actual computer and not a tablet. And I always default to the iMac over the Air because screen real estate wins out.

I just don't see that iPads have a big place for me anymore. Other than for the kids to use.
And the 2 lb MacBook, which supports an entire operating system that isn't iOS
 
With that screen, I wouldn't need dual monitors. You are stuck in an old paradigm.

Yep a single 12.9" screen is better than dual 27" screens. Who the heck would be stuck in that "old paradigm" of using 27" dual monitors instead of a 12.9" screen?
 
iPad Pro Dream: iPad Pro when mobile. Keyboard Dock with Mac Mini built into the base of keyboard / touch pad. Docked = iMac OS X with iPad as screen. Undocked = iOS iPad Pro as MultiTouch Mobile Tablet.
 
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As a musician, I am SO GLAD Apple released an iPad with a larger screen size. The old size quite simply did not have enough real estate to read musical notation (or even chord charts, for that matter). I've never made the switch to an iPad for sheet music, but now I can!! I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes the new norm for any musician who reads notes. I imagine orchestras, accompanists, etc. with iPad Pros on their stands and bluetooth foot switches to turn pages... this is a welcomed new piece of technology for the music community.
 
So, let me get this straight;

For $1,120 you get a 'MacBook' Called iPad Pro with touchscreen and no trackpad/mouse, with same storage and ram, and half or less the power than the first tier MacBook Pro ($1300), or the beautiful MacBook that has 8GB of ram, also much more power than the A9X ($1300)... Oh and instead of a full OS you have iOS.

And I'm not adding the pen to that price.

Also,

Will we, designers, leave our powerful systems in exchange of a big ipad with toy-like apps?. I don't think so.
 
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So, let me get this straight;

For $1,120 you get a 'MacBook' Called iPad Pro with touchscreen and no trackpad/mouse, with same storage and ram, and half or less the power than the first tier MacBook Pro ($1300), or the beautiful MacBook that has 8GB of ram, also much more power than the A9X ($1300)... Oh and instead of a full OS you have iOS.

And I'm not adding the pen to that price.

Also,

Will we, designers, leave our powerful systems in exchange of a big ipad with toy-like apps?. I don't think so.

More and more, Apple is trying to see if making a product that caters almost exclusively to fanboys is a viable strategy. Their next step will likely be asking people for donations, because they are already selling an inferior product for the same price as their on macbooks.
 
I'm really surprised how well loved the Surface Pro 3 is in this thread. It's almost making me a bit suspicious. To start with, I'm not putting anybody down who owns one and enjoys it, more power to you. I just have to add my opinion with my own experience in mind.

I decided to expand on my education and chose the Surface Pro 3 as my choice because I could write on the screen which would help memorize terms/ideas. While the writing does help with memory and I use my Pro 3 extensively, I find it to be too buggy and unreliable to be considered a good experience. Just to give some examples over the past couple of days, if you are in an application and move your finger to the right, you are supposed to get an expose-like view of all of the opened apps. I was doing that repeatedly because i was switching between Excel, Word, and Edge and then the screen froze in the multitask view. Then it'd start to respond for a bit to allow me to maximize an app and then it'd freeze on that app. Basically I had to restart the OS.

Also, when I use the touch interface in a document I'll scroll through it but because I move my finger too far to the right, it will go into the multitask (expose-like) view. So then I'll have to select the app again to get back into it. Frequently, if it's a webpage I'm viewing, it will be on the top of the page and I'll have to scroll back down to the correct location of the webpage again. The stylus that comes with it is very responsive but when I write in Onenote I like to wrest my wrist on the screen and that will frequently cause me to move to a different location in Onenote and I'll need to scroll back to where I was. Frankly, I have many more examples but I don't want to write a freakin book here.

You guys are complaining about IOS being a "Phone OS" and while that has some validity, you need to keep in mind that IOS was designed to be a touch interface, and too that end it's an excellent device. With IOS 9 expected to be more rock solid than IOS 8, you have an OS with tons of productivity potential. Apple is moving in the right direction by adding keyboard shortcuts. I just think they need to go further and develop cursor support into the OS for a mouse and also keyboard arrow keys. See, Microsoft has a good idea with their touch interface, and switching back to a desktop OS when the keyboard is plugged in, but neither the touch interface or the desktop interface is refined enough or reliable enough. And what Apple should be able to realize is that there isn't a need for two interfaces. You add in robust keyboard short cuts, and cursor support, and basic file system support and you have yourself the ultimate hybrid OS.

Let's take a look at Apple's advantages over Microsoft in the quest for hybrids. I bet you the combination of IOS 9 and the A9X processor with allow for over 15 hours of battery life easy. Because I'm a relatively light user with my Surface, I can get around 6 to 7 hours. IOS doesn't crash every often at all, as you've seen with Windows 10 it's very glitchy. We'll have to see how Apple's wrist cancellation is, but I bet it's way better than Microsoft's. Also, the problem with the Microsoft stylus is the two buttons built in. They are admittedly useful, but I press them by accident which causes me to accidentally erase what I just wrote. Kudos to Apple for staying away from adding buttons to their pencil.

I think, from what I've read, folks are giving Microsoft too much credit, and underestimating the potential of IOS 9.
 
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