Not everyone wants to use public unsecure WIFI connection you know. And its good for backup. You don't have to use it but its good thing to have
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iPad Pro Reviews Roundup: Blazingly Fast With a More Balanced Design, But Some Face ID and USB-C Quirks
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Um, an iPhone is a phone as well. A phone is pretty much a necessity. I also know I could get by with an inexpensive Android phone instead of an iPhone.
An iPad is very much a want versus a need. If an iPad could make calls like an Apple Watch, it would be a much more interesting proposition.
I am impressed with the iPad Pro. It's a great piece of tech. I am not finding nor justifying any reason to purchase it for myself.
I agree. I want a desktop experience. I want connectivity and I/O and full peripherals. What I like about the Surface is how light it is and that with the keyboard angle and Surface Mouse it is ultra portable. I will say that I would not want to use it as a daily machine without displays. Working on that screen full time for productivity would be tough. I don’t have one but my wife does and she takes it a lot of places. Coming from a 7-8lb Dell it was a huge change. But she doesn’t use any of the touch/tablet stuff. Honestly if Apple were to integrate the two, I would want to see it run macOS with the ability to run iOS apps for things like Games and other apps that are designed for iOS. But I don’t believe that Microsoft Office or many other productivity software application translate as well to iOS.
I am probably not. I want a little more power and flexibility in a portable device so I went with a Surface Pro. It's not as polished as an iPad as a tablet. But I do like the typing cover, which is pretty much a necessity.
I am impressed by the iPad Pro. I just don't have a need for it. The new Mac mini however...
They priced me out this time. I won't pay the same - or more - for an iPad as I would a MacBook. Too bad, though, they look nice. I used to be able to justify the Apple tax, but it's just getting absurd anymore.
Shame they did all that work on the "What's a computer" advertisement only to come back and exclaim that the iPad is "the most popular computer in the world"
I have to admit Im torn on the iPad issues. I had the first one that I found pretty useless for me and sold it like after 5 months. After that few years back i purchased iPad air. But still it was just not enough for me to justify the purchase. The limitations of iOS were too great and I had to carry laptop all the time anyway. Now I am willing to buy iPad Pro and give it one more try. I would love to be able to leave MBP behind in 60-80% of cases. But Im afraid that iOS is gonna kill my enthusiasm pretty fast. I will keep it till iOS13 comes out to give my final opinion on the topic. I would love if that keyboard had also touchpad as MS Surface does. It would greatly enhance my experience. Its totally annoying to have to touch the screen every time you wanna correct some lines in the text. Also SOME decent file system would be great!
I will report in 3 months about my experience..
I will report in 3 months about my experience..
I surprised at you!
You should at LEAST have a Mac mini for those occasions when only a "real computer" will do... ;-)
What's your point?
Many are pointing out shortcomings in the iPad for their uses. That's not opinion.
There are very few cases where an iPad Pro is a necessity. A few on here have integrated them into their work which moves them to a useful tool and more of a need. Others are saying that cannot happen until some of the limitations inherent in the iPad are resolved. To them, the expense of an iPad isn't justified because it doesn't suit their needs.
I agree on keeping it for a few years, It’ll be replacing my Air 1 too.
My concern in doing so is the ram. With Apple continuing to push this device as a laptop replacement and with future demands on the hardware via iOS versions, software and/or external capabilities, the current specs may not seem so impressive.
Early on in that 5 year time span I don’t want to regret that I opted for ‘only’ 4Gb when I could have maxed it out at 6Gb.
If the price of the cellular tablet plans wasn't a rip-off (data on your smartphone is much cheaper than what the cellular companies price tablet plans at), I might almost agree with you. Give me $10/mo unlimited on my tablet. When I can add a line of service for a phone and get unlimited data for $20, but have to pay $10/mo for 1GB or some ridiculous measly amount because it's a tablet? Then add in unexpected overages? No thanks.
If you're worried about "unsecure WIFI" then get VPN software for the iPad. Problem solved. Keep in mind, too, most sites are SECURE nowadays, and that info is already encrypted.
Ipad Pro: Great hardware, limited by software.
Macbook Pro: Great software, limited by hardware.
Those two teams need to talk to each other more.
Macbook Pro: Great software, limited by hardware.
Those two teams need to talk to each other more.
I have to admit Im torn on the iPad issues. I had the first one that I found pretty useless for me and sold it like after 5 months. After that few years back i purchased iPad air. But still it was just not enough for me to justify the purchase. The limitations of iOS were too great and I had to carry laptop all the time anyway. Now I am willing to buy iPad Pro and give it one more try. I would love to be able to leave MBP behind in 60-80% of cases. But Im afraid that iOS is gonna kill my enthusiasm pretty fast. I will keep it till iOS13 comes out to give my final opinion on the topic. I would love if that keyboard had also touchpad as MS Surface does. It would greatly enhance my experience. Its totally annoying to have to touch the screen every time you wanna correct some lines in the text. Also SOME decent file system would be great!
I will report in 3 months about my experience..
LOL..why bother? You already know how your experience will be. Nothing much has changed here. And why buy hardware NOW for what might happen next year (or the year after) on the software front?
I'm buying one. Because I like the form factor, the new screen, the new pencil, and the things I use an ipad for will be enhanced. NOW. Price? I'll get it the cheapest I can at the minimal storage i can live with which is probably 256gb. It certainly won't be full msrp. I already know I'm NOT buying this to replace my laptop or desktop. That's just stupid and setting me up to be disappointed or frustrated. You should already know if you want this, what you'll use it for, and can live with how much you pay for it.
I would guess you're likely to find 64GB more limiting than 6GB.
I suspect the 1TB Pros will be a small enough fraction of the sales that Apple won't simply limit an upgrade to it; more likely they will EOL all the 2018 at the same time.
What is ancient and expensive? The $329 iPad? Anyway my response was to someone who said they remember when iPads started at $499. Well one starts at $329 and is better than the ones that started at $499 in every way. My response was not a blanket approval of Apple raising prices across the board.
What Apple should do, is stick the new iPad Pro internals inside a MacBook Air. - That would be something worth buying!
Remember when the latest and greatest iPad was so much worse than the new latest and greatest iPad?
It would not sell like hot cakes. macOS on a tablet appeals to a very niche market.
At this point I'm not really sure what market the iPad serves anymore. You got MacBook Pro-level processing power apparently, which you're paying handsomely for. But for what? I feel there's a complete unbalance between the hardware and software aspect. As such, for me, it's just not worth the price. I'm not purely looking at hardware, I'm looking at what I can actually do with it. Which in my case really isn't that much. For anything serious that isn't drawing macOS and macOS apps are still a lot more powerful and more practical when it boils down to usability. Touch input isn't as precise as a mouse or trackpad. And by the time you're finished adding accessories to the iPad Pro to give it a hint of said usability you almost arrived at the price of a new MacBook Air.
So yeah...?
So yeah...?
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Yeaaaa, believe me, it's been less than ideal. My company provides a Windows laptop though so I figured I would try that for a couple weeks and see how well it worked out for me. No bueno.
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Building a more capable iPad Pro will encourage developers to increase power/functionality into their iOS apps (ala Adobe) although Microsoft and Google that are more wedded to their own operating systems will probably handicap any true software equivalents (ala MS Office).
To me, Apple is clearly signaling they will be migrating their Intel based laptops to a Axx based ones in the future. The iOS software has yet to catch up to this move (you have to have hardware first before you can develop anything). So it will be interesting to see where iOS 13 and app developers go from here. If the iPad Pro, despite its high price tag, encourages more customers to buy into the "iPad experience" you'll see more movement on the operating software and more akin to a desktop/laptop experience.
Apple has also been having a great deal of success increasing the power of their mobile products far faster than Intel, who is still struggling with 10nm manufacturing technology vs TSMC.
All in all, very interesting developments.
To me, Apple is clearly signaling they will be migrating their Intel based laptops to a Axx based ones in the future. The iOS software has yet to catch up to this move (you have to have hardware first before you can develop anything). So it will be interesting to see where iOS 13 and app developers go from here. If the iPad Pro, despite its high price tag, encourages more customers to buy into the "iPad experience" you'll see more movement on the operating software and more akin to a desktop/laptop experience.
Apple has also been having a great deal of success increasing the power of their mobile products far faster than Intel, who is still struggling with 10nm manufacturing technology vs TSMC.
All in all, very interesting developments.
While that is true you could say the same for every iPad since iOS "I don't remember when". Perhaps 5 or 6.
As a great iPad fan I have stopped trying (and I tried a lot) to replace a notebook with it. I love using the iPad but it isn't a notebook replacement. Perhaps it will be some day but until then I won't disturb my productivity and easy of use trying to make something it isn't.
No, I'm motivated by the fact that I think the Pencil is the best feeling stylus for illustration and sketching (tried everything from Wacom Pro Pens to Ntrigs) combined with the most optimized software for working naturally and on the go - Procreate, ArtStudio Pro, CSP, Affinity Designer - combined with great reference tools like Notability and Evernote that work best with touch and drag & drop, on an iPad. There really is no better tool out there for that. The mobility and natural workflows are the killer feature: you mention mouse/trackpad support - but that is exactly why I use the iPad instead of something like the Surface. In my work, I want to be able to record ideas and communicate my intentions wherever I am - going from different teams in the studio, working from an airplane or, heck, just leaning back in my couch when I'm physically tired but still need to work. iPad is the only platform that allows me to work in full professional software like Clip Studio or Affinity Designer without the need of a flat surface.
So, is it a laptop replacement? Of course not. But I can tell you this: for a lot of workflows - a laptop is also not an iPad replacement.
The new fully featured Photoshop is another example of this. Smart interface solutions will allow me to do everything I do on the desktop Photoshop - but without the desktop! You're looking at it wrong: would I be faster and more productive with a big desk, a large keyboard, a mouse and a trackpad alongside a Wacom Intuos Pro (and I use all of that on my desk - yup, I actually use a trackpad, a mouse and an Intuos tablet at once)? Most likely. But the point is I can be almost as fast and as productive everywhere else, without my desk.
For a bunch of experts on professionalism, I am constantly amazed how Macrumors Forum members ignore mobility as a serious profesional feature that helps a lot of work done more efficiently.
It's almost like saying that Switch is not a true gamer device, because I can be more precise with a mouse and keyboard on my gaming PC.