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reality check: worldwide PC market is collapsing ... Windows powered 2-in-1 are just a desperate attempt like "Throw everything at the wall to see what sticks" by Microsoft.


take a look at his user name (on an Apple enthusiast forum): don't feed the troll is the first phrase I would think about...
The 2-in-1 market will eventually outpace and replace the traditional PC for sales in most cases. No other product of this size category yet has seen 80% to 100% increases in sales YoY--not even the iPad.
 
Tim, don't worry about microsoft, being a supply guru, maybe get some pencils into stores ? Or even something as simple as a communication plan when you launch a device. Having Angela running your stores is deluded....

Took the UK site nearly 2 hours to update the main page to reflect you could order one. Most people on MR ordered from the direct link.
 
To talk more seriously: You've shown no unit sales statistics whereas my posts' links do. IDC does not lie, and their sales statistics information is beyond compare. Besides, the iPad is not the iPhone in sales--never was and likely never will. I have owned and loved iPhones. Those are true innovation. The iPad really lacks the caliber of utility and innovation it claims it has.

Except I can point out why your statistics are meaningless. Take two products. One sells 1 million first year and 3 million the next. That's "huge growth". The second sells 10 million one year and 8 the next. That's falling. That's still the second product doing better than the first.
 
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Unbelievable that the ATV4 didn't got the A9X

It doesn't need it. All the apps I have tried run very smoothly, including games like CrossyRoad, and how much power do you need to play movies at 1080p? The market isn't ready for streaming 4K yet. I'd rather Apple kept the specs realistic and keep the costs down.
 
Except I can point out why your statistics are meaningless. Take two products. One sells 1 million first year and 3 million the next. That's "huge growth". The second sells 10 million one year and 8 the next. That's falling. That's still the second product doing better than the first.
You obviously did not look at the product volumes that are also clearly marked and labeled on IDC. They show unit sales by category (Windows, iOS, etc.) in addition to percentage growth YoY.
 
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Surface Book is deluded? Tim, you'd sell a lot more of these iPad Pros if users were able to run OS X on it and pair a mouse with it. Better yet, let the iPad Pro run OS X and also run iOS apps. Best of both worlds, but then Apple would probably charge $1,299 minimum for it.

But who would buy that? 1,000 or so MacRumors readers that call themselves "Power users". And that's it.
 
OK

I'll buy one when:

1. It comes with a physical keyboard.
2. It's as light as my MB 12"
3. It runs OSX.
4. It has a SSD with at least 500g
5. It will run xCode.
6. It has the full OSX file system.

Until then it's a big iPad, which has a place but falls short of an OSX based system.


iOS is made for touch. OS X is made for a pointer. You already have what you want: The MB 12".

Steve Jobs semi-famously said something like "[Traditional PCs will be the trucks of the computer world.]" The iPad Pro isn't a truck, but people that want it don't need a truck. If you need the utility to build and develop, buy the truck. The iPad Pro just happens to be a pretty fast and capable car.
 
No, I read it. I looked at what they expect to happen by 2019. I'm simply trying to put forth simple logic that your numbers are meaningless. No true information can be derived from that report.
See the line that says millions of units and then the column that shows said numbers for this year? That is not meaningless. It is real sales that real companies depend on to clear margins and make profits... or not. Those are quite descriptive of product performance now, and they apply to companies who decide salaries of real people, layoffs, hiring, and so on as well.
 
And then no developer is going to write software for OS X anymore. ARM and x86 are completely different in every way, shape and form and also keep in mind x86-based Macs are still around.
As a professional software developer, what you are saying is nonsense. To 99.9% of software developers, that's all those who don't write assembler code or SSE code, both processors are absolutely identical on every level that is of interest to them. Most iOS developers write x86 code all the time, because that's what the iOS emulator on your Mac is running. Ask a software developer to _prove_ to you that there is an ARM chip in the iPhone and not an x86 chip, and they'd have a hard time to prove it.
Apple better cut the arrogant comments, because it will only hurt their public image after a short time.
One man's "arrogant" is another man's "confident".
 
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The A9X in the iPad Pro has only 2 cores while the A8x in the iPad Air 2 has three cores.

That's even more disappointing then. The developer of Tweetbot has also commented on Twitter as half some other devs, one stated that Apple said the Pro is 1.8x faster than the Air 2, which it is on single core, but if this was true for multi core we'd be seeing a score of 8305 (using my Air 2's last score of 4614).

Yeah, the Pro is only doing it with two cores versus the Air 2's three cores. But mid 5,000's is a pretty poor multi core score when sat side by side with the Air 2's mid 4,000 score. I think a lot of people expected this thing to bench mark in the 8,000's for multi core, that's all. In fact why did Apple even drop a core to begin with?

Anyway, in real world terms benchmarks mean nothing. The fact remains that nothing will test this thing or stress it out at any point in its shelf life.
 
I thought the iPad Pro is deluded! Is it a extra large iPhone? Is it an bigger iPad? Is a touch MacBook? Is it a toy? Is it computer? I'm confused!
it is an iPad ... strange enough it actually is called IPAD ...
This seems like backwards thinking when you have the capability to do both as MS is currently demonstrating.
Microsoft isnt demonstrating much, since Surface aren't exactly an huge commercial success ....
Apple has officially given up. They don't innovate. They don't even make real computers anymore. I started using macs in the 90's with a powermac 7600. I would rather go back to that than use any of the paperweights they spit out now.
We haven't had a real computer from them since 2012 with the Mac Pro, and that wasn't even a cutting edge machine! Where are the innovations? Where are the computing powerhouses that we should be churning away work in our offices and homes?
Apple gave up. All they have now are underpowered laptops, iMac jokes and iToys for spoiled mallrats to text about their latest lunch at the foodcourt. Breaks my heart.
yep, Apple si doomed ... wait ... in the 90's Apple was verging bankruptcy while today they are sitting on a mountain of money ... you should improve your analyst skills.
 
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That's app store apps only.

Things like the Adobe suite or Steam or Cinema4D would require a full rewrite.
Uh, no. They would need to be recompiled. If Adobe writes any of their code in Assembly, that code would need to be rewritten. However, I expect that most of their code is in C/C++ and would need nothing more than a recompile (with perhaps some effort required to find different libraries.)
 
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"It’s a product that tries too hard to do too much,” he said. “It’s trying to be a tablet and a notebook and it really succeeds at being neither. It’s sort of deluded.”

You're right Timothy, you're much better off spending around $4000 or more buying a MacBook Pro and an iPad Pro to get the same work done.

Didn't you say something about a refrigerator a couple of years back. Oh dear.
 
See the line that says millions of units and then the column that shows said numbers for this year? That is not meaningless. It is real sales that real companies depend on to clear margins and make profits... or not. Those are quite descriptive of product performance now, and they apply to companies who decide salaries of real people, layoffs, hiring, and so on as well.

What? That they forecast that even with the rapid growth of all Windows tablets/2-in-1, we're still going to see more iOS tablets than Windows? And that's just their guesses. Remember when the IDC predicted that Windows Phone was going to have 20% market share by this year?

They just guess and they're not good at it.
 
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"It’s a product that tries too hard to do too much,” he said. “It’s trying to be a tablet and a notebook and it really succeeds at being neither. It’s sort of deluded.”

You're right Timothy, you're much better off spending around $4000 or more buying a MacBook Pro and an iPad Pro to get the same work done.

Didn't you say something about a refrigerator a couple of years back. Oh dear.
And the best part about it is the Surface Pro 4 at $999 outperforms both the entry level MacBook Pro and the iPad Pro while doing everything both can do... and more. I only need one device that is cheaper than either individually! :D
 
And the best part about it is the Surface Pro 4 at $999 outperforms both the entry level MacBook Pro and the iPad Pro while doing everything both can do... and more. I only need one device that is cheaper than just one! :D

Then go get one. It would clearly be the better device for you. A person shouldn't ever get a device that doesn't give them their own personal best experience. If that's with Apple, Google, Samsung, or Microsoft, then that's what you need to get.
 
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Since there was apparently no info in any articles about it, I called my local Apple Store this morning to find out if I could get hands-on time with an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil. The woman who answered told me yes ("they're available today"), though she sounded like she wasn't paying attention to me. I showed up at the store and a dude with wooden earrings told me there weren't any on the floor till tomorrow. "There was definitely a miscommunication on one side or the other; sorry man" he said, after I said "I explicitly asked if I could get hands-on time with one". Yeah, miscommunication on their end, not mine. Sigh.
Apple stores are filled with dumb people.
 
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For the 1000th time, iOS doesn't use a stylus, in 2007 all touch OS did. Apple and iOS changed that, the pencil is for drawing only. There are plenty of pencils/stylus/stick things already available for every iPad/iPhone. What is wrong with another one? You don't need it to use the device, so don't buy it.
Search the context for the photo. It, of course, had no stylus. It is what Jobs said that Apple now went back on that is gloriously hilarious.
Then go get one. It would clearly be the better device for you. A person shouldn't ever get a device that doesn't give them their own personal best experience. If that's with Apple, Google, Samsung, or Microsoft, then that's what you need to get.
With this, I agree. If you like iOS for its UX, simplicity, and so on, get it. Same for any device. But for most people, if you are considering performance, screen quality, stability, support, compatibility (Android can run on Windows) and so on, the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book are better in their respective categories than competing products.
 
Tim Cook Calls Microsoft's Surface Book "Deluded"

The Irish Independent has published an interview with Apple CEO Tim Cook about the company's plans to expand in Ireland, iPad Pro and more, with his comment about Microsoft's new Surface Book drawing some attention:Follow our iPad Pro timeline for the latest news about the 12.9-inch tablet.

Article Link: iPad Pro Tidbits: A9X Outperforms MacBook, Apple Pencil is Weighted, T-Mobile Financing and More

Tim, c'mon. It wasn't classy when Ballmer talked like this about the iPhone, it's not classy when you do it either.


Also, I have to admit, the Surface Book is the nicest thing I've seen out of Microsoft in years. If it ran OS X and had an iOS overlay, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I can understand why Windows users would jump on it! (I prefer to minimize my home Windows use, however.)
 
Search the context for the photo. It, of course, had no stylus. It is what Jobs said that Apple now went back on that is gloriously hilarious.

With this, I agree. If you like iOS for its UX, simplicity, and so on, get it. Same for any device. But for most people, if you are considering performance, screen quality, stability, support, compatibility (Android can run on Windows) and so on, the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book are better in their respective categories than competing products.

Look, I can only tell you my SP3 issues that made me move to the iPad and hope Microsoft fixed them. Edge drains battery and the fan goes off when you look at it wrong. And when the fan goes off, battery life goes down,
 
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