iPad Pro Videos: 4K Video Exporting, Cases and Apple Pencil Tracking

[Thunderhawks]

All for what, users with an average purchase price per app of around 90 cents? Please.

Pros doing pro work on it will pay whatever price depending on how useful an app will be and how they can save time with it.

Especially corporate users would have no problem shelling out $ 100 or more for apps.

Get busy these apps will show up shortly, naysayers will be wrong.

 

[Nausicaa]

Is the surface still as smooth when the anti virus decides to kick in the background , and windows updates starts faffing around and all you want to do is draw but Windows won't stop nagging you ? Or is it as nice to use when you spend an evening a month removing malware from Windows ? And it just starts to get Windows rot ?

I'm not synical after using Windows most my life at all... Really I'm not

This was always my problem with Surface. It makes sense if you truly need ONE device to do it all in an ultraportable format. But as a tablet, everything is more cumbersome and slower. Even something as simple as rotating the screen orientation or booting from sleep is frustratingly laggy relative to an iPad. The iPad has limitations, but it simply the best user experience in its form factor. And the Pro takes it to the next level with its speedy processor and RAM. Using it, *everything* was instant.

 

[topdrawer]

As a digital artist, I really want the iPad pro, but the Apple Pencil needs to be charged. Why doesn't it electromagnetically pull power from the tablet like other styluses? My Wacom pens never need to be charged, and neither do my s-pens. Stopping to charge it would break my workflow regardless of how many hours the charge holds out. That's something I needn't worry about with similar devices. It seems overpriced for a device that needs to be charged, while styluses/pens are included with similar tools. I get that not everyone wants a stylus, but if it's going to cost $100, why should it ever need to be charged in such a primitive way? Apple is a given for artists and designers. I still use my eight year-old MacBook Pro and it runs wonderfully. I appreciate how Apple develops the newest OS with older systems in mind. Macs are built to last, but it seems something is off these days with the hardware designers... well, for the Apple Pencil at least. I don't get it...

because wacom owns a patent on that technology and they aren't giving it up. no other company has found a different workaround.

 

[agsystems]

lol @ "more apps will be built to use this", you mean like all the apps that were built to use the iPad Air 2, which has a lower cost of entry?

If you're not a developer, please don't comment on what developers will do. Aside from high end suites that will absolutely net a ROI, most developers will carry on building 75% of their apps for iPhones and the rest on whatever they deem fit.

For most, that means one build for iPad which just adds a menu view and rebuilds constraints for better resolution of objects and one main build for iPhone, where more than 75% of your users will be.

I wanted to build an Apple TV version of a video streaming application. A video... streaming application with thousands of users. It was denied because of ROI. Bottom line, not enough users will have an Apple TV. It's hard enough to get the hours approved just to push an iPad build. An iPad Pro (which should've been called a Plus) would require a specialized build of a specialized build. All for what, users with an average purchase price per app of around 90 cents? Please.

I get what you are saying but if Apple could get the usual suspects Microsoft, Adobe on board (which they are)- that would handle a large portion of the enterprise/pro-consumer market for which this machine was build for.

I doubt someone wanting to play angry birds would be interested in this.

 

[Keirasplace]

Jonathan Morrison NAILED IT!!! This review answers ALL OF MY QUESTIONS!! It's just a bigger iPad. EXACTLY!!!
I could go on... but his short video review pretty much says it all!! And I didn't even have to buy one to agree with everything he talked about in the video.

If Apple ACTUALLY was smarter than they currently are... they would listen to me and make a device that, when the iPad Pro is docked, it becomes a screen that uses OSX and functions with a keyboard and mouse for a powerful desktop device... but when removed from the dock, switches to iOS mode and become a mobile device.
Why can't Apple do this? Quit wasting resources making pretty watches and make something revolutionary again!!!!

So, you agree with a review that agreed with your on views... Hum... How surprising.... Check up on confirmation bias will you.

 

[Nausicaa]

Apologies if I've missed it, but are there videos and/or reviews of people actually writing with the pencil - as in, actually attempting to write as they do normally? Is that possible? Is there an app for simply taking handwritten notes?

There are some videos I think if you search around youtube. I tried it in the store myself. I write very small print on paper and I've found no stylus but a cintiq can really pick up on my super fast, tiny chicken scratch. That changed today with Pencil, which could easily register the quick, small strokes I was making. I can't write quite as small as on paper, but very close - I'd say college ruled line size text was easily manageable at normal writing speed and effort.

 

[Essenar]

Pros doing pro work on it will pay whatever price depending on how useful an app will be and how they can save time with it.

Especially corporate users would have no problem shelling out $ 100 or more for apps.

Get busy these apps will show up shortly, naysayers will be wrong.

Another "non pro" talking about pro users.
Corporate users won't be on an iPad Pro. They'll be on a Surface because it has full Windows. Or a MacBook because it has full OSX. But nice try though.

Plenty of "pro's" should've been driving up the costs of Air 2 apps, Watch apps. That totally happened.

 

[Populism]

There are some videos I think if you search around youtube. I tried it in the store myself. I write very small print on paper and I've found no stylus but a cintiq can really pick up on my super fast, tiny chicken scratch. That changed today with Pencil, which could easily register the quick, small strokes I was making. I can't write quite as small as on paper, but very close - I'd say college ruled line size text was easily manageable at normal writing speed and effort.

Thanks for the response. Wow - if that is true - that writing at that level works, I'm in. I've never had an iPad. Just couldn't justify it. But the way I work (at work, and home) is a combination of pen to paper (usually a simple pad of paper) and Calendar/word processing. I can't do away with either. I have to have both. If the Pencil can keep up with my notes, and especially if it can organize my notes in some rudimentary way, I'm definitely in.

I know it's an unoriginal gripe, but an iOS file management system sure would be absolute icing on the cake.

 

[topdrawer]

Another "non pro" talking about pro users.
Corporate users won't be on an iPad Pro. They'll be on a Surface because it has full Windows. Or a MacBook because it has full OSX. But nice try though.

Plenty of "pro's" should've been driving up the costs of Air 2 apps, Watch apps. That totally happened.

"pro's" doe not equal "corporate"

 

[Thunderhawks]

Another "non pro" talking about pro users.
Corporate users won't be on an iPad Pro. They'll be on a Surface because it has full Windows. Or a MacBook because it has full OSX. But nice try though.

Plenty of "pro's" should've been driving up the costs of Air 2 apps, Watch apps. That totally happened.

I started out mentioning pros. These are in all fields and not necessarily corporate.

You missed my point which was that especially corporate pros have no issues with paying high prices for apps.
This fact isn't even related to the iPad Pro.

 

[Renzatic]

You're still comparing apples to apples (No pun intended). The Surface is using One Note, a native Microsoft application. And the iPad is using Notes, a native Apple application. If MS can't get the pen and One Note to work together as flawlessly as the Pencil and Notes, with a 3 year head start what difference does it make whether it's "software" or "hardware" that's causing the issue?

There could be a number of reasons. OneNote does a myriad amount of stuff, from bullet lists, to maps, to collages, to web clippings, to basic notes. MS could be using lower resolution vectors per stroke to keep it thin and light on its toes. The iOS notes app is pretty basic in comparison, and Apple probably would've used it as a showcase for the Pencil.

In the end, it isn't a perfect demonstration of pure hardware capabilities.

 

[fieldsphotos]

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Guess which is OneNote and which is Sketchbook

Makes you wonder what kind of brush smoothing algorithms are in the various iPad pro apps. As a user of the latest N-trig stylus on a Vaio (same as Surface pro 4), I have noted the usability of the pen for drawing is highly dependent on the app.

I would like to see the swirl test done as a slow swirl drawing test vs a fast one. I have waaaay more issues with diagonal jitter when drawing slowly than lag when drawing fast.

 

[Popeye206]

given how much they were promoting the pencil, thought it would do much better vs. surface than it seems to do.

What I noticed is the smoothness of the lines on the iPad vs the Surface which the lines were rather rough.

It would be interesting to test in real life next to each other.

 

[KPOM]

Another "non pro" talking about pro users.
Corporate users won't be on an iPad Pro. They'll be on a Surface because it has full Windows. Or a MacBook because it has full OSX. But nice try though.

Plenty of "pro's" should've been driving up the costs of Air 2 apps, Watch apps. That totally happened.

Actually, enterprises are more likely to support iOS than OS X. Granted, not many companies are likely to buy iPad Pros for their employees (certainly not instead of notebooks) except in limited use cases. Instead, they'll support them as BYOD.

It's conceivable that companies would buy Surface Pros, but it's more likely they'll buy clunkier two-in-ones because the latter are better "notebooks" (i.e. their keyboards are better and they have more ports).

 

[maflynn]

IF it ran some variant of OSX then yes otherwise I don't see the point. No flame please that's just my opinion.

Technically iOS is derived from OS X, so basically it is a variant of OS X, so there you have

Seriously though I agree, I think the lack of a file accessible file system, regular desktop apps, doom it for me.

Is the surface still as smooth when the anti virus decides to kick in the background , and windows updates starts faffing around and all you want to do is draw but Windows won't stop nagging you ? Or is it as nice to use when you spend an evening a month removing malware from Windows ? And it just starts to get Windows rot ?

I'm not synical after using Windows most my life at all... Really I'm not

Sorry, but being a SP3 owner, none of that is the case.

 

[Jakexb]

given how much they were promoting the pencil, thought it would do much better vs. surface than it seems to do.

I don't know, it's pretty good. It is tracking faster than the Surface and is tracking more points. The iPad loops look totally organic, where the surface ones have a lot of jumps and straight angled sections where it couldn't keep up and had to interpolate.

 

[Popeye206]

You know... reading all the "it needs to run OSX to be a Pro device" comments (and those like it), what I think most forget is the hardware is there... what you're asking for (i.e. OSX support or iOS changes to allow a file system) are just a software update away (metaphorically speaking).

My point is, the biggest negative I hear is software based. I don't see any gripes on hardware, or performance, so who knows... maybe Apple might give us a surprise someday?

Plus, given the longevity of iPads (and tablets in general) an iPad Pro purchased today should be good for 4-5 years easily. Anyways... just sharing random thoughts.

 

[jedifaka]

Different apps have different needs, no? OneNote isn't a drawing app. It supports ink to text and ink to math (both pluses) but it's not going to give you a selection of brushes or textures (a minus). That's not what it's for. The iPad Pro pencil might be a better art tool than the Surface pen. But you can't determine that using OneNote.

Isn't OneNote a Microsoft app? Microsoft can't make smooth curves with their own software and hardware?

 

[fieldsphotos]

Is the surface still as smooth when the anti virus decides to kick in the background , and windows updates starts faffing around and all you want to do is draw but Windows won't stop nagging you ? Or is it as nice to use when you spend an evening a month removing malware from Windows ? And it just starts to get Windows rot ?

I'm not synical after using Windows most my life at all... Really I'm not

I am actually getting pretty cynical about using iOS devices. They seem to exhibit more "iOS rot" over time than my recent windows devices have. I find that after 2 years of owing an iphone they become laggy and prone to needing frequent reboots and resets. Causing me to buy new $800 iphones every 2 years to keep my device performing well. That is ridiculous.

 

[agsystems]

Another "non pro" talking about pro users.
Corporate users won't be on an iPad Pro. They'll be on a Surface because it has full Windows. Or a MacBook because it has full OSX. But nice try though.

Plenty of "pro's" should've been driving up the costs of Air 2 apps, Watch apps. That totally happened.

I don't doubt what you are saying but where are the Surface sales

Obviously it varies by industry but my company with over 900 employees issues Ipads to every employee and basically conduct all our business on them.

 

[gbc204]

given how much they were promoting the pencil, thought it would do much better vs. surface than it seems to do.

I also thought it would be more widely in stock. Right now, it's out of stock available until December. Kind of weird that they have so many fewer of these in stock than they do iPad Pros, considering how essential they try to make it seem. Only option if you want one is to go to a store every day and check.

 

[Renzatic]

Different apps have different needs, no? OneNote isn't a drawing app. It supports ink to text and ink to math (both pluses) but it's not going to give you a selection of brushes or textures (a minus). That's not what it's for. The iPad Pro pencil might be a better art tool than the Surface pen. But you can't determine that using OneNote.

For poops and giggles, I did this test in PS to see how my SP4 handled it.

Here's a link to a 12MB 2048x2048 png of a bunch of loops and squiggles.

There's no stairstepping or jagginess anywhere to be found. From the videos, it's obvious that the pro has a bit faster polling rate, and the angle and tilt options are pretty nice, but the SP4's stylus is far from being a pale facsimile, barely usable in comparison.

 

[bennyprofane]

Why do we need to kill the laptop? Why not own both? A laptop will always do some things better than a tablet, and vice versa.

Amen.

 

[ksuyen]

I already have iPad Air 2 and MBP 15", should I get Pro? I really like that big screen and the pencil! And I love everything I have seen on the reports/reviews/articles/Apple Website, etc.

 

[LordVic]

no, Bad, BAD BAD

You cannot use OneNote to do a measure of responsive time of the Pen.
OneNote uses vector based algorithm that takes what you've drawn and redraws it as best approximation, and is NOT a 1:1 representation of the pen input

Redo the video with a proper Application

Don't get me wrong. That pencil response time looks fantastic