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iPad Pro Videos: 4K Video Exporting, Cases and Apple Pencil Tracking
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Is the surface still as smooth when the anti virus decides to kick in the background , and windows updates starts faffing around and all you want to do is draw but Windows won't stop nagging you ? Or is it as nice to use when you spend an evening a month removing malware from Windows ? And it just starts to get Windows rot ?
I'm not synical after using Windows most my life at all... Really I'm not
Don't worry, plenty of malware in the AppStore recently
Times have changed eh
Also, it was a very very long time ago that a PC would slow down while running anti virus. These day you do not even realise.
It's a marvel of engineering when a tablet this big only weighs as much as 0.7kg or less than 1.6 pounds.
I wouldn't say "plenty of malware" in the AppStore "recently". It's more like "a very small numbers of malware" in the AppStore at "a small period of time" which happens mostly in China. So Nah, times haven't changed whatsoever. It's minuscule in terms of the scale of malware attacks on both Microsoft and Android. As Cook said, "your opinion is deluded."Don't worry, plenty of malware in the AppStore recently
Times have changed eh
Also, it was a very very long time ago that a PC would slow down while running anti virus. These day you do not even realise.
Zoomed in view of smooth lines drawn in the full version of Photoshop on my Surface Pro 4. Any wonky lines is my own inability to draw perfect spirals.
OneNote is overly optimized for handwriting clarity right now. Getting a big update today.
Knowing Apple, the Pencil may be smoothed on the system level for consistency. On the Surface, the pen input is application specific.
Both have their pluses and minuses. For artists, the Apple Pencil is the CLEAR winner, unless it has global smoothing that cannot be adjusted. Making beautiful circles is fantastic, until you WANT to draw a jagged line. But in general, the tilt sensor is the huge advantage, as is the lower latency... Though the SP4 has terrific latency as well, but it IS slightly behind. Apple Pencil also looks to have better pressure sensitivity, though the SP4 technically does have 1024 pressure levels.
The Surface Pen has the advantages of having both a side button and a top button, as well as an eraser. It also has a magnet to (strongly) attach to the SP4. It also has a clip that allows you to clip it to the cover, just as you would clip a pen to a paper notebook. When using the device, you dock the pen on the magnet, when traveling you clip it to the cover to be even more secure. The battery in the SP4 pen lasts an entire year rather than 12 hours.
Neither stylus is perfect. Apple has the clear victory for artists, but cannot run Illustrator or Photoshop. Microsoft has the clear victory for everyday notes and photo touch up as you have extra buttons, full photoshop, and don't need to charge the pen.
I'm kind of shocked that Apple didn't have some kind of magnetic docking/charger solution for the pencil on the side of the device. Removing a tiny cap as you plug into the iPad is so strange for Apple. If we had to remove a cap to charge our iPhones we would have ALL lost that cap by now.
I'm an unabashed Surface fanboy, but I am ALSO an unabashed Apple fanboy. I've got two SP4s in my house, as well as 2 iPhones, 2 Apple Watches, and an Apple TV.
OneNote is overly optimized for handwriting clarity right now. Getting a big update today.
Knowing Apple, the Pencil may be smoothed on the system level for consistency. On the Surface, the pen input is application specific.
Both have their pluses and minuses. For artists, the Apple Pencil is the CLEAR winner, unless it has global smoothing that cannot be adjusted. Making beautiful circles is fantastic, until you WANT to draw a jagged line. But in general, the tilt sensor is the huge advantage, as is the lower latency... Though the SP4 has terrific latency as well, but it IS slightly behind. Apple Pencil also looks to have better pressure sensitivity, though the SP4 technically does have 1024 pressure levels.
The Surface Pen has the advantages of having both a side button and a top button, as well as an eraser. It also has a magnet to (strongly) attach to the SP4. It also has a clip that allows you to clip it to the cover, just as you would clip a pen to a paper notebook. When using the device, you dock the pen on the magnet, when traveling you clip it to the cover to be even more secure. The battery in the SP4 pen lasts an entire year rather than 12 hours.
Neither stylus is perfect. Apple has the clear victory for artists, but cannot run Illustrator or Photoshop. Microsoft has the clear victory for everyday notes and photo touch up as you have extra buttons, full photoshop, and don't need to charge the pen.
I'm kind of shocked that Apple didn't have some kind of magnetic docking/charger solution for the pencil on the side of the device. Removing a tiny cap as you plug into the iPad is so strange for Apple. If we had to remove a cap to charge our iPhones we would have ALL lost that cap by now.
I'm an unabashed Surface fanboy, but I am ALSO an unabashed Apple fanboy. I've got two SP4s in my house, as well as 2 iPhones, 2 Apple Watches, and an Apple TV.
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I agree
I want one
I think it would be an amazing device for photoshop and Lightroom
if I could run full photoshop and LIghtroom. (not the current App's on iOS). Give me a mouse cursor thrown in there and it might even be able to replace my Surface Pro.
Apple does hardware very nicely.
The latency is very impressive on the iPad.
The jagginess on the Surface, like many people already said, is caused by OneNote's algorithms which are not optimized for drawing but for notetaking. A better test in this regard would be something like Photoshop or Corel Painter.
The jagginess on the Surface, like many people already said, is caused by OneNote's algorithms which are not optimized for drawing but for notetaking. A better test in this regard would be something like Photoshop or Corel Painter.
So much lag on both devices.
I thought the Pencil would have no lag.
I thought the Pencil would have no lag.
Oh, where to start?
First of all, the assertion that it should even be a "pure hardware capabilities" comparison is utterly ridiculous. It was a comparison of both platforms' handwriting tool to interact with both platforms' Note taking tool. They both control the hardware. They both control the software. They both control the underlying OS. They both control the drivers. And they were both doing the Same. Exact. Function. The Apple Pencil was just doing it better with Apple's Notes than the Microsoft Pen was doing it with Microsoft's One Note.
Second, as I stated above, in spite of all of that other functionality the two programs and pieces of hardware may or may not have the function that was happening on screen was the exact same function.
Finally, your statement that Apple's Notes "is pretty basic in comparison" tells me that you apparently haven't used Notes in iOS 9.x.
What an enlighten opinion. Where is the rabbit coming from? From the top of my hat.
There are lots of things people don't need, but that doesn't mean people won't buy it...
We must be reading different stories on the front page of MR each week.
Times have changed very much , cause before apple was very popular, it was not weekly news, but annual.
Simple fact is, you are not safe on any platform, if you think you are, you are diluted
That Chinese mishap was hardly a very small incident. Talk about head in sand
It's kind of a useless thing to argue about, because as I and that one other guy have proven, fast strokes don't produce jaggy edges in PS. It's all to do with how OneNote autocorrects strokes when converting them to vectors, which isn't that big of a deal.
The strokes in Apple's notes do look better, but we're arguing minutiae here.
Though for more poops and giggles, I fired up OneNote and wrote something stupid.. Let's see if we can spot the jaggies in my terrible, godawful handwriting.
Why would I agree on a reviewer that disagrees with my view? I also believe you are using the term 'bias' in the wrong context here.
I'm just glad a reviewer stated that facts, instead of being caught in Apple's 'distortion field'.
Absolutely. I just normally take notes in a note program. Let's fire up the Photoshop test.
If you pause the video you can see the difference in lag. I think the pencil does an amazing considering the comparison was shot at 120fps.
While the Notes app in iOS 9 is certainly an upgrade over previous versions, it's not doing character recognition. That's a pretty important contrast with OneNote. You can make great doodles in Notes, but your doodles are pictures forever. In OneNote, you push a button and those vector-y, jagged(er) lines, become text. It's not that one is better than the other; it's the internet. You'll find plenty of people who'd be happy to argue - heatedly - that character recognition is more important than smooth lines. But they are different and not a meaningful way to compare styli.
The comparison in the video only tells you not to use OneNote if you're trying to be artistic.
The comparison in the video only tells you not to use OneNote if you're trying to be artistic.
Another fool talking for all (pro) users. I say fool because only a fool would think that every single (pro) user has the same use case as they do....