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It's just sad how people are stuck in the 19th century.
It means everything. And I see that apart of OS, you agree with everything else. For OS, mobile OS on mobile device > desktop OS on mobile device
Actually no. I don't agree with any of it.
You are just rolling out specs for two very different devices running a totally different OS as some kind of, "gotchya".
The GPU and Chipset are amazing I agree. You're not however going to be playing Battlefield or COD on this thing anytime soon though.
A mobile device. A laptop is pretty mobile last time I checked.
We think differently obviously. I never want to return to the horrific restrictions of iOS. If Windows is the only option for that then so be it. So far so good. I notice very little difference between Windows and OS X these days and I use both all day every day.
The Surface allows for a seamless transition from my desk to the train, plane, automobile. Windows is right there. PhotoShop, Illustrator, Visual Studio, Texture Packer, Reason the list goes on.They are all right there.
4 speakers,2 speakers, a billion speakers. What is the difference? Its a professional working machine, not a sound system.
On the other hand if I want to use the surface for consumption I don't have to prop it up or cradle it to do so.
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See I still don't think iOS should function like OS X - I think it should run single screen apps rock solid for professionals. Professionals are not unzipping files and e-mailing multiple attachments, this is office lacky work and should be done on a laptop. Id use my retina Macbook for such tasks, I would want or expect to do them on an iPad - Pro or otherwise.
The only thing i think is natural to implement is being able to drag things between the multi-tasking windows, this seems obvious and is currently impossible.
I don't want all the Windows type features you mentioned implemented.
The iPad Pro i think should excel as.
- Advanced planning and organisation (building blue prints etc, where you can use pencil and hands and advanced vector software to draw up house plans in a single app, much more interactively than you can on a laptop)
- Logic Pro Remote (multiple channels you can touch and edit at the same time as if you were using a real midi controller or desk, other audio apps can also take advantage of the added real estate to enable this to replace a midi controlling mixing desk)
- Digital Artists (the advantages with pencil are already there for this as are the apps and being used instead of a Wacom Cintiq and being more flexible whilst its at it is an obvious usage instance.
- Engineers note taking - I mean just take a look at this https://twitter.com/dlpasco/status/665012435141574657, https://twitter.com/dlpasco/status/665013005080375296
- Coda for web design - the new version lets you pull in an iPad mini sized website next to your code which automatically updates as you write it. This is the first example that I think overlaps with a laptop and where you might as well do it there, were it not for the fact that you're seeing a live example of exactly what your site looks like on iOS Safari and mobile devices which is ideal for troubleshooting your code before then going back to desktop based browsers to do the same. Its more streamlined than refreshing an emulator in OS X.
- Advanced large touch screen remote - I expect to see lots of pro apps take advantage of the large iPad Pro and use it as a second screen experience, like the Logic Remote above, other pro apps should do this so you can interact with the experience in OS X and use the iPad Pro as a controller.
I was hoping Apple would be releasing this with a whole host of Pro features right off the bat.
Logic, FinalCut etc and building the user experience around that.. For professionals. This email, Facebook soft launch really miffed me.
Here is a big iPad, Pencil is 5 weeks away, enjoy. Not the strongest approach.
Logic, FinalCut etc and building the user experience around that.. For professionals. This email, Facebook soft launch really miffed me.
Here is a big iPad, Pencil is 5 weeks away, enjoy. Not the strongest approach.
And to think I bought my 2015 13" MBA for $719 (on a great Best Buy deal) which is $80 less than what the base model iPad Pro runs.
no thanks. I will stick to my MBA.
no thanks. I will stick to my MBA.
That's so cute. The iPad Pro can handle three 4K streams from the iPhone, which shoots 4K at a bitrate of 51mbps (at 30fps). For reference, 50mbps is the absolute minimum for shooting 1080p broadcasts in the UK. I shoot 1080p in ProRes HQ at 220mbps, more than 4 times the data with 1/4 the resolution. By that math, the iPad Pro can edit three streams of 4K video that has 16 times less data in it than a professional codec.
Apple's own ProRes codec white papers list their lowest 4K codec as a "proxy" codec that is suitable for "first generation viewing", meaning it is too compressed to render out after editing. This proxy codec, that Apple does not suggest editing with is still 180mbps... Or more than three times the bitrate of iPhone 4K video.
One hour of proper 4K footage, suitable for editing is close to 400GB, or more than 3x the space available on the iPad.
I am guessing RAM would be a big bottleneck at that point anyway.
I agree that this iPad has an impressive spec list. Compared to another iOS device.
It beats all other iOS devices hands down.
But, and here is the big but! You are throwing out these things against a totally different device running a totally different OS. You don't see someone releasing a laptop and comparing it to an iPad.
I also didn't agree with you spouting out specs as your only argument.
A bizarre post, agreed. Sometimes I think they are paid bots writing this type of stuff. 12 hours straight of drawing, would never happen! That's a lot of amphetamines to get through.
I tried the machine last night. It is pretty sweet for drawing I must say. I was ready to buy one then..... oops sorry no pencils!
That video linked is awful - some of these tech Youtubers really can't think about using a device for anything other than their own needs. All they ever think about is editing video. They don't seem to acknowledge any other creative industries what so ever. This guy doesn't' have the knowledge nor the interests to justify reviewing an iPad Pro to him it will only ever been a large screened iPad.
All these tech Youtubers have are expensive camera rigs, great shooting skills and a lack of personality usually.
All these tech Youtubers have are expensive camera rigs, great shooting skills and a lack of personality usually.
I don't see any of your arguments, except repeating that devices are different. Maybe you should learn back up your assertion by at least some facts and not by some total bs like "smoothing". Its perhaps because iPad just smokes Surface in hardware so you don't have any arguments against.
many also have a complete and utter lack of knowledge on the subject their testing.
as I said before. the video showing pen entry in OneNote is shameful. Anyone who understands a thing about tech, and oneNote knows that it is going to be slower. OneNOTE does NOT do 1:1 pen tracking. hence the jaggies. this is by design. its meant to be a note taking application, and it adjusts the lines with vector graphics to a 'best fit' for readability.
The fact that the mods here haven't taken the video off the article shows that they're letting their own bias shine through. A bad test is a bad test is a bad test.
Thats no slam to the Apple Pencil. it looks amazing! but if you're going to do some sort of comparison, at least do a like to like comparison.
I know there are some professionals out there that are clamoring for this device.
Just wondering who. It's not exactly and "ah-ha this is the device that fills the missing link in my work life".
Definitely powerful for a tablet.
Just wondering who. It's not exactly and "ah-ha this is the device that fills the missing link in my work life".
Definitely powerful for a tablet.
(Speculating here)
I was wondering about that myself. Thinking it through, a few things almost certainly have to be true:
* Apple is well aware of and technically capable of using the same technology Wacom uses to have a stylus that doesn't require a battery. (here's a link with a little info on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacom_(company)#Technology)
Of course, patents might be an impediment, but that seems like something Apple would have a good chance of handling considering that they've been so successful in the mobile communications space which has a massively complex IP environment.
* Apple would not build a device that includes a battery lightly. As you note, the inconvenience of charging is a significant issue for the user experience. It's also a costly component -- you need the battery itself plus some kind of charging port/mechanism. Not only does this cost money, but both impact the design as well. So... adding a battery impacts cost, UX, and design -- all things Apple cares a lot about. They could not have added a battery lightly.
So...
I have to assume there is a significant payoff in functionality that Apple feels warrants all these issues... lower latency? better precision? minimizes parallax?
Anyway, it actually makes me hope the Pencil has some significant advantages over a Wacom device (which, as far as I know, have been the best generally available).
Would it be worth it to you? Having to periodically charge the Pencil vs. significantly better functionallity? Assuming that's actually true... maybe a better question is: what improved functionality, over a Wacom solution, would justify the inconvenient workflow?
Hmm, A few posts back I actually wrote why in my case the Surface works for me, why having this great spec doesn't actually work if the operating system doesn't support it and how having double the speakers doesn't = a pro device.
So, to reiterate with a few examples.
On my Pro 3, last Gen i5.
I can play steam games with mouse and keyboard support – obviously not all of them.
Expand my hard drive at will – SD card.
Plug in any USB device without an adapter
Use all my work software without having to use a watered down app.
Use a full desktop keyboard.
Actually from start to finish, design, build, compile and release and application that I can use on the device.
Not have to rely on a desktop to complete any work.
Never have update all my apps when the iOS changes or rely on developers keeping these apps up to date.
Easily switch between desktop and tablet - coding to sketching.
All of this zips along with windows 10 that hasn’t – touch wood – crashed once or been overwhelmed with bugs etc.
So, iPad Pro. It’s got a fast Processor. Excellent, to do what? It runs the same apps as any iPad at a faster speed.
Greater GPU. Great, it runs the same games as any iPad.
4 speakers. Wow. So?
A better stylus. Ok cool. Doesn’t run Photoshop so doesn’t apply to me personally – might to other people. I have no need for a very expensive sketch book. Anyhoo, I’ve never had a single issue with the Pro 3 Pen. The Pro 4 is much better.
The only thing that this iPad does that is any different is have pencil support (if you can get the pencil). Everything else can be done on a smaller or mini iPad.
Real world examples. Not just a, "mine is bigger than yours".
Let's see, $100 stylus, takes 4-5 weeks to ship.
Surface Pro Pen: $60.
I would hope the Apple Pencil would draw much better seeing as you're purchasing a pen that costs $40 more.
Surface Pro Pen: $60.
I would hope the Apple Pencil would draw much better seeing as you're purchasing a pen that costs $40 more.
It depends on definition of pro work. What works for some, may not for you and vs versa.
I can play steam games with mouse and keyboard support – obviously not all of them.
Huh? I thought we are talking about work, not games. In games, though Pro has advantage (see benchmarks).
Expand my hard drive at will – SD card.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/9294175.p?id=1219405816007&skuId=9294175
Plug in any USB device without an adapter
If you don't have Windows drivers for that device, it won't work. Sometimes, even those which are supposed to work, don't work. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/817900
Use all my work software without having to use a watered down app.
IPad Pro can use all its apps without having to use a watered down Windows app. Which for example chokes on single 4K stream, while iPad can edit THREE 4k streams simultaneously.
Use a full desktop keyboard.
In addition to Surface's own keyboard? Thats not very helpful. However, if you wish, you can BT keyboard with iPad.Logitech Tablet Keyboard (for iPad) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386192,00.asp
Actually from start to finish, design, build, compile and release and application that I can use on the device.
See iPad Pro apps like Photoshop, Pages, Keynote, etc.
Not have to rely on a desktop to complete any work.
See iPad Pro apps like Photoshop, Pages, Keynote, etc.
Never have update all my apps when the iOS changes or rely on developers keeping these apps up to date.
On Surface you update iOS apps? Actually, iOS and apps can be updated automatically. Better than stuck with Windows drivers from 1990s.
Easily switch between desktop and tablet - coding to sketching.
Yes, you code and draw on iPad. Probably even without switching.
All of this zips along with windows 10 that hasn’t – touch wood – crashed once or been overwhelmed with bugs etc.
Windows 10 has so many bugs that iT desks recommend uninstallng it. http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/support-reps-diss-windows-10
You CANNOT run full Photoshop on any iOS device! Where are you getting this from?
You touted GPU. Great. The benchmarks must be incredible. But - using games as an example as they are GPU heavy, you will not be getting full desktop games on an iOS device. So where is that horsepower going?
Waterd down Windows app? What app? SOFTWARE! Real, full blown desktop software! You can read I take it?!
Sorry, I should have said not having to buy an adapter for SD cards, USB etc..
As for your example. That SD card uses up your one and only slot. Nice one.
Using the Surface Type cover that has, you know, Function keys, number keys etc... Oh and a trackpad.
You can create and compile apps in Pages now? Interesting..
No, sorry. Having to rely on developers updating apps as soon as a new iOS is rolled out and relying on that iOS xx to not make my iPad run like a crippled dog.
And now with the windows 10 nightmare that millions of people are having.
I've been using it since it rolled out. I haven't had a single issue. I've had more issues with El Cap than Windows 10.
Now. I have given my examples on why I think a beefed up specs on an iPad doesn't make a blind bit of difference. It's still just an iPad running exactly the same iOS as every other iOS device.
Apple have done nothing to make this Pro - no Apple Apps specifically for this device - Logic - Final Cut etc..
The only selling point is the pencil and you can't even get that.
Pro is not IMO an expensive sketch book.
Now, if people are going to go out and buy this then all good to them and I'm sure they're going to have a blast with it.
I just can't stand the ignorant and uninformed views. Hell not even views. Just a cut and paste of a benchmark and specs sheet and say, there, done. drop mic. It's so utterly lazy.
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If you didn't know there are already two Photoshop versions for IOS.
Games on Pro and iOS better than games on Surface. Thats what matters
Do you carry you adaptors all day with your Surface? With Airdrop, Pro doesn't even need any adaptors to move files.
Surface Type cover? You first talked about full size keyboard. So, there is a full keyboard for iOS. For Pro, now even two. Even backlit. Do you have backlit keys on Surface? They don't work much you know http://forums.windowscentral.com/mi...270958-auto-backlit-keyboard-not-working.html
You don't want updates? But Windows always has updates which always break something. Now you can't even reject them in Windows 10.
So continue to lie about your Surface.
No, I don't carry any adapters. Surface cover and Pen. SD card is slotted into the SD card slot under the kickstand. That's it.
Oh and using airdrop without internet could prove tricky.
Games, games... Please prove that touch based gaming is better than desktop (mouse and keyboard) or joypad gaming. Or while you are playing Fallout Shelter, I'll be playing Fallout 3 - 4 might be a bit of a stretch on the Pro 3.
No, Photoshop CC is desktop only software. There are however Photoshop Express and Mix. Watered down apps.
Oh I should point out that for work I am always working on PSDs that are 1gig + in size. A folder for a site would be around 30Gig with assets / screens etc. How long would that take to Airdrop? How much scratch disk would be available? How quickly would the Pro run out of memory whilst working on one PSD? If Photoshop were available on the iPad Pro, would I be able to load up my own scripts, actions etc? Would I be able to symlink a folder and use SVN to update to the latest scripts and tools?
These are real world examples of a professional doing his day to day job under intense pressure and in a very small timeframe.
The Apple iPad Pro type cover is not backlit nor is it a full keyboard. I'm sure there is one and will be many more from 3rd party. I've never had to rely on 3rd party.
And yes, as I'm using the Type 4 Cover to actually tap this out I can say it works perfectly well and is backlit. No issues. Saying that I am still getting used to the travel on the keys.
Trackpad is a vast improvement though. Also I have somewhere to clip my pen to.
Why would I lie about my Surface? This isn't an MI5 operation. I'm using examples from my professional life to carve up your ill informed BS.
I am not however using a benchmark test as my one and only argument.
Oh and you know, for all the issues that Windows has - same as OS X and iOS. You only hear about those specific ones. Millions more have no issues at all.
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Apple, how difficult is it to get?! Public wants more storage and ports (at least micro SD card) on the Pro device. Why are you willing to sacrifice your sales? I just don't get it. Public clearly voting for hybrid device these days. Ether you going to supply one or face mass exodus to Surface Pro 4 and similar. Please listen to what we want!!!
You're willing to compromise and nothing wrong with that.
Compromise isn't the vision of Apple. Perfection is. Apple created the best TABLET device while M$ created the worst tablet and mediocre laptop called Surface. There are compromises in all areas which makes the Surface clearly an inferior product. Coupled with Windoze, you get the worst of the worst.