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iPad Pro iPad Pro will be a failure...
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Personally i think ALL TABLETS weather it be apple, android or windows, are reaching a point of diminishing returns. The novelty of using a tablet has worn off, and outside of the standard better camera/screen/specs, different sizes, there is only so much you can do with them.
At the end of the day, a tablet is never ever going to truly replace a laptop or desktop machine for some things, and a desktop/laptop is never going to do other things as well as a tablet and i don't care how much you try to combine them with products like the surface line or what ever, some things like in-depth encoding and writing are always just going to work better on a keyboard and mouse, while more artistic things like drawing, or certain types of games and media consumption, will work better on a tablet.
At the end of the day, what more can you really do with a tablet anyway? Sans the addition of 3d touch or some other form of haptic feedback on a tablet where you can physically change the texture and feedback of the screen itself on some level, i as of now can't see a major breakthrough revountary change for the platform anytime soon.
I honestly think when apple put out the iPad and iPhone, there core design and function was so well thought out and refined (yes there were other touch screen tablets and phones out there beforehand ) that it set the bar so far ahead that people unrealistically expect them to do that with every revision of the product every single year and you simply can't just do that!
It really is a case of a once in a decade or even lifetime breakthrough, and apple does that more then any other company and the expectation for them to do that on a constant bases is outright unrealistic. Some years they refine the product greatly, other years..not so much.
Honestly and realistically though how much thinner lighter and faster can these things get? At what point does the screen and camera resolution become so high, so detailed, that the human eye can't no longer perceive the difference from one to the next?
Short of them adding holographs or some sort of crazy science fiction like thing, what more can you get out of a tablet platform?
and for people to say the pro is a disappointment, fine i can see why some people for there own needs would come to that conclusion..but what more do u really want in a mass produced product?
At the end of the day, a tablet is never ever going to truly replace a laptop or desktop machine for some things, and a desktop/laptop is never going to do other things as well as a tablet and i don't care how much you try to combine them with products like the surface line or what ever, some things like in-depth encoding and writing are always just going to work better on a keyboard and mouse, while more artistic things like drawing, or certain types of games and media consumption, will work better on a tablet.
At the end of the day, what more can you really do with a tablet anyway? Sans the addition of 3d touch or some other form of haptic feedback on a tablet where you can physically change the texture and feedback of the screen itself on some level, i as of now can't see a major breakthrough revountary change for the platform anytime soon.
I honestly think when apple put out the iPad and iPhone, there core design and function was so well thought out and refined (yes there were other touch screen tablets and phones out there beforehand ) that it set the bar so far ahead that people unrealistically expect them to do that with every revision of the product every single year and you simply can't just do that!
It really is a case of a once in a decade or even lifetime breakthrough, and apple does that more then any other company and the expectation for them to do that on a constant bases is outright unrealistic. Some years they refine the product greatly, other years..not so much.
Honestly and realistically though how much thinner lighter and faster can these things get? At what point does the screen and camera resolution become so high, so detailed, that the human eye can't no longer perceive the difference from one to the next?
Short of them adding holographs or some sort of crazy science fiction like thing, what more can you get out of a tablet platform?
and for people to say the pro is a disappointment, fine i can see why some people for there own needs would come to that conclusion..but what more do u really want in a mass produced product?
Or something like this for musicians:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st.../m.facebook.com/verge/videos/975966512439692/
I bought an iPad 1 in the fall of 2010, I replaced it with an iPad Retina two years later, in 2012. Two years after that in 2014, I bought an iPad Air 2 Retina. Although I have had my current iPad Air 2 for only a bit over a year, I am seriously considering buying an iPad Pro and a SmartKeyboard to go with it. For the first time, it appears that the iPad Pro, with its greater power, the availability of a full-size keyboard, and still light weight, can at least come close to doing what my Macbook Pro can do. If it can, I will be a happy camper.
I agree. I though the air 2 was a significant upgrade. I was hoping they'd upgrade the air again but I guess the component prices didn't justify upgrading the air2 just yet. I will rock a pro and my air 2 for a bit longer. I want to see what it feels like. My lil bro loves to draw so maybe I will get a pro for him too.
1.) I hate how people make illogical comparisons by comparing people's skepticism about the iPad and iPhone with skepticism about the iPad Pro.
The iPad was a risk, sure. But it was a completely new product. iPad Pro isn't a new product. It's a bigger iPad with a pencil. That's it.
2.) iPad Pro market is basically for creative types who uses products like (or at least would like to use products like) the Wacom tablets/clipboards but find them too expensive. Their next best option might be something like the iPad Pro. Even better for those who don't currently own tablets.
I agree, though. This product would have been a game changer if it included a hybrid of iPad hardware and OS X software.
The iPad was a risk, sure. But it was a completely new product. iPad Pro isn't a new product. It's a bigger iPad with a pencil. That's it.
2.) iPad Pro market is basically for creative types who uses products like (or at least would like to use products like) the Wacom tablets/clipboards but find them too expensive. Their next best option might be something like the iPad Pro. Even better for those who don't currently own tablets.
I agree, though. This product would have been a game changer if it included a hybrid of iPad hardware and OS X software.
Considering how OSX is not a touch friendly OS, a hybrid device would be stupid. I think now that developers have 4gb of ram to play with, you will have some very interesting apps coming down the pipe. I am looking forward to using the Pro at work, where I can use it for remote access and actually see what I'm working on...
but then any hybrid would be Apple's venture into another category product. no doubt they'll enter this sooner or later when they feel they're not too far lagging behind.
will the ipad then see it's end of days i wonder?
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But there's corporate culture, and at Apple it's 'Make cool stuff'.
Of course, one needs money and a job to do this
Apple watch team missed the memo--and that ipad pro cover?---puhlease
Not really. Microsoft already builds that device, and it has a following, but I'd never call it a game-changer. Around my office I see a boatload of Macbook Airs, a ton of bulky Lenovo laptops, a few tablets (not many) and a handful of other gizmos. Not one MS Surface.
I'm afraid a hybrid iPad running OS X would suffer the same fate.
To be a game changer, a product has to have a somewhat subversive element: the iPod was subversive in that it changed how we listened to music (physical media versus bits). The iPhone and later the Apple SIM were subversive in that they helped break the carrier model for buying cellular equipment. For that matter, the Apple design ethos is somewhat subversive in that it raised the bar for industrial design to the point that it's hard to make a living building computers that are disposable plastic junk - and from all I've read, the new Microsoft offerings come pretty close to Apple in terms of fit and finish.
But I don't think putting a touch interface on OS X quite rises to that standard.
True. What is disturbing, is that Cook must have worn one around, and then signed off on it, regardless of the fact it was an unfinished mess. This suggests he's clueless, or suffers from some other issues
As an artist it is the ipad + stylus combo ive been waiting for since the first ipad launched, so I disagree with this thread title.
I've stickied this thread so when I come back after Apple announces the iPad Pro sales, I can laugh at the OP. Laughable.
I think Cook and Jony got very wrapped up in the watch being a technology and fashion product--and the uniqueness of that. Delusional
It may be meaningless, but it's the standard used by boards of directors when firing CEOs. When shareholders and boards of directors are evaluating a CEO, they don't ask whether the products are "cool," they don't ask whether the products have this or that feature. They ask whether the company made a satisfactory amount of profit. They ask whether they like the P/E ratio and whether the stock price has gone up or down. They ask whether their stock is earning them more money or less, compared to other stocks they own. This is true of all companies. They are in business to make money. Apple is no exception, and Apple delivers quality products that people buy, and delivers healthy earnings to its stockholders.
If the iPad fails, it'll be because the price is very high. Needs to come down $100-200 for the 128GB model.
This pricing is very much in line with the other 'greedy' moves that Apple has made. 5,400rpm HDD in a 5k iMac, reducing flash in the fusion drive, and, the new keyboard/magic trackpad pricing.
This pricing is very much in line with the other 'greedy' moves that Apple has made. 5,400rpm HDD in a 5k iMac, reducing flash in the fusion drive, and, the new keyboard/magic trackpad pricing.
Yes, they are a greedy bunch. Maybe a holiday sale? I'm dreaming?
I bet Tim Cook and the rest of the team at Apple are REALLY going to regret not getting your opinion on this BEFORE they decided to move them into production...
"Apple is greedy."
Yes. Apple is indeed greedy. And so is every other corporation. Another word for greed is "the profit motive," which is the seminal idea behind the free market system, a.k.a. capitalism. The sole purpose of every corporation is to rake in as much money as it possibly can. A CEO who gives the impression that he is not doing his best to maximize profits will be fired, and a board of directors who allows such a CEO to remain in office will be sued for malfeasance by the stockholders. When hiring a CEO, a board will hire the person its members feel will rake in the most money for the company, and the board will fire a CEO if its members feel the CEO is raking in less money than someone else could.
Greed is our national religion. We all worship at the alter of greed. Apple is the quintessential American corporate citizen because it does greed better than anyone. If you're trying to sell a pig, you don't sell it to the person who is the hungriest; you sell it to the person who offers to pay you the most.
The charge against Apple of being overly greedy is made by people who are just envious that Apple has done greed more successfully than they have. Greed is as American as AAPL pie. I'm greedy too. I wish I owned 10% of Apple.
Yes. Apple is indeed greedy. And so is every other corporation. Another word for greed is "the profit motive," which is the seminal idea behind the free market system, a.k.a. capitalism. The sole purpose of every corporation is to rake in as much money as it possibly can. A CEO who gives the impression that he is not doing his best to maximize profits will be fired, and a board of directors who allows such a CEO to remain in office will be sued for malfeasance by the stockholders. When hiring a CEO, a board will hire the person its members feel will rake in the most money for the company, and the board will fire a CEO if its members feel the CEO is raking in less money than someone else could.
Greed is our national religion. We all worship at the alter of greed. Apple is the quintessential American corporate citizen because it does greed better than anyone. If you're trying to sell a pig, you don't sell it to the person who is the hungriest; you sell it to the person who offers to pay you the most.
The charge against Apple of being overly greedy is made by people who are just envious that Apple has done greed more successfully than they have. Greed is as American as AAPL pie. I'm greedy too. I wish I owned 10% of Apple.