iPad Pro iPad Pro will be a failure...

[Moto6502]

"Apple is greedy."

Yes. Apple is indeed greedy. And so is every other corporation. Another word for greed is "the profit motive," which is the seminal idea behind the free market system, a.k.a. capitalism. The sole purpose of every corporation is to rake in as much money as it possibly can. A CEO who gives the impression that he is not doing his best to maximize profits will be fired, and a board of directors who allows such a CEO to remain in office will be sued for malfeasance by the stockholders. When hiring a CEO, a board will hire the person its members feel will rake in the most money for the company, and the board will fire a CEO if its members feel the CEO is raking in less money than someone else could.

Greed is our national religion. We all worship at the alter of greed. Apple is the quintessential American corporate citizen because it does greed better than anyone. If you're trying to sell a pig, you don't sell it to the person who is the hungriest; you sell it to the person who offers to pay you the most.

The charge against Apple of being overly greedy is made by people who are just envious that Apple has done greed more successfully than they have. Greed is as American as AAPL pie. I'm greedy too. I wish I owned 10% of Apple.

Been reading MR for years, but had to finally sign up so I could say that this is one of the most honest posts I've read in a while. Kudos to you Daniel, you've nailed it. As ugly as it sounds, as much as people say or wish it wasn't true, at the end of the day greed and money talk.

Apple doesn't care one bit about anyone. The days of true innovation for the sake of innovation is gone. It's all about profits. Apple would sell icecream to eskimos if they could see a large profit. And for those that say the iPad Pro will be a failure, that's just jealousy talking. It will sell, and they will have updated models next year just like all the other iPads.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.. They're all the same and we're just sheeple in a big hamster wheel.

P.S. I don't have any stocks in any company. So I'm like most of you other chumps. Working hard, and paying what it costs. Oh well...

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

"Apple is greedy."

Yes. Apple is indeed greedy. And so is every other corporation. Another word for greed is "the profit motive," which is the seminal idea behind the free market system, a.k.a. capitalism. The sole purpose of every corporation is to rake in as much money as it possibly can. A CEO who gives the impression that he is not doing his best to maximize profits will be fired, and a board of directors who allows such a CEO to remain in office will be sued for malfeasance by the stockholders. When hiring a CEO, a board will hire the person its members feel will rake in the most money for the company, and the board will fire a CEO if its members feel the CEO is raking in less money than someone else could.

Greed is our national religion. We all worship at the alter of greed. Apple is the quintessential American corporate citizen because it does greed better than anyone. If you're trying to sell a pig, you don't sell it to the person who is the hungriest; you sell it to the person who offers to pay you the most.

The charge against Apple of being overly greedy is made by people who are just envious that Apple has done greed more successfully than they have. Greed is as American as AAPL pie. I'm greedy too. I wish I owned 10% of Apple.

While i agree with most of what was said above as 100% pure truth, that said, i still think if any company out there deserves its money, its Apple. even there products that are considered failures, a lot of work and effort went into those products, and you can tell when you buy an apple product, a lot of people really tried to get it right. Like all things, sometimes it just doesn't work out, or sometimes the corporate mentality does get in the way, or they are on the right track with a product but it just isnt there yet and future revisions will undoubtedly nail it (the apple watch being a prime example of this. I own one, love it but there is deffently room to improve on it and the lack of a downloadable store of watch faces just baffles my mind)

Point is, all corporations are greedy. Thats why there corporations. they want to make money, as stated above. Heres the thing though, we as americans, don't have to buy there products. They may want you to think you have to, but last time i checked, they don't have salesmen going door to door armed with guns threating you to purchase there stuff. Now I'm sure if somehow that was legal, a lot of corporations would do that. Idk if apple would.

Also at the end of the day its you, the consumer who has all the power. If you think the iPhone or iPad are overrated, overpriced, simplistic childrens toy that don't allow you to do "Real Computing" then stick with android or Windows. Apple doesn't really care what you use. You can buy what ever you like. Of course they prefer its there product, but so does every other tech company.

 

[AppleRobert]

I know the MacBooks sell well and they ain't cheap, just go to any bookstore or library to see folks using them.

Don't know what Apple expects from this product as far as sales. Some have it marked as a blown up iPad and at $799 plus accessories, that is rather steep versus $499 plus accessories which goes even lower depending on retailer sales.

 

[cynics]

I doubt it will be a failure.

There will be people that call it a failure based on revenue when compared to other Apple products. This is a problem for Apple, when you are one of the richest companies on the planet and most of that is due in part to a single product line i.e. iPhone then every other product you sell is labeled as a failure.

Like the Apple Watch. It can dominate the Smart Watch category but people still refer to it as a failure because of its revenue based against the iPhone or iPad.

 

[kaelell]

Long time Apple user here...

The iPad Pro will be a big failure for Tim Cook. Really, he just doesn't have a long term vision for the tablet line. Bigger iPad with stylus, but same OS is honestly the dumbest thing Apple has come up with since the Apple Watch.

The iPad Pro needs to be able to run OSX or have some sort of file system as a lite replacement for a MacBook, otherwise it's just a glorified and expensive version of an iPad Air (which I sold to get a MBP)

Now I read Apple is investing resources to building a car. (Slaps forehead) Laughable Tim.

"slaps forehead" at why people seem to only deal in black and white, success or failures. Your right its never going to be a product that's going to take the world by storm, its never going to be something that everyone and their mum wants, but its also never ever intended to be. Its not following any different formula to what has already brought Apple so much success. We all know iPad sales are slowing down, its inevitable - most people now have a tablet in their home of one brand or another, and its not something that gets changed as often as a phone. The Pro is targeted to get that little extra penetration in market that probably falls just outside their current customer base. some of those professionals, artists and sketchers who are caught between the 2 extremes of the iPad and the Surface market.

There's no doubt the pencil is the big sell here, without it the tablet would struggle - but why no full blown OS? well at the same time they dont want to cannibalize their own macbook air range. It's purposely situated at the small market its sitting at, there is an intention to it that maybe you just cant see right now.

The only thing I really could not understand is why they released a 32GB modal. Surely a base 64GB made more sense given its market.

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

Not for nothing though, but even what people consider one of apples "Failures", I'm quite sure any other company would call a rousing success!

 

[yegon]

Regarding OSX on an iPad, I firmly believe in "careful for what you wish for".

I love OSX, but too often people say they want it on iPad without saying how it will work. Even the iPad Pro is a small screen when you put a touch enabled full OSX equivalent on there, short of a complete redesign of OSX...at which point is it really OSX?

Personal use, I've always had a beastly PC for gaming, and macs for everything else. For work, last year or so I was given a Surface Pro 3. It's undeniably impressive functionality wise, I can totally see if you want one device to rule them all it's very good, and the SP4 will improve that. However, and it's been said before, it's undeniably a compromise device - it's neither a great laptop or a great tablet. The Surface Book isn't going to change one part of that, the tablet portion is heavy, has limited battery life and the tablet experience (for now) just isn't as good as a tablet specific device. As a laptop though, I think a fully specced out Surface Book will make a really good laptop, the tablet functionality being a nice bonus.

I'm all for a more fully featured iOS, but I prefer Apple's route of starting from a mobile OS and designing up, as opposed to MS's route of a full OS and designing down. I'd love a MacBook Pro with a detachable screen that doubles as an iPad with 10 hours battery life, but in the meantime I'd rather have a great tablet and a great laptop, rather than decent mix of both with neither tablet or laptop experience excelling (SP4) or a great laptop with an okay tablet (Surface Book).

Still a big advocate of a "proper" laptop, be it Windows or Mac, for 95% of intensive work. Tablets of all persuasion are still Fisher Price for real graft outside of obvious strengths like art etc and when I hear people groan about iOS' lack of functionality I implore them to just buy a laptop in the meantime, rather that adopt workaround iPad solutions.

The jury is still out for me on the iPad Pro. I like where they're heading, and for my usage as a large, light, on the go consumption device on the road find it quite appealing. I'm not an artist though, so the real boon of it I can't judge.

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

Regarding OSX on an iPad, I firmly believe in "careful for what you wish for".

I love OSX, but too often people say they want it on iPad without saying how it will work. Even the iPad Pro is a small screen when you put a touch enabled full OSX equivalent on there, short of a complete redesign of OSX...at which point is it really OSX?

Personal use, I've always had a beastly PC for gaming, and macs for everything else. For work, last year or so I was given a Surface Pro 3. It's undeniably impressive functionality wise, I can totally see if you want one device to rule them all it's very good, and the SP4 will improve that. However, and it's been said before, it's undeniably a compromise device - it's neither a great laptop or a great tablet. The Surface Book isn't going to change one part of that, the tablet portion is heavy, has limited battery life and the tablet experience (for now) just isn't as good as a tablet specific device. As a laptop though, I think a fully specced out Surface Book will make a really good laptop, the tablet functionality being a nice bonus.

I'm all for a more fully featured iOS, but I prefer Apple's route of starting from a mobile OS and designing up, as opposed to MS's route of a full OS and designing down. I'd love a MacBook Pro with a detachable screen that doubles as an iPad with 10 hours battery life, but in the meantime I'd rather have a great tablet and a great laptop, rather than decent mix of both with neither tablet or laptop experience excelling (SP4) or a great laptop with an okay tablet (Surface Book).

Still a big advocate of a "proper" laptop, be it Windows or Mac, for 95% of intensive work. Tablets of all persuasion are still Fisher Price for real graft outside of obvious strengths like art etc and when I hear people groan about iOS' lack of functionality I implore them to just buy a laptop in the meantime, rather that adopt workaround iPad solutions.

The jury is still out for me on the iPad Pro. I like where they're heading, and for my usage as a large, light, on the go consumption device on the road find it quite appealing. I'm not an artist though, so the real boon of it I can't judge.

I totally agree. Its all about the user experience and that is the defining aspect of apple. Apple isn't going to put out a device with really lousy user experience. The Interface, Ui, functionality etc all have to be up to there standards and yes while nothing is perfect, they USUALLY think things through.

All my issues with the apple watch, (with the exception of a slightly bigger screen and FaceTime camera) can all be fixed in a simple software update and I'm sure the next models will even be better.

Apple knows what there doing. Even without steve jobs (this time). So i got faith in the iPad pro and dying to get one, regardless if it runs OS X or not! I just want to draw on the dammed thing lol and now i finally can (or will, at the time of this writing)

 

[gwsat]

As noted in an earlier post, I was very interested in the iPad Pro -- for a while. I have since changed my mind because I have seen some reviews in which it is revealed that the Smart Keyboard is difficult to use when it is in the user's lap. Also, it appears that the iPad Pro and its attacked keyboard weigh at least as much as a 12 inch MacBook. This makes it a nonstarter for me because 95 percent of the time I hold the computing device I am using it in my lap. Thus, alas, I am convinced that the iPad Pro and Smart Keyboard won't work for me.

 

[I7guy]

"Apple is greedy."

Yes. Apple is indeed greedy. And so is every other corporation. Another word for greed is "the profit motive," which is the seminal idea behind the free market system, a.k.a. capitalism. The sole purpose of every corporation is to rake in as much money as it possibly can. A CEO who gives the impression that he is not doing his best to maximize profits will be fired, and a board of directors who allows such a CEO to remain in office will be sued for malfeasance by the stockholders. When hiring a CEO, a board will hire the person its members feel will rake in the most money for the company, and the board will fire a CEO if its members feel the CEO is raking in less money than someone else could.

Greed is our national religion. We all worship at the alter of greed. Apple is the quintessential American corporate citizen because it does greed better than anyone. If you're trying to sell a pig, you don't sell it to the person who is the hungriest; you sell it to the person who offers to pay you the most.

The charge against Apple of being overly greedy is made by people who are just envious that Apple has done greed more successfully than they have. Greed is as American as AAPL pie. I'm greedy too. I wish I owned 10% of Apple.

Actually Peter drucker 101. Greed doesn't bring in the $$$ or else everyone that were greedy would be rich.

 

[sp3k0psv3t]

I am just curious how up to speed you are with macro trends in the pc/laptop industry? You do realize that for most (and the readers of MacRumors are not representative of the sample), the iPad format is all that is needed? No more PC, no more laptop. Many never had a PC or Laptop, phones and tablets are bringing them. Not too mention special purpose uses in the arts, education, transportation, restaurants and governments (I can go on).

Apple is creating a whole new wave of technology customers and the iPad Pro fills a hole in their product line. Clearly they learned from the iPhone it is best to have multiple alternatives to satisfy all types. In addition the more alternatives they have on offer, the less likely a competitor can be heard or seen.

The benchmark will be total Apple tablet sales. I think you will find the iPad Pro will be a major contributor to the overall tablet revenue growth.

Agree completely. People often lose site of the "general public forum" that is targeted for consumption of these devices. The Macrumors community is "not" how the majority (i.e. the general,public forum) computes on a daily basis. We here are the outliers for Apple. As noted, the majority of device users use an actual PC at work to do any heavy lighting there then use a tablet at home for content consumption, including: reading news/magazine/academic articles, watching tv and movies, viewing the web, email, etc.; all of which will be better (to me) on a larger, more powerful iPad device. Add in the ability of the pencil and you attract at home users working as artists, musicians, students, and more. If the user needs more computational power for tasks completed at home, they more than likely already have a defacto PC (desktop or laptop) already in place for their workflow. The iPad Pro is not intended to replace these home PC setups, just add enhanced functionality and performance to an already-great iPad lineup.

PS - not that you said it, but tiresome to hear people say the iPad Pro is "too large" to tote around. Last time I checked if you are toting a 9.9" iPad Air, or a laptop, you need a BAG to put them. The iPad Pro is 3-4" bigger - it will fit in the SAME BAG you are already carrying around lol.



Best,

JS

 

[techedude]

Agree completely. People often lose site of the "general public forum" that is targeted for consumption of these devices. The Macrumors community is "not" how the majority (i.e. the general,public forum) computes on a daily basis. We here are the outliers for Apple. As noted, the majority of device users use an actual PC at work to do any heavy lighting there then use a tablet at home for content consumption, including: reading news/magazine/academic articles, watching tv and movies, viewing the web, email, etc.; all of which will be better (to me) on a larger, more powerful iPad device. Add in the ability of the pencil and you attract at home users working as artists, musicians, students, and more. If the user needs more computational power for tasks completed at home, they more than likely already have a defacto PC (desktop or laptop) already in place for their workflow. The iPad Pro is not intended to replace these home PC setups, just add enhanced functionality and performance to an already-great iPad lineup.

PS - not that you said it, but tiresome to hear people say the iPad Pro is "too large" to tote around. Last time I checked if you are toting a 9.9" iPad Air, or a laptop, you need a BAG to put them. The iPad Pro is 3-4" bigger - it will fit in the SAME BAG you are already carrying around lol.



Best,

JS

iPad Air is 9.7in. Just wanted to fix your typo.

 

[mrex]

People said that about the original iPad as well. Funny, history shows differently, No one knows really, perhaps let time tell.

well, people have grown up and do something else than tapping the screen like monkeys...

the huge problems are missing manageable file system and how to manage different formats.

Saying that ipad pro doesnt need osx because there is the macbook line already is abit odd.. how many macbooks are there with a touch screen? exactly!

Art schools? education? designing? cmon! you have no idea what is expected and needed in these sectors and what they are willing to pay. calling a bigger ipad as pro sounds like it is coming from a walking dinosaur...

i dont see any "pro" here - i just see a bigger consumption ipad with an apple pen if you want one. it wont be a miracle for business as ipad wasnt either - and it doesnt matter how much you want to believe it...

i dont think either that ipad pro would be a success. it probably sell well in the first wave, as apple watch did. but what about after the first wave? (and holidays/xmas?) does apple watch sell well after the first wave ? or why an earth are we seeing these ridiculous ads where a women is dancing wearing apple watch etc... so do we see after few months a men dancing with ipad pro? hopefully not...

 

[sp3k0psv3t]

iPad Air is 9.7in. Just wanted to fix your typo.

Good lord lol, nice catch. Thanks. I could have sworn I hit the 7 key. Guess not...

Thanks for the assist.



Best,

JS

 

[engineerben]

well, people have grown up and do something else than tapping the screen like monkeys...

the huge problems are missing manageable file system and how to manage different formats.

Saying that ipad pro doesnt need osx because there is the macbook line already is abit odd.. how many macbooks are there with a touch screen? exactly!

Art schools? education? designing? cmon! you have no idea what is expected and needed in these sectors and what they are willing to pay. calling a bigger ipad as pro sounds like it is coming from a walking dinosaur...

i dont see any "pro" here - i just see a bigger consumption ipad with an apple pen if you want one. it wont be a miracle for business as ipad wasnt either - and it doesnt matter how much you want to believe it...

i dont think either that ipad pro would be a success. it probably sell well in the first wave, as apple watch did. but what about after the first wave? (and holidays/xmas?) does apple watch sell well after the first wave ? or why an earth are we seeing these ridiculous ads where a women is dancing wearing apple watch etc... so do we see after few months a men dancing with ipad pro? hopefully not...

Wow...mind if I take these one at a time?

First, the issue of the file manager has been debated here ad nauseum. For me, the IPP is ideal for creation and consumption, not so much for file management. It may not be right for you.

I'd say the IPP doesn't need OS X because that's not the machine they're trying to build. Sounds like that makes it the machine you don't want to buy - that's fine. But IOS is optimized for the touch-first interface, and if Apple at some future date builds a Mac with some kind of touch-screen interface, well, that's fine too. But it won't be an iPad.

I've been out of school for a long time, so no, I don't know their exact needs or budget. But I know something about designers, and they're willing to pay a fair price for a tool that increases their productivity. They'll buy a few of these, I suspect.

Now, about the "pro" moniker - can we just agree that Apple sometimes tacks on the -Pro suffix when they make something bigger? Apple makes a Macbook Air and a Macbook Pro (and now just a Macbook). There are a lot of professionals I work with toting a Macbook Air as their only computer. I don't accost them with, "You're a professional! You should be using a Macbook Pro!" because 'professional' is about how you use a thing, not what some marketing shill happens to call it.

And nobody's saying the IPP will be a 'miracle' - it won't be, but it'll help out in some use cases.

My predictions are worthless, but I suspect Apple will move a lot of these devices.

 

[sjleworthy]

enqineerben - i fear you're preaching a loosing battle to the masses on the 'osx in a ipad' topic. i feel similar.

i too am more than happy with the ipad being an ipad. it's true to itself. i dont mind this lack of a common filing system. icloud is an alternative, and individual apps have their own systems anyway, which is share by so many other apps.

if i want a desktop os on a tablet i'll plump for the only available option at the moment - a SP4. but then, i'd plump for a more faster powerful just as portable laptop if that were the case, at a better cost. personally, would i want osx on a tablet? not really. i'd choose a laptop if that were the case. and a Windows one at that.

Apple might one day produce an osx running tablet. they have the cash and resources and will more than likely push into every category, but not now. not ipad. it is what it is. i like what it is.

My only want in ipad - devs to develop more desktop class software for it, especially in the art department. other than that, IPP is such a welcome future addition. i cant wait.

 

[mrex]

I'd say the IPP doesn't need OS X because that's not the machine they're trying to build.

so to whom ipad pro is targeted?

there are surface pro and book and for designers something else... to what part does ipad pro fit with ios? between ipad and surface pro? where are apps suitable for differend designers? i dont mean apps that "you can try it but..." there are too many reduced apps already... where are pro apps? there are lots of apps for consumers for sure, but i mean pro apps like there are for cintiq.

i dont know... everything i know about it, it sounds like just a bigger ipad with a pen if you buy it to play with it. and yes, "pro" means just a bigger consumption device for consumers not a productivity tool for business.

when i think about ipad pro i see apple as a walking dinosaur providing something old wrapped with shiny paper... but to whom and for what? i quess even apple doesnt know what it is...

 

[engineerben]

sjleworthy - of course, you're right about that - I have a tendency to tilt at windmills, I suppose.

There's always been this tendency to want to pack all functionality into a single package - a few years ago I heard of someone who wanted to build a phone dock that would give you a full display, mouse and keyboard under the control of the phone's CPU. The idea was you'd carry all your data on the phone and never again need a real computer - you'd just dock your phone wherever you were, and the docks would (naturally) be ubiquitous. Of course, the concept went nowhere. But the desire for a single device that does everything continues unabated.

Now...my main question about the IPP (other than when can I get one) is whether the availability of the Apple Pencil will motivate developers to built "pencil-first" apps. It going to be possible to build apps with a more complex user-facing interface because the tap targets can, in theory, be smaller. It might eliminate multiple configuration pages if all controls and options could be on one (larger) screen with smaller targets. Would developers take a shot on the admittedly smaller audience for such an app? And would those apps meet Apple's look-and-feel guidelines?

It's going to be a fun year!

 

[engineerben]

so to whom ipad pro is targeted?

Honestly, I don't know who the target audience for the iPad Pro is...but I could say the same thing about the Macbook Air, the Surface Pro or the Surface Book.

See, if I'm a serious graphic artist I already have a big ol' computer with lots of RAM, lots and lots of disk, a fast network connection and ports out the wazoo. It would be my main machine, and it probably has that Wacom tablet that everyone loves so much. I'm not sure what an SP4 adds to that configuration. I'm not going to move my entire workflow to a smaller, less capable computer. So...who's the target audience for the SP4?

Same question came up when Apple introduced the Macbook Air. It was ridiculed as a too-small, too-expensive port-limited laptop computer. But now, it's the machine I see most frequently around the office that isn't the stock standard-issue Lenovo workhorse. So, who was the target audience for the Macbook Air? I still don't know, but they sure seem to be popular around here.

And the iPad Pro? It lets me do something I couldn't do before, which is to allow me to capture handwritten notes and drawings. I can leave them where they are (eliminating a pile of paper in the process) or integrate the notes or drawings into documents or presentations right on the iPad, or toss them onto my NAS and integrate them into a document on my "real computer." Yes, the SP4 could do the same thing. But I'm not really looking for yet another computer - I'm looking for something closer to a peripheral device that can integrate pictures and drawings, sketches, handwritten notes and other media in a simple, cognitively accessible way.

So maybe there's your answer: the iPad Pro is for (at least) two audiences. You identified one: the crowd that wants a bigger media consumption experience than they can get with a ten-ish inch tablet. The second are those of us who want an adjunct to our workflow to do something we couldn't previously do.

 

[emembee]

Honestly, I don't know who the target audience for the iPad Pro is...but I could say the same thing about the Macbook Air, the Surface Pro or the Surface Book.

And the iPad Pro? It lets me do something I couldn't do before, which is to allow me to capture handwritten notes and drawing.

Let's hope the pencil gives good handwritten response then and there are good apps for it. Using OneNote is poor (unlike apparently the Surface), Penultimate is much more fluid but not well featured. Looking forward to trying in store with a decent pencil app or equivalent, else I won't be interested till the apps are there!

 

[richardmu]

Been reading MR for years, but had to finally sign up so I could say that this is one of the most honest posts I've read in a while. Kudos to you Daniel, you've nailed it. As ugly as it sounds, as much as people say or wish it wasn't true, at the end of the day greed and money talk.

Apple doesn't care one bit about anyone. The days of true innovation for the sake of innovation is gone. It's all about profits. Apple would sell icecream to eskimos if they could see a large profit. And for those that say the iPad Pro will be a failure, that's just jealousy talking. It will sell, and they will have updated models next year just like all the other iPads.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.. They're all the same and we're just sheeple in a big hamster wheel.

P.S. I don't have any stocks in any company. So I'm like most of you other chumps. Working hard, and paying what it costs. Oh well...

I have loved and owned many Apple products since I first bought the
beautiful angle-poise lamp style iMac. I still buy whatever they launch
that I take a fancy to, lately the Apple Watch and iPhone to drive it then
the ATV4. Love them all and will no doubt buy the IPP to try. Price is never really an issue, I accept that you pay a premium for these products. Who buys a Mercedes, BMW or Audi if they are price driven. Buy a Kia instead!

 

[daniel1948]

Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.. They're all the same and we're just sheeple in a big hamster wheel.

P.S. I don't have any stocks in any company. So I'm like most of you other chumps. Working hard, and paying what it costs. Oh well...

I think it's a bit extreme to say we're all sheeple. If you understand that their purpose is to make money, you can decide whether or not to give them your money, in return for their products. I love gadgets, and Apple makes some very good gadgets. They price them high, in return for good design and high quality and reliability. Anyone who disagrees with the last clause of that sentence is free to not buy them. None of their products is a necessity, and there are competing companies with products that offer the same sort of functionality. I like my iPad Air 1 and my iPod Touch, but I do not have a smartphone or a smartwatch. I like my flip phone. I call it my stupidphone.

Actually Peter drucker 101. Greed doesn't bring in the $$$ or else everyone that were greedy would be rich.

Greed alone isn't enough to make you rich. You have to have skills as well, and a measure of luck and connections. We're all greedy. Most of us do not have the skills, luck, and connections to fulfill the potentials of our greed.

so to whom ipad pro is targeted?

I think part of the brilliance of Apple is that its target for the iPad Pro is not just one single segment. Some business people will want it for work; artists will want it for its pen and larger drawing surface; graphic designers will want it for the same reason as artists; some ordinary folks with a thousand bucks to burn will want it for media consumption due to its larger size; a few gadget enthusiasts will want it just for being the newest, best tablet. A few people who mainly want a tablet but who also want to be able to type at a desk on a keyboard will want it if they've got the bucks to burn.

 

[I7guy]

I think it's a bit extreme to say we're all sheeple. If you understand that their purpose is to make money, you can decide whether or not to give them your money, in return for their products. I love gadgets, and Apple makes some very good gadgets. They price them high, in return for good design and high quality and reliability. Anyone who disagrees with the last clause of that sentence is free to not buy them. None of their products is a necessity, and there are competing companies with products that offer the same sort of functionality. I like my iPad Air 1 and my iPod Touch, but I do not have a smartphone or a smartwatch. I like my flip phone. I call it my stupidphone.



Greed alone isn't enough to make you rich. You have to have skills as well, and a measure of luck and connections. We're all greedy. Most of us do not have the skills, luck, and connections to fulfill the potentials of our greed.



I think part of the brilliance of Apple is that its target for the iPad Pro is not just one single segment. Some business people will want it for work; artists will want it for its pen and larger drawing surface; graphic designers will want it for the same reason as artists; some ordinary folks with a thousand bucks to burn will want it for media consumption due to its larger size; a few gadget enthusiasts will want it just for being the newest, best tablet. A few people who mainly want a tablet but who also want to be able to type at a desk on a keyboard will want it if they've got the bucks to burn.

We're not all greedy. I give away my services when I could easily charge top dollar. However, on this topic there is a quid pro quo with regard to buying items you decide if it's worth it. While We all know this is not going to sell like the iPhone only Apple can decide if it's a failure. Although I'm sure the arm chair CEOs will be declaring their version of the launch.

 

[Krevnik]

Let's hope the pencil gives good handwritten response then and there are good apps for it. Using OneNote is poor (unlike apparently the Surface), Penultimate is much more fluid but not well featured. Looking forward to trying in store with a decent pencil app or equivalent, else I won't be interested till the apps are there!

Right now for me, Paper is kinda the killer app in this area. It's still building out the feature set, but it's in-app tools are excellent for being able to write and diagram, especially with the last couple updates. Since Apple's been pushing them on the Pro pages, I'm hoping they are ready on day one or close to it.

I'm curious though, what's the issue with OneNote? I haven't used it much (it's a bit too "forceful" with organization for me), so I'm not sure what folks don't like about it when using a stylus.

 

[richardmu]

I think it's a bit extreme to say we're all sheeple. If you understand that their purpose is to make money, you can decide whether or not to give them your money, in return for their products. I love gadgets, and Apple makes some very good gadgets. They price them high, in return for good design and high quality and reliability. Anyone who disagrees with the last clause of that sentence is free to not buy them. None of their products is a necessity, and there are competing companies with products that offer the same sort of functionality. I like my iPad Air 1 and my iPod Touch, but I do not have a smartphone or a smartwatch. I like my flip phone. I call it my stupidphone.



Greed alone isn't enough to make you rich. You have to have skills as well, and a measure of luck and connections. We're all greedy. Most of us do not have the skills, luck, and connections to fulfill the potentials of our greed.



I think part of the brilliance of Apple is that its target for the iPad Pro is not just one single segment. Some business people will want it for work; artists will want it for its pen and larger drawing surface; graphic designers will want it for the same reason as artists; some ordinary folks with a thousand bucks to burn will want it for media consumption due to its larger size; a few gadget enthusiasts will want it just for being the newest, best tablet. A few people who mainly want a tablet but who also want to be able to type at a desk on a keyboard will want it if they've got the bucks to burn.

Totally agree. I bought a new Mac Pro to replace my perfectly adequate Mac mini. Just fancied one. Beautiful piece of kit. It smokes compared to the mini. However, do little more on it than on my iPad so looking to see if the IPP could possibly replace the desktop Mac. Probably not but fun to try!