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While this looks amazing, the OS still really limits what the device can do. Yes the device itself is new and has some new hardware features, but it's still limited by the OS itself. I want a new iPad, but I constantly remind myself, what would this new iPad do that my current one can't? Yes it might be a little bit faster, a brighter screen.. but in all reality, when it comes to day to day use.. what are these new models really doing that any of the (current or past) pro models/air can't currently do?

Agreed. So when does iPadOS usually get updated? If this new iPad Pro is early 2020, maybe an updated OS at WWDC21?
 
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No. They will have iPadOS
I’m really starting to like driving a monitor with my 2018 12.9” iPad Pro (with the exception of the black borders). I just wish the next version of iOS would fully embrace my multi-button Logitech MX Mouse 3.

Now with rumors of a 2021 iPad Pro I’m wondering if I should skip my initial plan to get an ARM Apple laptop if Apple even further narrows the difference between laptops and tablets?

My real problem is I’d like a 2020 ARM laptop as well and the 2021 iPad Pro 😁
 
Understood but more interesting will be MiniLED Macbook/s and more more interesting will be MICROLED based Apple products.
 
I want an iPad Pro mini with Mini-LED.
I’d take it with or w/o mini-LED. But it seems like a really niche market, so I’m not sure Apple would ever make it. A lot of mini buyers are commercial (retail/POS/flight attendants, doctors/Medical office/hospital, private aviation/boating, etc. and they just don’t need mini-LED, FaceID, extra cameras, LiDAR, etc.

What they really want is the same old form factor so they can continue using the same sleds and accessories they’ve invested millions in.

I love my mini though, and I’ve always thought a mini Pro would be awesome. But just a real small market im afraid ☹️
 
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Nice. I love the iPad Air 4. It's a great machine so far. Will give it to my husband and I can write books on the new pro. Can't wait to ditch my MacBook Pro when I graduate. Too cumbersome and prone to accidents - yes, I take ownership of this ;)
 
An updated OS at WWDC is a given. That happens like clock work every year.
there have been other big updates. iPadOS 13.4 this year was a big update.


I like my 11” pro but yeah the lack of mentions means the Air 4 is probably the new form factor for that.
It’s too bad because I like this form factor a lot. The 12.9 is a bit too big for me.

That said, I doubt I‘ll be happy downgrading to an iPad Air without promotion and quad speakers after being used to it now
 
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I’d take it with or w/o mini-LED. But it seems like a really niche market, so I’m not sure Apple would ever make it.
Kuo is predicting a new iPad mini w / mini-LED screen in 2021, so we'll see. I'm definitely crossing my fingers.
 
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Can't wait to see it. My 2018 11" iPad Pro is getting a little old.

I hope the new one comes with more memory standard. I went with the base 64 GB last time and am running out of room.
 
I like my 11” pro but yeah the lack of mentions means the Air 4 is probably the new form factor for that.
I wouldn't bank on that. This reliable has mentioned that the iPad Pro will come in two sizes. So unless Apple is deciding to make a model bigger than 12.9", it's safe to assume the current 11" & 12.9" size will remain. There's enough features to for the 11" Pro to differentiate itself from the iPad Air


 
Provides local dimming capability at a lower price for tablet sized screens + eliminates possibility of burn-in. Burn-in comes into play for the iPad because it would be expected to be used for longer periods of time and would be more likely to be used with apps that have a lot of static display items similar to laptops, like tool bars and menu bars etc.
LCD is great tech, OLED isn’t ideal for all or even most applications as you mention.

When local dimming is referenced, I’ve heard it’s in the neighborhood of 10,000 zones. It’s pretty high density, maybe every 2.5 mm or so you have a tiny LED... Not a few hundred or a thousand like some of the 65”TVs from a couple years ago. (Some brands are using a larger number of local dimming zones last I looked.)
 
is miniLED a stop gap for microLED?

Kind of. MicroLED is still years away from general commercial applications (especially at small consumer panel sizes) so MiniLED offers advantages over LED without the compromises of OLED.

Why do I have these sad feeling that the 2021 Pro with miniLED will be 12.9" only, and no more 11"...

I believe Apple will offer a smaller iPad Pro than 12.9". Perhaps it will be 11.2" or 11.5" or it could remain at 11" with additional features to separate it from the 10.8" iPad Air.


Is mini LED and micro LED same thing or is mini LED more of a matrix of localized backlighting?

MicroLED is an emissive technology - so each pixel generates it's own light (as is the case with OLED). MiniLED is backlit like traditional LED, but with more localized backlighting.


Mini-LED is a real product. Micro-LED is vapourware.

MicroLED exists and even in commercial applications, but it's very expensive and currently sized for massive displays (like 100 or more inches) with six figure price tags.


The Air went from $499 to $599, I could see the Pros getting a $100 bump as well. So $899/$1,099.

I agree the smaller iPad Pro will see a price bump of $50-100. Not sure about the 12.9" as it's pricing is the same as a base MacBook Air. If the Air goes ASi at the same price points, then a 128GB iPad Pro with a Magic Keyboard could be as much as a 512GB ASi iPad Air. If Apple then adds another $100 on top of that for the IPP...
 
LCD is great tech, OLED isn’t ideal for all or even most applications as you mention.

When local dimming is referenced, I’ve heard it’s in the neighborhood of 10,000 zones. It’s pretty high density, maybe every 2.5 mm or so you have a tiny LED... Not a few hundred or a thousand like some of the 65”TVs from a couple years ago. (Some brands are using a larger number of local dimming zones last I looked.)
Anecdotal but... I have been using Samsung tablets with OLED screens for many years now. I am on my third tablet with OLED screen, none of them had any burn-in issues.
 
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D’oh that’s true! But is it a Pro? Kuo’s predicted a lot of mini-LED products (and he’s probably right about all of them.)
He's saying it will have the same form factor, at the least. Whether it has all of the exact same features as the Pro remains to be seen. As far as the Soc goes, I think it'll be powered by the A14, not A14X.
 
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Kuo is predicting a new iPad mini w / mini-LED screen in 2021, so we'll see. I'm definitely crossing my fingers.

D’oh that’s true! But is it a Pro? Kuo’s predicted a lot of mini-LED products (and he’s probably right about all of them.)

I think all of Apple's products will migrate to MiniLED (sans the iPhone and Apple Watch, which will stay on OLED).

As for an iPad Mini Pro, I honestly don't think there is enough of a market. It seems the bulk of them go to industrial / commercial where they are used as electronic checklists / interfaces / references to replace previously paper ones so storage capacity is likely what matters, not raw CPU/GPU performance.

Note the smallest iPad Pro has grown progressively larger - 9.7" to 10.5" and now 11".
 
I'll get one of these. But I refuse to go ARM on the Mac
Big mistake to ditch Intel and AMD. They have years of experience designing Processors. APPLE makes errors. lots just look at macOS beta's.

You can write buggy software regardless of the processor architecture it's running on. The two are unrelated. The flip side is: what if having to support the same core code on multiple processor architectures causes some of these issues, and uniting all their platforms on ARM eventually improves software quality?
 
While this looks amazing, the OS still really limits what the device can do. Yes the device itself is new and has some new hardware features, but it's still limited by the OS itself. I want a new iPad, but I constantly remind myself, what would this new iPad do that my current one can't? Yes it might be a little bit faster, a brighter screen.. but in all reality, when it comes to day to day use.. what are these new models really doing that any of the (current or past) pro models/air can't currently do?
I have the first gen 12.9 Pro, and one of the best things about it is the sound (and it’s improved since). People can’t believe the sound they hear from it sometimes. For the size of the enclosure it’s pretty amazing.

Like my 6s, I’ve gotten my money’s worth. When the new 14X/5G/miniLED 12.9” Pro is released, whether that’s Feb or July, I’m in 🙂
 
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Its fine, if its dead to you then move on. In your post I see tons of misconception and lack of understanding but you don't come across as someone who wants to be open minded. So, I won't waste my time trying to explain to you where you lack more information.

AS is a big deal and it will help Apple massively. (and the market for that matter)
You can say all you want but eventually you will probably be back.

In the meantime, do buy Lenovo :D :D :D


Its almost like when one type of hardware dominates the market, more people put effort into finding flaws in it.

No one is hunting for flaws in old Cyrix processors, for example.

All going to ARM is doing is isolating Mac’s and their pathetically small market share from the rest of the computing world. Most of us can live with a few things not supporting Mac, because we can easily dual boot, but it’s about to get 1000x worse.

Mac’s are dead to me. I already have to dual boot to use any engineering software, now I just outright won’t be able to. Not worth the hassle, I’ll buy a Lenovo or something.
 
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