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Flash = baaaad
Flash is a useless CPU HOG.
Besides of Videos it is completely useless, web sites which rely on Flash to deliver the actual CONTENT other then video belong into oblivion.
I have installed the Flash filter in FireFox and do not really miss out anyting, only the browser runs faster and longer without crashing.
So, as an exception, I fully support Apple on this.
Flash is a useless CPU HOG.
Besides of Videos it is completely useless, web sites which rely on Flash to deliver the actual CONTENT other then video belong into oblivion.
I have installed the Flash filter in FireFox and do not really miss out anyting, only the browser runs faster and longer without crashing.
So, as an exception, I fully support Apple on this.
Sigh....
Did everyone skip my previous long post? I'll say it one more time: ADOBE CS5 FLASH APPLICATION EXPORTS FXG, RENDERS ON HTML5 CANVAS, PLUGIN FREE.
And yes it supports animation. Best of both worlds. Stop hating each other. Web designers no need to worry.
Did everyone skip my previous long post? I'll say it one more time: ADOBE CS5 FLASH APPLICATION EXPORTS FXG, RENDERS ON HTML5 CANVAS, PLUGIN FREE.
And yes it supports animation. Best of both worlds. Stop hating each other. Web designers no need to worry.
Oh PLEASE!! every one knows what a flop the iPhone has been for Apple and the lengths they go to to ever mentioning it.
Its like Apple just can't help shooting themselves in the foot by not conforming to the naysayers' demands.
Truth.
This is also truth. Apple is going out of their way to make sure Adobe can't get in a quick fix, though. And that is pretty crappy. Why should Adobe spend so much dev time on such a small percentage of their user base- especially if Apple is hostile towards them? It sounds like both companies could grow up a little.
I have to say I think Adobe's entire creative suite runs like crap on my Mac Pro dual quad core Xeon at work. It's snappier on my Mac Book Pro running boot camp at home.
Sorry, that's just plain wrong. Flash was never intended for delivery of video or audio content. The youtube version without Flash delivers superior video quality, and much better audio. Adobe have stated that flash is not the best delivery tool for video/audio, which is why CS5 publishing for web removes the 'flash' component from playback.
Form uploads are best done under AJAX, and can be standards compliant and more secure at the same time.
I have flash on my android smartphone - it doesn't work, and when it does work it's so slow/jerky that it's laughable. And this is the brand new Google device. The iPhone is the biggest mobile platform on the planet, time for software companies, including Adobe, including Apple to deliver technology for the new decade.
The answer is not flash being tinkered with, it's about finding a new way, and doing it quickly.
No. A little blue brick is a relatively minor pain, especially when its usually an ad
Well that's something that will have to be addressed in general, because every other significant smartphone plaform will have Flash in the near future:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3842291
Neither of those is marketed as "The best way to experience the web" though, and anyway the target audience for the iPad was supposed to be different to the iPhone. Besides, how do you know it doesn't put some people off? It may have sold even better with Flash. I doubt it, because it's not really an issue on a small screen and people accept compromises. Less so on a larger screen perhaps.
I actually think it might be worse for the average new user rather than tech forum users. People keep saying iPad is aimed at less technical people. They won't be impressed if their favourite site doesn't work on the "magical and revolutionary" iPad. I doubt they will blame anyone but Apple for that. Also, they may not even realise they are using Flash websites. If they are sharing a computer, or clicked on the install plugin in a browser years ago when it said it needed it, they might be in for a surprise with the iPad, and it may get returned.
Do you mean just like every single food ad you see on TV for a product, or the picture on the front of every box on the shelf of "serving suggestion" for boxed dinners?
OIC - how is that software going to detect when i want to rollover, and when i want to click?
So, as you've highlighted, no smartphone or touch screen portable device along the lines of the iPad runs the full version of flash - so why are Apple getting all the stick?
Adobe makes this software, not Apple. Go shout at them maybe?
The way I see Adobe have two options.
1. Step up the table and make this software work on touchscreen devices.
2. Opensource Flash and let others do it.
The problem is not Adobe, it's Apple. 3rd party plugins running in Safari aren't given hardware access like they are on Windows.
Not overly bothered either way about flash support, but it's not cool to deliberately doctor the screen images like this.
It's misrepresentation, pure and simple. There are millions of web pages that do not use flash, so why go to the trouble of doctoring one that does for your ads? Not cool.
Unless, of course, those images were captured on a device using 4.0
It's misrepresentation, pure and simple. There are millions of web pages that do not use flash, so why go to the trouble of doctoring one that does for your ads? Not cool.
Unless, of course, those images were captured on a device using 4.0
I see your logic - but people won't complain to Adobe - they will complain to Apple, this would destroy their reputation, and that of the 'Pad and iPhone. People are already complaining at the lack of flash support and blaming Apple, when clearly it is NOT an Apple issue.
Not overly bothered either way about flash support, but it's not cool to deliberately doctor the screen images like this.
It's misrepresentation, pure and simple. There are millions of web pages that do not use flash, so why go to the trouble of doctoring one that does for your ads? Not cool.
Unless, of course, those images were captured on a device using 4.0
marketing making false claims, this surely cannot be the first time, or can it. So how come every plug in from silverlight to flip4mac can work efficiently, in a stable, secure fashion?
Here is how I feel about Flash:
There is no REAL reason for it on a mobile device. There are alternatives, and web developers are just going to have to add it to their sites. I specifically don't put Flash on my site because I know some people won't be able to see it. Apple is just trying to force these said developers to change as well. HTML5 is a good alternative to Flash-based sites. I am sure there will be more advances in HTML5 to make it compete better with Flash.
I have not missed Flash since I using an iPhone.
There is no REAL reason for it on a mobile device. There are alternatives, and web developers are just going to have to add it to their sites. I specifically don't put Flash on my site because I know some people won't be able to see it. Apple is just trying to force these said developers to change as well. HTML5 is a good alternative to Flash-based sites. I am sure there will be more advances in HTML5 to make it compete better with Flash.
I have not missed Flash since I using an iPhone.
ummm wake up folks....
If you watch the video of Stevie showing the web page, he goes out of his way to pause on screens that show the dead flash icon. He is no fool. He comments over and over again about this being the best experience on the web, and goes out of his way to show that flash is not part of that experience.
Flash is known to be a processor hog (i.e. battery killer), and apple is known to be forward thinking. Apple is looking beyond flash.
For those of you that cry foul, or refuse to buy this thing because you can't play crappy flash games or see a small percentage of sites that depend on flash to operate, I have a floppy disk you might want to buy.
Regarding the big controversy about apple showing a webpage that you know to have flash, only geeks would know this first hand. To the rest of us, it just looked like a nice web page.
Flash is in trouble in general. The world is ready to move beyond it. It was cute for a while though.
If you watch the video of Stevie showing the web page, he goes out of his way to pause on screens that show the dead flash icon. He is no fool. He comments over and over again about this being the best experience on the web, and goes out of his way to show that flash is not part of that experience.
Flash is known to be a processor hog (i.e. battery killer), and apple is known to be forward thinking. Apple is looking beyond flash.
For those of you that cry foul, or refuse to buy this thing because you can't play crappy flash games or see a small percentage of sites that depend on flash to operate, I have a floppy disk you might want to buy.
Regarding the big controversy about apple showing a webpage that you know to have flash, only geeks would know this first hand. To the rest of us, it just looked like a nice web page.
Flash is in trouble in general. The world is ready to move beyond it. It was cute for a while though.
For us techies, this all makes sense and we have been aware of Flash's resources for a very long time.
However, that doesn't negate that virtually all websites use Flash...especially when it comes to multimedia/video/animation/advertisement presentation. Period. This isn't 1995 with HTML 2.0.
Remember, this is a "magical" device that Apple created and is clearly aimed at the very very novice user. It's not very magical if it can't open 80% of the world's web pages correctly...or at LEAST the news websites that Apple is pushing hard (NYT for example)....not to mention the hugely popular sites like Youtube, Facebook, MLB.com, and ESPN to name a few.
I don't particulary like Flash...and even more so I hate the websites that nag me every 6 months to upgrade to a new Flash version because they decided to code with it. Flash, to me, is very reminiscent of the Real Audio player/technology crap that is pretty much long gone now...RA was always forcing you to re-download something.
Yes
Sort of.I doubt you’ll be able to span across 2 displays so you iPad adds extra window space, but you CAN view a duplicate of your Mac screen (no matter how large or what shape—scaled down). You can mouse around with a visible pointer (the whole glass is a trackpad) or you can directly touch-and-click (less precise). You can drag, you can two-finger right-click, and you can swipe with two fingers for the scroll wheel. Pinch to make the real Mac screen zoom in and out, which is awesome for couch computing. And bring up a soft keyboard when needed, complete with Command, Ctrl, Page Up, Esc etc. Plus this works with Windows too if needed.
The catch: this is not a built-in app. You must download a VNC (a.k.a. “screen sharing”) app. The one I described is Jaadu VNC, and I love it on my iPhone!
And it’s not just for when you’re sitting in the same room as your Mac—you can set it up (with careful security) to operate your Mac remotely (albeit slowly and with no sound) from anywhere in the world. This access to my Mac has been great in emergencies from time to time.
I even use my iPhone on the desk like a mouse when I’ve left my BT mouse in my bag. I set the iPhone next to my Mac and it makes a great external trackpad (and you can turn off the screen display to save power).
I can’t wait to use Jaadu on an iPad—whether on my own couch or at a hotspot. I can go to a meeting without my MacBook, but if it turns out I need a certain file... or need to view a Flash site!... I just VNC to my Mac back home. And unlike with my iPhone, I’ll be able to see the whole screen without too much zooming around.
And I could use it somewhat like a Wacom display tablet. No pressure sensitivity, but still a nice way to do simple sketching in Photoshop, if you don’t go too fast.
(For best results, set the Mac to a small size—even 1024x768—because that makes the images transmit faster. They’re super-sharp, not like normal video, so there can be a delay/slowdown when anything big changes, like dragging a big window. But only remotely. When you’re in the same room as your Mac, everything’s pretty quick via VNC.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_PGV-5IC3c
There are other VNC apps (some free) but I think Jaadu is still the best. It offers very precise mouse control and lots of options.
Well there goes the
claim, "It just works." You are correct indeed, people will not care if company X, Y or Z makes the product, they care if it works as claimed by
. This is why Adobe wants to work with to get it working and right. Or are we all being duped by Adobe.Flash is here to stay, for the foreseeable future. Just like advertising is here to stay. Whether the pimply crowd likes it or not.
Flash has virtually 100% penetration, which can be said of very few web technologies.
Apple was able to get away without Flash on the iPhone, only because it served as a phone first, iPod and Photo-viewer second, and web-browser after that.
But the iPad will be bought by many to be used as a web browser. If it doesn't do Flash, it will become a joke very fast, since a large portion of the web is Flash.
It will be as bad, as if the new iMacs couldn't do Flash.
I am a die-hard Apple lover, but without Flash on the iPad, I'd be more likely to end up with one of the upcoming Android tablets.
Flash has virtually 100% penetration, which can be said of very few web technologies.
Apple was able to get away without Flash on the iPhone, only because it served as a phone first, iPod and Photo-viewer second, and web-browser after that.
But the iPad will be bought by many to be used as a web browser. If it doesn't do Flash, it will become a joke very fast, since a large portion of the web is Flash.
It will be as bad, as if the new iMacs couldn't do Flash.
I am a die-hard Apple lover, but without Flash on the iPad, I'd be more likely to end up with one of the upcoming Android tablets.
Great reference by PeterQVenkman. I'm not sure if that came from the post on the Adobe site or from Daring Fireball, but the Daring Fireball article is a good opinion piece.
http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
If Flash was available on the iPhone/iPad, many developers would build for that rather than using Cocoa touch. That would mean lost commissions for Apple. It also means that a primary component of the user experience was controlled by Adobe. As a customer, it's hard to sympathize with lost profits, but the second issue should be understandable. Having complete control over the perceived performance of your product is a very valid goal IMHO.
The distinction that many ignore is that most don't care if Flash is ever on the iPhone. What people want is the content that is now distributed through Flash. Note that Flash CS5 can be used to develop native applications, so that is already being addressed to some degree. Check this page:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/
http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
If Flash was available on the iPhone/iPad, many developers would build for that rather than using Cocoa touch. That would mean lost commissions for Apple. It also means that a primary component of the user experience was controlled by Adobe. As a customer, it's hard to sympathize with lost profits, but the second issue should be understandable. Having complete control over the perceived performance of your product is a very valid goal IMHO.
The distinction that many ignore is that most don't care if Flash is ever on the iPhone. What people want is the content that is now distributed through Flash. Note that Flash CS5 can be used to develop native applications, so that is already being addressed to some degree. Check this page:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/
Flash is in trouble. Well don't tell the millions of users of FaceBook. I hear those Flash games are addictive and have quite a following. But then again who need Flash or an iPad for the matter.
Are you an
employee or something, why do you care if flash ruins your web surfing experiences. The choice is up to the end user, I do not use flash, however if I wanted to use it for that one time use, I certainly do not want to be restricted. Flash has problem, so does life. Deal with it. And here I though that Microsoft was bad with restricting people to using its WMP and IE.There is a thing called restore your iPhone, iPod Touch and soon iPad, if you run into a problem, make sure you have a backup.