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my mom went to college in her 50's a few years ago and she was told to get a USB flash drive. took her a few minutes to figure out how to save to it. the lack of a USB port and crazy data sharing system that is being talked about is not going to go over well with college students.
what is so hard about a USB port so you an save your work to a USB flash drive and give it to someone?
Naturally, how else are we supposed to afford our shiny Macs, cheap suits and flash cars
My suit isn't cheap!
when the iphone first came out it allowed you to browse more of the internet than blackberries and other devices. now with Flash coming to every other mobile platform, and no plans for Apple devices it seems like step back
I think Apple will sell lots of iPads. Flash is not going to stop the majority of people from buying one. It may stop others... Apple is not stupid. I don't think they would release a product like this and invest so much time with it if they thought it wouldn't sell. But only time will tell. I can't wait to read reviews once the WiFi version are released. I myself am pre-ordering a 3G 16GB model.
Could it also be because they have not licensed the Adobe Flash Player for distribution? I may be mistaken in this case, but the licensing still shows that beyond some specific platforms a licensing fee is required for distribution. That seems to be the reason why folks had trouble getting updated Flash players on the Nokia tablet devices, and why the Wii browser was stuck at an older version of Flash for a while.
I would suppose at this point in the game Adobe would concede that position for a lesser piece of the pie a bit to stay in the game and to not appear as the bad guy. Maybe they would just get a spot on the app store with a custom browser with Flash player in it.
Then again, how would Apple maintain that limitation on emulators...
I believe the iPad will only be a gimmick/nische device and the lack of Flash will be a big reason. This is not a phone, but a web surfing device, apple wont get away with this one.
And ill take the current 232-60 negative vote as a good litmus test.
And ill take the current 232-60 negative vote as a good litmus test.
DUDE, why are you spreading half-truths?
No, the non Flash player version of YouTUbe does not deliver superior sound, nor video quality. It's the same stream. Is your computer MAGICAL, like the iPad? The HTML 5 version is intended for a lighter load with less features, since their Flash player is bloat. One of the clients I contract with has a Flash hater under his belt and that HTML mark-up-guy could not prove what you're claiming. It's complete BS. I think you guys just like the fact the video stream is outside of Flash and that provides a level of euphoria that tells your mind something is better, when it's actually not.
As for the video component being removed... Really? The current beta does not fully support component export, but it has not been removed. It's just not working right as of yet. CS5 even includes a newer FLVPlayback component.
Here, read for yourself, and PLEASE STOP SPREADING IGNORANCE;
http://cs5.org/?p=179
Before I ramble further, I do not use components. They're complete bloat. My video players are about 12 k and even before GPU acceleration I was always easy on the CPU during playback and of course they idle with next to no CPU usage.
You'll need Flash Player 10.1 on your smart phone, but that's not going to help poorly developed Flash content. Anyways, it will provide a better experience in the long run, but not for Flash haters of course.
OK, imagine a future when Flash is gone and the only way to turn off annoying adverts and bloat, is by disabling JS. Seriously, you guys don't think these things through. With Flash it's optional, it's a blockable plug-in. With other web techs that's really not the case. I really don't want that future. You guys can go on to develop in HTML 5 and enjoy features that FLash offered back in 2004, I'll move forward with my knowledge of HTML 5 and Flash via AS3.
I just need to jump in here to defend Flash. Yes I am a designer that works with Flash everybody. With that said that are many Flash designers in the world and it has been one of the biggest booms to the design industry. Most of the Macs that Apple sold were to Flash designers and other artists. If Flash died there would be a lot of talented people out of a job. Do not be so quick to wish the death of a technology that has been critical to a lot of people finding really good careers to support their families. Are all of you going to feed us if we are out of a job? Could any of you sleep at night knowing that so many people are unemployed just so Flash wouldn't eat up a few cpu cycles.
Flash is a web standard because it is in common use. Maybe it is not an official standard but if it is in common use that makes it an unofficial standard. Even Shockwave is a standard because it is the #1 system for delivering web 3D content.
Flash also happens to work very well on PC systems. I have seen clients use Celeron single core laptops run Flash with flying colors. Those of you who don't know anybody that likes Flash clearly do not know any PC users. Since PC users still make up over 90% of the computer market it makes sense for companies to use a technology that works for them to advertise to the most people. All of our clients use Flash and they are super happy and their customers are super happy which is why we keep getting work. If Flash was really that bad do you think as many companies would use it for marketing which costs them a lot of money.
Flash is a development tool and language while HTML is a scripting language. HTML will always have limits because it is not a programming language. HTML 5 is adding a lot of nice features and I know I will use it but how long before it has 99% market penetration like Flash does? It is much easier to get people to install a Flash plugin then it is to tell them to install a new internet browser on company systems. Their IT departments will fight you every step of the way.
Full screen video with HTML 5? nope not right now. So what exactly is the point to HD video streaming if you have to view it in a small window? Why is everybody praising a primitive method of viewing video just because it is cheap and easy to produce? If Flash had these limitations people would be bashing it left and right. Wake me up about HTML 5 video when it can actually do everything Flash video can do. Personally in terms of the PC world I don't see any big difference between HTML 5 video tags and the capabilities of borderless windows media embedded in HTML.. It pretty much functions exactly the same except WMV can play fullscreen.
What about Silverlight or Unity3D support or Shockwave? There are many other web technologies out there that Apple is ignoring. Can HTML 5 do 3D? Not supporting everything the web has to offer does not create the ultimate web experience. Making the web open also means supporting commercial content even if it isn't free to create. As a commercial designer I want my code to be as private as possible. Shouldn't it be my right to protect my hard work?
Finally I use a Mac and Flash works great on my system. Maybe I'm doing something special but I doubt it. It all goes back to this is a application running not a web script. Of course it is going to use more cpu cycles. So would running a game on your system. The next natural step of the web is animation and a deep level of interaction. I agree that Flash could be better and many of us designers are constantly pushing Adobe to make it run smoother. The largest number of Flash designers use a Mac so it must run at least half way decent for those people. Personally I would rather push the limits of what the web can do and be on the cutting edge to create experiences that are interesting to people. Shockwave was a much better system in terms of performance and it used to run great on even a G3 computer. Hopefully Adobe can bring Flash to that point in the future. We will continue to fight for performance but please do not wish all of us out of a job. There is a lot more at stake if Flash dies then just your system performance. I can tell you right now as a designer and developer that HTML 5 would not allow me to create 1/10th of the complex content I have created for my clients in the past. Photographers and corporate clients want to protect their content as much as possible and until Web browsers stop showing a direct link to the code and content it will not kill Flash.
One last point. The ironic thing about HTML 5 supporters is that they want the web to be open and out of the hands of one big company but isn't that exactly what Apple is doing with the Ap store and their OS? They are creating an environment that is much more tightly controlled then anything Adobe is doing. After all Adobe doesn't charge for the Flash player. In fact Flash is free to pretty much everybody except those that want to create it. You can run it on Windows, Mac or Linux. Try that with the Ap store concept. I fail to see how creating a more closed hardware system is making the web more open. If you are going to take aim at a company for proprietary software then please apply those same standards to every company in their pursuit of ultra closed systems. Part of an open system should give me the choice to publish a Ap, shockwave or Flash application if I so choose.
Flash is a web standard because it is in common use. Maybe it is not an official standard but if it is in common use that makes it an unofficial standard. Even Shockwave is a standard because it is the #1 system for delivering web 3D content.
Flash also happens to work very well on PC systems. I have seen clients use Celeron single core laptops run Flash with flying colors. Those of you who don't know anybody that likes Flash clearly do not know any PC users. Since PC users still make up over 90% of the computer market it makes sense for companies to use a technology that works for them to advertise to the most people. All of our clients use Flash and they are super happy and their customers are super happy which is why we keep getting work. If Flash was really that bad do you think as many companies would use it for marketing which costs them a lot of money.
Flash is a development tool and language while HTML is a scripting language. HTML will always have limits because it is not a programming language. HTML 5 is adding a lot of nice features and I know I will use it but how long before it has 99% market penetration like Flash does? It is much easier to get people to install a Flash plugin then it is to tell them to install a new internet browser on company systems. Their IT departments will fight you every step of the way.
Full screen video with HTML 5? nope not right now. So what exactly is the point to HD video streaming if you have to view it in a small window? Why is everybody praising a primitive method of viewing video just because it is cheap and easy to produce? If Flash had these limitations people would be bashing it left and right. Wake me up about HTML 5 video when it can actually do everything Flash video can do. Personally in terms of the PC world I don't see any big difference between HTML 5 video tags and the capabilities of borderless windows media embedded in HTML.. It pretty much functions exactly the same except WMV can play fullscreen.
What about Silverlight or Unity3D support or Shockwave? There are many other web technologies out there that Apple is ignoring. Can HTML 5 do 3D? Not supporting everything the web has to offer does not create the ultimate web experience. Making the web open also means supporting commercial content even if it isn't free to create. As a commercial designer I want my code to be as private as possible. Shouldn't it be my right to protect my hard work?
Finally I use a Mac and Flash works great on my system. Maybe I'm doing something special but I doubt it. It all goes back to this is a application running not a web script. Of course it is going to use more cpu cycles. So would running a game on your system. The next natural step of the web is animation and a deep level of interaction. I agree that Flash could be better and many of us designers are constantly pushing Adobe to make it run smoother. The largest number of Flash designers use a Mac so it must run at least half way decent for those people. Personally I would rather push the limits of what the web can do and be on the cutting edge to create experiences that are interesting to people. Shockwave was a much better system in terms of performance and it used to run great on even a G3 computer. Hopefully Adobe can bring Flash to that point in the future. We will continue to fight for performance but please do not wish all of us out of a job. There is a lot more at stake if Flash dies then just your system performance. I can tell you right now as a designer and developer that HTML 5 would not allow me to create 1/10th of the complex content I have created for my clients in the past. Photographers and corporate clients want to protect their content as much as possible and until Web browsers stop showing a direct link to the code and content it will not kill Flash.
One last point. The ironic thing about HTML 5 supporters is that they want the web to be open and out of the hands of one big company but isn't that exactly what Apple is doing with the Ap store and their OS? They are creating an environment that is much more tightly controlled then anything Adobe is doing. After all Adobe doesn't charge for the Flash player. In fact Flash is free to pretty much everybody except those that want to create it. You can run it on Windows, Mac or Linux. Try that with the Ap store concept. I fail to see how creating a more closed hardware system is making the web more open. If you are going to take aim at a company for proprietary software then please apply those same standards to every company in their pursuit of ultra closed systems. Part of an open system should give me the choice to publish a Ap, shockwave or Flash application if I so choose.
At least read the specs - there is a USB attachment for this thing. Why is wireless file sharing 'crazy' - it's what most of us now do on a daily basis.
LMAO. The H264 stream is the same as the flv stream? You have no idea what you're talking about - run them side by side, the difference in quality is immediately apparent from playback to scrubbing through the streamed content.
Most flash content is poorly developed, or irrelevant/unnecessary. Therein lies the majority of the problem.
Did it ever occur to you that the ipad flash plugin can be coded to transmit single finger as mouseover and 2 fingers as a click? You'd use one finger within the flash window as mouseover, and when you want to click you'd tap your middle finger on the screen while still keeping your index finger on? This should be very easy to code and intuitive to use as well. I use it when running scummvm and full throttle on my iphone.
I take your point and I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. To my mind, Flash has the most potential and usefulness of them all - instead of running from it Apple should buy it
Take your Prozac and calm down. Breath. Everything's gonna be alright.
It's clear that there is no real easy answer to this problem, and I say problem because no one company should have this much control over a web standard (which I think many of you will agree with me). And that's where the heart of the issue is: so much content is already built on Flash, it's almost difficult not to support it.
And the only real way to fight that is by not supporting it, which is VERY risky in today's world. Apple, being the company they are, can get away with this. Some random company, like HTC for example, would have a much harder time. I, too, am torn by this because on the one hand it would be great to just stop supporting it altogether and finally start chipping away at the problem, but on the other hand I also would like to have access to all the content that the Internet has to offer on my iPhone/iPad/whatever.
So the iPad is such a revolution, that all sites should now conform to its limitations? That's just being silly.
If the developer cares to rework, or develop for the iPad, or any touch-screen device, Flash Player 10.1 fully supports multi-touch. And no, it's not a ton of extra work modify how something listens for the mouse, it's actually really simple, REALLY REALLY SIMPLE.
Who really want's a large iPod Touch with the same limitations? I don't, so what's this market you're talking about?
The vocal minority.
Seriously, it's Mac Flash haters that are a minority. Really, you need to get out more. PC only peeps don't share this Flash hate that stemmed from Job's announcement about the iPhone not support it.Anyways, read here and learn;
http://theflashblog.com/?p=1678
I find it utterly ridiculous that developers have to write server side code to deal with what's really a client side problem—progress bars. There's a reason why sites like Google, Flickr, and YouTube all use Flash for this purpose. It's the user experience. Developers have complained pretty loudly to the w3c about this and and the w3c did nothing. You can barely style the form input element as well too. So, sadly, Flash remains better in that department as well. I don't know how ajax makes anything "more secure" since https is a server issue.
I have to say I think Adobe's entire creative suite runs like crap on my Mac Pro dual quad core Xeon at work. It's snappier on my Mac Book Pro running boot camp at home.
Really i find that hard to believe i had the entire Adobe cs3 creative sweet on my 07 Macbook Pro and it didn't even bat an eye and I was using it in osx not boot camp.
Nope, all sites should confirm to standards, and application against modern devices, including touch screen. There are other manufacturers building mobile touch screen devices you know...
My google phone sucks at flash.
The apple sucks at flash play playback.
Somehow, I'm more inclined to look at the common factor rather than blame apple and google.
Yes I did. Thats option b) or c) that I listed. And its NOT intuitive if you have to learn it (simple thought the concept is) and then have to remember WHEN youre in Flash and when youre not, and which PART of the screen is in Flash.
This doesnt work at all, if you stop and think about it. Its a terrible experience. Its flash working BADLY instead of being missing. Its Flash not only working badly, but interfering with your habits that drive the whole rest of the device (and that would be true on ANY tablet):
How do you scroll a page that has Flash? Differently from other Web pages? When you swipe across a page to scroll, how does the tablet know whether you wanted to scroll or roll over? How do YOU the user know what parts of the page are Flash and play by different rules?
What happens when you tap a Flash button? Does it roll over (popping up the explanation text you needed) or does it click? If it doesnt click, then it works differently from all the other non-Flash buttons on the page. Again, how do you, the user, know what part of the screen plays by these special rules?
I completely disagree, this is about much more than 'progress bars'. If i was to develop a form under flash with no flash alternative, it would break accessibility legislation in Europe. I'd rather do the job once than do it twice.
A progress bar is fed from server side data and response/feedback. How is that a client side problem?
YOU DORK!
Flash has been able to encode H.264 and AAC into a FLV for about 1.5 years now. Boy are you out of touch. Flash introduced support with FP 10, which was released in 2008. This is WHY some video work in HTML 5 and others do not. DUHHHHHH! Nice generalized statement. It's quite ignorant to say the least, but I wouldn't expect anything less from a Flash Hater.
Encapsulate all flash windows with a special colored border, those rules only apply within the border, have a 1 minute demo tutorial to teach users how to browse the web on the ipad and you're done.
For your other issue:
1st finger touch <1s = click.
1st finger touch >1s or 1st finger move a certain distance within the first second = mouseover.
1st & 2nd finger touch = click.
iPlayer works just fine on the iPhone (has an iPhone-specific subsite) - no reason why it shouldn't work on the iPad as well.