True, but the reality is: Flash will always outplace HTML.
In fact, its in the interest of Adobe to keep Flash ahead of HTML 5 to ensure Flash isn't replaced.
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True, but the reality is: Flash will always outplace HTML.
In fact, its in the interest of Adobe to keep Flash ahead of HTML 5 to ensure Flash isn't replaced.
Yes, including the NY Times then, IIRC.
One of the more infamous Flash fakes was when Jobs navigated to the National Geographic site as a 3G vs EDGE speed test, and there was a static picture where either a Flash menu or a "download Flash" icon should've been.
What Apple seems to do for their demos, is to grab web pages, manipulate them to look good, and store them in local servers for Jobs to access.
(According to their docs, they do the same thing when testing for battery life.)
My personal favorite Jobs sleight-of-hand was at the iPhone debut in Jan 2007, when Jobs cleverly avoided going to the Apple webpage, because it would've looked awful on the phone. He never went there onstage until the site was redone just before sales launch.
So much for the "real internet".
For those who say "what do you need Flash for anyway?" I can say this:
I'm a photographer, and most photographers build their websites in Flash. I myself did that because Flash is the only platform that allows such fluid animation interactivity. It is simple to program a website in Flash, and I'm not good at programming by the way, and I don't want to spend time learning it. However, I do want to build a complex and beautiful website alone, without having to pay someone. I can do this in Flash. I can't do it in HTML, or in any other language. Therefore, if I want to access many of the websites that interest me, including my own, I cannot do it on a device that doesn't have Flash. Not to mention that I love to watch Flash animations on various websites, that's also impossible. I don't really care about videos and YouTube, I actually want real Flash. I understand that keyboard input and mouse coordinates cannot be retrieved by Flash for a touchscreen device, but many things like button presses and text boxes have no reason not to work. I don't understand why it's so damn complicated, that no one has been able to make Flash work on the iPhone for so many years. I'm sure it's possible, it's only a matter of whether Apple wants to go on hating every other company and pretending they don't exist, and that users will never notice their absent support from Apple devices. Flash is an amazing technology and more an more websites are being built entirely in Flash.
I'm a photographer, and most photographers build their websites in Flash. I myself did that because Flash is the only platform that allows such fluid animation interactivity. It is simple to program a website in Flash, and I'm not good at programming by the way, and I don't want to spend time learning it. However, I do want to build a complex and beautiful website alone, without having to pay someone. I can do this in Flash. I can't do it in HTML, or in any other language. Therefore, if I want to access many of the websites that interest me, including my own, I cannot do it on a device that doesn't have Flash. Not to mention that I love to watch Flash animations on various websites, that's also impossible. I don't really care about videos and YouTube, I actually want real Flash. I understand that keyboard input and mouse coordinates cannot be retrieved by Flash for a touchscreen device, but many things like button presses and text boxes have no reason not to work. I don't understand why it's so damn complicated, that no one has been able to make Flash work on the iPhone for so many years. I'm sure it's possible, it's only a matter of whether Apple wants to go on hating every other company and pretending they don't exist, and that users will never notice their absent support from Apple devices. Flash is an amazing technology and more an more websites are being built entirely in Flash.
Is this argument about a flash in the pan web moment (experience) or a flush the pad down the pan movement?
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Want flash on a handheld? Buy one that supports it.
Don't want Flash? Get an iPad
If the iPad doesn't suit your needs there are alternatives out there that could.
As for the videos, I have no idea what has happened there!
Want flash on a handheld? Buy one that supports it.
Don't want Flash? Get an iPad
If the iPad doesn't suit your needs there are alternatives out there that could.
As for the videos, I have no idea what has happened there!
He's right. Flash is all over the web on many (most) brochure-ware pages.
You can't deny that without flash you can't see what many websites post. It is truly just a fact. And it's not just video. You may wish it to be different and it may change with HTML5 but as of today, this guy IS right.
If Apple has some performance concerns they could add a flashblocker-like feature like I use on my Firefox. Comes up blank, click on it, flash shows (with a setting to show flash always if you don't care about heat and battery life)
Until they FIX IT! It needs a camera (at least 1) and FLASH SUPPORT. I put up with lack of flash on my iphone, but it's unacceptable for this device. Apple and STEVE should be ashamed! Period! (pun intended).
Why should he be ashamed?
Many places of employment refuse entry of devices with camera and phone functionality. It would mean I couldn't use the iPad at work if it had a camera.
It's not a Web standard. It's poorly written proprietary software. And, it's not the best browsing experience ever. I haven't met anyone that likes Flash, they tolerate it. It served a purpose before, but I guarantee that the people you work with can create the exact same Web site with HTML and Javascript. That combination would be a Web standard, and would show up in any browser.
Flash is a proprietary technology and more an[d] more internet devices are being built that don't support it.
I agree. There are two options.
1.) He's messing with us.
2.) That was an unexpected crash of an alpha-version of the plug-in.
As a few others have commented, this is clearly false advertising by Apple. But then Mr Jobs and Apple have made false claims for many years.
If this was a MicroSoft product you'd all be calling them law breakers and everything else under the sun.
It seems it's one rule for Apple and another for everyone else.
If this was a MicroSoft product you'd all be calling them law breakers and everything else under the sun.
It seems it's one rule for Apple and another for everyone else.
Flash is to the internet as Internet Explorer was to the internet. Flash is NOT an internet standard any more than IE is, nor should either be since they are unilaterally controlled by one company. Substitute IE into any of the pro-Flash arguments and tell us how comfortable you feel. Anyone who cares about an open Internet, especially those not on a Windows platform should feel very nervous.
While I agree with your point and am really not happy with this situation, could you grow up? You're acting like a kid!
To provide stark contrast between the web version of the page and the app version.
Flash or No Flash
I get both sides of the argument... some think Flash is a scourge of the Internet, others see it as necessary. My objection to the iPad (and iPhone) is that Apple insists it knows best and gives you no way around the limitations without hacks (and Adobe, for example, ain't going to release Flash Player as a jailbreak app).
I'm very sympathetic to Apple with regard to the iTunes store and so on, but why can't they give developers and users a way to sideload apps on their own if they WANT to bypass the system?
If Apple wants to keep Flash out of the store, fine... but let Adobe put their own download on their own site and let users manually install it IF THEY WANT TO!
I get both sides of the argument... some think Flash is a scourge of the Internet, others see it as necessary. My objection to the iPad (and iPhone) is that Apple insists it knows best and gives you no way around the limitations without hacks (and Adobe, for example, ain't going to release Flash Player as a jailbreak app).
I'm very sympathetic to Apple with regard to the iTunes store and so on, but why can't they give developers and users a way to sideload apps on their own if they WANT to bypass the system?
If Apple wants to keep Flash out of the store, fine... but let Adobe put their own download on their own site and let users manually install it IF THEY WANT TO!
If it has flash I will get one for sure.
I just don't get how Steve Jobs can go up on stage and claim to hold the whole internet in his hands and not support flash. Look, I hate flash as much as the next guy but it is a requirement for any web browser. And yes I want to watch Hulu, play some flash based games among other things.
I can deal with not having flash on the iPhone but for something to be billed as a third category of device sitting between a smartphone and a laptop, this thing has to do MORE than a smartphone and I simply don't think it does. Just a bigger screen and faster processor. Also most smartphones support flash of some sort, only one that doesn't is the iPhone.
I just don't get how Steve Jobs can go up on stage and claim to hold the whole internet in his hands and not support flash. Look, I hate flash as much as the next guy but it is a requirement for any web browser. And yes I want to watch Hulu, play some flash based games among other things.
I can deal with not having flash on the iPhone but for something to be billed as a third category of device sitting between a smartphone and a laptop, this thing has to do MORE than a smartphone and I simply don't think it does. Just a bigger screen and faster processor. Also most smartphones support flash of some sort, only one that doesn't is the iPhone.
Does anyone have the impression that they said the week before: "OK, take whatever you have and put it on the tablet"?
Right now is nothing more than a big iPhone, with all its shortcomings (and more) and none of its advantages: no multitasking, no flash, same OS, no camera, etc.
Don't you think that iPad OS has to dramatically diverge from iPhone in the next weeks/months. It's a different product, so it should have different capabilities. I am tempted to buy one, but three things keep me from doing it: no multitasking (ridiculous), no Flash and the fact that Apple has to approve what I can or cannot install on it (while paying for the content and the software). Given that Apple Apps are good, I could survive with the last one, but the other two are just ridiculous.
Right now is nothing more than a big iPhone, with all its shortcomings (and more) and none of its advantages: no multitasking, no flash, same OS, no camera, etc.
Don't you think that iPad OS has to dramatically diverge from iPhone in the next weeks/months. It's a different product, so it should have different capabilities. I am tempted to buy one, but three things keep me from doing it: no multitasking (ridiculous), no Flash and the fact that Apple has to approve what I can or cannot install on it (while paying for the content and the software). Given that Apple Apps are good, I could survive with the last one, but the other two are just ridiculous.
What were you thinking
Why would you go and say something like this. What were you thinking. The reason they don't support Flash and Java is that this would remove the need to go to their AppStore. Even though they like you to believe that they are not making money for it, they most definitely are.
So why are you insisting on only buying a device which forces you to a single market place, places restriction upon you. Technology is not suppose to limit what can be done, but rather set you free to get on with it. Especially when it comes to the internet.
If you hate Flash so much you should sell you Mac, which happens to support it and go back to using DOS or some other OS that doesn't support it either. Really what were you thinking
Why would you go and say something like this. What were you thinking. The reason they don't support Flash and Java is that this would remove the need to go to their AppStore. Even though they like you to believe that they are not making money for it, they most definitely are.
So why are you insisting on only buying a device which forces you to a single market place, places restriction upon you. Technology is not suppose to limit what can be done, but rather set you free to get on with it. Especially when it comes to the internet.
If you hate Flash so much you should sell you Mac, which happens to support it and go back to using DOS or some other OS that doesn't support it either. Really what were you thinking
Realize this, as visitors to your's and other web sites, we mostly, are NOT interested in animations. We want clean websites with clear and concise readable material. We are not interested in waiting several minutes for some silly, useless animations to load that provides us with zero information that we arrive to learn or study.
I know many people who simply close the browser window when they get to a site with Flash animations. We don't care for interactivity with websites, we want to read about products or services. We want to copy text and paste it in emails and send to others as part of the research.