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Why should Apple waste all sorts of time and money developing a CDMA iPhone/iPad when Verizon is replacing their CDMA network within a couple years?

Heh, it's really not that much money... New qualcomm chipset, antenna, removal of sim tray, and software changes outweigh the millions of units they would sell... It takes money to make money as they say. And cdma isn't going to die in just a couple years, maybe four years yes, but not two years.
 
Pros:
Verizon 3G network better than AT&T's.

That may be so, but if you plan on traveling outside of the US, you won't be able to use the iPad for data if it is CDMA only and you can't find free wifi anywhere.

Cons:
Still doesn't matter as I'm not paying $15-$60 per month for limited data needs outside of WiFi range.

See, you wouldn't have to pay that much each month for 3G. You can activate the 3G service on a month-to-month basis. My plan (if I were to buy one) would be to buy the 3G enabled version and not enable 3G. Then, if I were to actually need 3G (for example, if I am traveling and wouldn't have wifi access), I would pay for one month of 3G. I would determine if, for that month, I would need the $15 or $30 plan. I have wifi at home, and if I'm out, I wouldn't bring my iPad with me unless I was going to a coffee shop (which usually has wifi).

AT&T should get smart and offer bundled iPhone/iPad data plan for $40-50 per month unlimited or a Pay as you go model with 250 MB for $x.xx and you refill it when it runs out. Otherwise, I'll take WiFi only, use my iPhone only when I can't get WiFi and invest that $130 model price difference in larger storage capacity.

I agree that they should offer bundled data plans. That would be a smart thing for them to do.

The month-to-month nature of the 3G plan is basically pay-as-you-go without the auto refills. You can figure out if 250MB is enough, and if it isn't, the unlimited plan would work.
 
Once ATT loses its exclusivity contract, people will want flexibility on carriers. Particularly, they will not want to have to pay a phone bill to one company and then a data bill to another.

I don't see that at all. As long as it's a no-contract data usage fee, I couldn't care less who I pay it to.

Well, that's not entirely true. I get a 22% discount on Verizon products through work, so I guess I'd prefer Verizon get the iPad too, but if I have to write a $30 monthly check to AT&T, I'm OK with that...
 
You need to understand version wont get anthing anytime soon. Att and apple love each other. Get over it version sucks
 
When Steve said that the AT&T pricing was remarkable on the iPad data plan at $15 and $30 per month rather than $60, sorry, but that is for full fledge usb dongle internet service on a laptop, not a low use item like the iPad.

You want remarkable AT&T:

a. All iPhone customers paying a data plan get iPad 3G coverage included in what they already pay!

b. All iPhone customers can get WiFi only model and tether their iPhones.

Unless one of those situations was announced, then it's not remarkable.

Give me Pay as you go refill model with months to use it up or I'll take a WiFi only but no way I give AT&T another $15 or $30 a month.

I totally agree with you. I'm not paying another penny to AT&T for a data plan. iPhone users should get it at no additional charge especially since you are not using them both at the same time, at least I don't know why you would. Additionally, the $130.00 charge for the 3G hardware is nuts.
 
I figured there was going to be a CDMA radio in there on tear-down.

Guess we will see - but i don't see there being a CDMA version, and then a GSM version. It will do both if it does CDMA - the customer will get a choice thru iTunes who they want to use.

OR, like I really thought might happen - you pay APPLE the $15-30 and they take care of the network side. Load sharing at it's finest.....
 
You need to understand version wont get anthing anytime soon. Att and apple love each other. Get over it version sucks
I suspect your opinion on that is based on something you overheard in the lunchroom at the Nerd's Table (you know...over there in the corner).

I don't know if it's coming to Verizon or not (and don't particularly care - I don't mind writing the check to AT&T instead), but I'm absolutely positive that YOU don't know.
 
I figured there was going to be a CDMA radio in there on tear-down.

Guess we will see - but i don't see there being a CDMA version, and then a GSM version. It will do both if it does CDMA - the customer will get a choice thru iTunes who they want to use.

OR, like I really thought might happen - you pay APPLE the $15-30 and they take care of the network side. Load sharing at it's finest.....

Right - if it has a Gobi chip it can do EV-DO (not CDMA voice). And, interesting, the Gobi chip does GPS with "assisted GPS". And, very interesting, the 3G Ipad does GPS with "assisted GPS". Coincidence?

The SIM card is irrelevant to the discussion. Instead of a portable SIM card, Verizon keys off the hardware ID of the radio (similar in a sense to the MAC address of an ethernet card).
 
I totally agree with you. I'm not paying another penny to AT&T for a data plan. iPhone users should get it at no additional charge especially since you are not using them both at the same time, at least I don't know why you would. Additionally, the $130.00 charge for the 3G hardware is nuts.

How do they know you aren't using it at the same time?

Why does it seem like AT&T customers expect tethering to be.... FREE??

It won't be. NOT. AT. ALL. This data offer from Apple/AT&T - is indeed an incredible deal here in the states. (and that is coming from a Verizon customer, and someone that would never use AT&T. But this is tempting all based on price)

http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-center/main.jsp?solutionId=KB102856&t=solutionTab
 

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Right - if it has a Gobi chip it can do EV-DO (not CDMA voice). And, interesting, the Gobi chip does GPS with "assisted GPS". And, very interesting, the 3G Ipad does GPS with "assisted GPS". Coincidence?

The SIM card is irrelevant to the discussion. Instead of a portable SIM card, Verizon keys off the hardware ID of the radio (similar in a sense to the MAC address of an ethernet card).

Cool on the Gobi chip - not that i have a clue who makes it or if it is a possible part Apple would buy :D

I was wondering about the SIM card from the standpoint - Apple keeps saying that it will be handled in iTunes, and if you can find someone that offers micro-sims you can use them.

Is this shipping with a SIM card for AT&T in it? Otherwise, wouldn't that mean a trip to the store? I'm guessing i should go read the "what's in the box" thing on that other tab i have open :D
 
iPhone coming to Verizon has officially jumped the shark. Hitler. nazis. Godwin.
 
It won't be "low use." At all.

We're going to see users addicted to their iPads. It's the internet virtually anywhere, on the most attractive device out there.

Seriously. "low use?" I'll go over the cheap plan in a day running slingplayer. Heck, 3 days of RSS, web browsing, and email with attachments will take me over.
 
How do they know you aren't using it at the same time?

Why does it seem like AT&T customers expect tethering to be.... FREE??

It won't be. NOT. AT. ALL. This data offer from Apple/AT&T - is indeed an incredible deal here in the states. (and that is coming from a Verizon customer, and someone that would never use AT&T. But this is tempting all based on price)

Of course many people will be using both at once. Anyone with a family is a likely candidate... The argument "you won't use both at once" makes as little sense as saying all the phones on a family plan should be charged just one fee.
 
Why should Apple waste all sorts of time and money developing a CDMA iPhone/iPad when Verizon is replacing their CDMA network within a couple years?

A market of around 80 MILLION Verizon subs either locked into that network, and/or not willing to switch to AT&T? Let's face it these iDevices are really just a year or two devices anyway. Own one for about a 2-year contract, and the version that comes out around that time will be advanced enough to have you pining for the upgrade. Go an extra year and the upgrade temptatation only grows.

Besides, even if Verizon could completely roll out their next-gen network in a couple of years (unlikely), the existing one doesn't get turned off then, much like Edge still exists with AT&T 3G. CDMA will be around longer than the your first iPad or Verizon iPhone is likely to be your iDevice.

And 80 MILLION "local" prospects is an awfully enticing target.
 
Verizon global phones and some blackberrys have the standard gsm chips on them, the Apple ipad has gsm chip VERIZON APPLE IPAD WILL WORK INTERNATIONAL


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Ditto.

We need a law in the US denying exclusivity of one carrier over others with phones and whatnot. People should be allowed to choose.

I'm so sick of this stupid argument.

You choose to buy a product that is designed to run a particular way. You're not forced to buy it. If you do not like the iPad or iPhone because it runs on AT&T in the US then you have three options:

1. Don't buy it, which is great because if frees up the bandwidth for the rest of us.

2. Move to Europe and buy an iPhone or iPad on another network

3. Buy an iPhone/iPad in a foreign country and pay the expensive roaming fees. How much does it cost to use a foreign T-Mobile iPhone in the US?
 
Maybe they should listen to the old addage: "The customer is always right."
That is correct, and in the case of Apple, their customer is the world market, not just the US, and the rest of the world uses GSM/HSDPA, not EVDO. Apple is all about efficiency in their mass production and higher margins. Sure, Verizon has a lot of customers, but that means another production branch, a different chipset, more FCC testing, more legal stuff to do a deal with Verizon, more tech support cost, etc, and all that just to satisfy a market in 1 country? :rolleyes:

Besides, there's a thing called the MiFi if you really have to have Verizon coverage.
 
Verizon CDMA? So much for the idea of an "unlocked" iPad then. Not only it would be locked to a single provider, it's locked to 1 country too. Unless it will be using LTE, but that's a given for a future product, nothing surprising.

CDMA is available in over 120 countries. I don't know how many use the same frequencies etc as the US, but a CDMA iPad could certainly be used in more than one country.
 
It's just my thoughts (NOT RUMORS)...

But Apple could really stick it to AT&T by rolling out an iPad for Verizon with webcam. With an ad something like "Their network can support the extra bandwidth that video needs!"
Why the hell would Apple want to stick it to AT&T?

Do people not realize that Apple is making a ton of money off of their exclusive deal with AT&T. The deal that Verizon refused to sign.
 
A market of around 80 MILLION Verizon subs either locked into that network, and/or not willing to switch to AT&T?
People that want to be on Verizon and want the iPad can simply buy the wifi only iPad and Verizon's MiFi. So Apple still gets the money without doing anything different.
 
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