All of those countries have Verizon-compatible CDMA networks. Here in NZ, for example, about 30% of users are on CDMA. You can see from Verizon's map that CDMA coverage is widespread here (most of the areas shown as GSM on that map also have CDMA).
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All of those countries have Verizon-compatible CDMA networks. Here in NZ, for example, about 30% of users are on CDMA. You can see from Verizon's map that CDMA coverage is widespread here (most of the areas shown as GSM on that map also have CDMA).
You know how Apple made the iPad Verizon and CDMA compatible? By making it data only with no voice option so you have no "simultaneous voice" option either.
Problem solved.
Rocketman
Problem solved.
Rocketman
I asked the question because earlier posters claimed that a CDMA iPad would only work in the US. Thank you for the clarification.
You know how Apple made the iPad Verizon and CDMA compatible? By making it data only with no voice option so you have no "simultaneous voice" option either.
Problem solved.
Pretty funny
Of course, if you slap a CDMA MiFi on the back of an iPad, then fire up Skype, you could get simultaneous voice and data on Verizon or Sprint. (Assuming you had a microphone input.)
Att is marginally faster, ill take a minute speed hit for signal everywhere, instead of only signal in highly populated areas.
CarrierS
Steve said in the keynote at about 1:19:20, "the approval process with the carriers." <yes, plural>
Then again, he also called it an iPod at one point too, so maybe the "carriers" was a mis-speak.
Maybe those other carriers are GSM, but it would be nice to have the Verizon too for coverage, and given the different models, seems possible out of the gate.
An interesting 2010 for AAPL...
Steve said in the keynote at about 1:19:20, "the approval process with the carriers." <yes, plural>
Then again, he also called it an iPod at one point too, so maybe the "carriers" was a mis-speak.
Maybe those other carriers are GSM, but it would be nice to have the Verizon too for coverage, and given the different models, seems possible out of the gate.
An interesting 2010 for AAPL...
I think he ment all the carriers, as of, all the carriers globally. I also saw that, and was wondering what he also ment. But the only thing that can pop in my head is global carriers.
If you also see the 2007 MacWorld keynote, introduction of the iPhone, part 11 (via youTube) Jobs also mentions that AT&T and Apple have a unique relationship, and happy to be together. And they hope to market great stuff with AT&T, in the years to come.
Hint: look what just happened last week.
In Norway, competition is working much better
- A larger selection of carriers due to the existance of virtual carriers
- A common standard, GSM
- Maximum contract length of 1 year, after which a phone has to be unlocked
- Unlocked phones being accepted on all carriers, and the competition means the rates are usually far lower then as the carrier doesn't have to subsidize the phone
One key element here is GSM ubiquity, though - this ensures that customers can move their devices to another carrier easily. In the US, a law would make no sense as Verizon uses a different standard so you'd have to create a special product just for them - and couldn't sell it in the rest of the world. The last part is why Verizon and iAnything doesn't seem too likely.
I am one that REALLY needs CDMA and Verizon for the iPad dataplan. As mentioned before, there are many people like myself where there is NO ATT/GSM coverage at all. The closest GSM signals are about 50 miles away so for me, unless there is CDMA, it's WiFi only.
Despite what people think, CDMA is the best service and most popular here in the USA. Sure, GSM may be available around the world, but sells in our region are the major concern. That is why BOTH CDMA and GSM models are needed for it to be viable.
Despite what people think, CDMA is the best service and most popular here in the USA. Sure, GSM may be available around the world, but sells in our region are the major concern. That is why BOTH CDMA and GSM models are needed for it to be viable.
If you REALLY need to use an iPad with Verizon get the WiFi only version and sign-up for Verizon MiFi. Problem solved.
I Agree With You Somewhat But...
I agree with you on the fact that they should have supported CDMA to the vendors. That being said however, I did defect from Verizon because I really wanted the iPhone. What I experienced was HORRIBLE call reliability and when I cancelled they tried (took an attorney to stop it) to triple bill me. I don't care what device they have, I will NEVER do business with AT&T again. I am back at Verizon now. I just wish someone would get it right. Great phones and great service, what a concept. IF Apple goes exclusively with AT&T for the iPad then Steve Jobs either has huge holdings in that company or he is an idiot. Why put the best phone with the worst carrier? You just have to follow the money.
I agree with you on the fact that they should have supported CDMA to the vendors. That being said however, I did defect from Verizon because I really wanted the iPhone. What I experienced was HORRIBLE call reliability and when I cancelled they tried (took an attorney to stop it) to triple bill me. I don't care what device they have, I will NEVER do business with AT&T again. I am back at Verizon now. I just wish someone would get it right. Great phones and great service, what a concept. IF Apple goes exclusively with AT&T for the iPad then Steve Jobs either has huge holdings in that company or he is an idiot. Why put the best phone with the worst carrier? You just have to follow the money.
Not with high end 3G. With EDGE service perhaps.
No, but they are a much further deployed "higher" speed network on both 3G and 4G.
Sorry for the stupid question but did Steve say that Att was the EXCLUSIVE provider for the ipad? I don't remember this but maybe I am wrong
No; at least not precisely. At around 1 hr. 14 mins into the debut media event he outlines that all the 3G models are unlocked. Not sure how a phone can be exclusive and unlocked at the same time.
Activation from some pre-bundled application might turn out to be exclusive. I suspect that data contract price that Apple got from ATT is a bulk buying power deal ( Apple gets them to offer the price because of the volume of users they are driving through the bundled app.) Not having to go to a store to get a contract might turn into exclusive deals in other countries. However, the carriers that will hand you a micro sim at their store along with a contract should in theory be useful. (May end up with frequency mistmatch and/or quirks mode glitches). That difference in ease and perhaps price will tilt the playing field while at the same time spins as being more free market friendly (e.g., Google offering Nexus One unlocked helps here. Apple as the grand purveyor of exclusivity would come to bite them in the butt eventually. ) .
It may turn out that Apple has a generic contract buying app than any vendor can plug into, but I somewhat doubt that is the case.
HP offers an Gobi option on several of their netbooks at the price of $125. That works on ATT , Tmobile (at EDGE speeds), Verizon, and Sprint.
There is little to back up that this flexibility is "super expensive". Contract free yeah a Verizon Gobi/World modem will cost you about $200-240. Who really buys contract free phones/modems (in the US) ? It is priced that way to make large margins not necessarily that the built-in component costs are that high.
A quick look at the ATT online store for USB 3G modems.... ooooh look "free" USB
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...ce=AT&T+USBConnect+Lightning&q_sku=sku4170225
No contract price: $250 .
Quick trip to Verizon wirless online store.
Verizon Wireless UMW190 Global USB Mode no contract price : $220.
Come on folks .... go to the stores and actually LOOK at what folks are offering at what prices about how providing global support will be super expensive or that ATT is the low price leader. Sheesh.
Actually, if anything, folks would likely dift to a ChromeOS Pad/Netbook .
http://gizmodo.com/5435350/chrome-os-netbook-specs-leaked-multi+touch-ssd-and-more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS
It is not a coincidence but it also necessarily evidence of Gobi either.
It is evidence of silicon consolidation. WiFi and bluetooth support being collapsed into one chip ( in iPhone, Touch , and other devices). Likewise makes sense to eventually collapse 3G and GPS into one chip for some applications also.
At some point it may turn out that all the radios collapse into a single chip. (there is enough legacy support of ancient protocols GSM and pre CMDA-2000 that there will be limits to that.) Don't think there is "one" answer to what the best collapse will be, but the overall tension to reduce chip package count in solutions is there.
The iPhone is reported to use the Infineon PMB 2525 (Hammerhead II) ( http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=ff80808112ab681d0112ab6ad4ef0641) that chip supports assistance from both UTMS/GSM and EVDO/"CDMA-2000" networks.
Gobi devices need a SIM slot. If recall correctly, it doesn't matter if the slot is empty if leveraging the EVDO mode. However, in the other modes would need it. So the solutions based on it typically have a SIM slot available.
I think this is a dead horse
I was waiting for the big VZW iPad announcement with great anticipation as I thought VZW iPad = VZW iPhone. But when that didn't materialize, I realized that the verizon iPhone is a pipe dream until 4G rolls. The others are right there is no way apple is going redesign the iPhone for a couple hundred thousand new customers. Especially when they can get most of them to switch.
I was waiting for the big VZW iPad announcement with great anticipation as I thought VZW iPad = VZW iPhone. But when that didn't materialize, I realized that the verizon iPhone is a pipe dream until 4G rolls. The others are right there is no way apple is going redesign the iPhone for a couple hundred thousand new customers. Especially when they can get most of them to switch.
Eh? Kindle initially deployed on Sprint's data network. What technology do you think that is deployed on? Likewise, several companies: RIM, Palm, Nokia, Samsung, Son etc. have dropped phones onto both networks of both types.
Depends on point of view. The biggest sticking point between Apple and Verizon back in 2007 was about "full price" and Apple taking a piece of the contract "action". Longer term that was the correct stance. Apple's price was jacked up. Second, their stance on subsidies did a 180 reversal. There was due cause to walk away when they were insisting on things that would not and did not work.
Likewise, there probably would be tensions about split versions of the phones as the global rollout gained steam.
Bogus. Way before 2014, MiFi will be dirt cheap. It is $269 now ( chuckle about the price of some of ATT's USB modems now). With 2 year contract that is $99. In next year or two that will be "free" w/ 2yr contract and likely, if can get volume, down to close to the price Apple is charging now for the 3G option ( I suspect it will remain inflated longer term so Apple can print more money in the basement. )
4G isn't a panacea. The frequencies used in the US for 4G/LTE are not the ones the rest of the world is generally using (where is has been deployed). Using this same blanket argument that "only build for what can commonly deploy in most countries" the US would get dropped out of the 2012-ish iPad/iPhone market too. Don't see that happening.
Just as 3G networks labor with EDGE baggage, the 4G networks will have previous gen baggage on them too. There will be two major tracks forward on 4G/LTE : LTE/EVDO and LTE/HSPA/EDGE .
P.S. the whole "apple can't do country specific skus" would hold more water if they didn't do exactly just that for China recently. Sure chopping the WiFi radio out is less costly than putting a different radio chip in. However, it does put them on the slippery slope of jumping in for just for breadth sake.
To date, Apple has not maximized global penetration. So they can still grow without diving into the countries ( and it is plural) which have EVDO 3G networks. Players who have gotten much farther down the growth curve have expanded.
Sorry for the stupid question but did Steve say that Att was the EXCLUSIVE provider for the ipad? I don't remember this but maybe I am wrong
Doubtful. Doesn't it come unlocked?
Thousands? Try millions and the millions more that won't leave verizon and be locked until LTE arrives. And oh yeah, the millions who didnt ever consider getting data but with the iphone, they would. And one more--oh yeah, the customers who would leave ATT, sign on with verizon, and sell even more iphones
My understanding of the iPad announcement last week is that the iPad is unlocked they announced "breakthough pricing" with AT&T. But it sounded to me like you could buy a 3G enabled version of the iPad without an AT&T contract.
Then you would have to find a GSM carrier in the US who can give you a "micro-SIM". I have no idea if the other GSM carriers support these new SIMs.
I hope that someone makes a 3FF SIM adapter. That would allow us to use one SIM for both phone and iPad (for those that want to do that).