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iPad3 a bust?

I agree with the other posters: the retina display is a huge improvement. The screen after all, is what the iPad is all about.

I guess for folks on an iPad 2 there's nothing that will blow you away. However, for those of us with original iPads - it looks to be a very worthy upgrade.
 
bouldermac said:
You can't expect them to reinvent the wheel every 12 months!!

Bar set a little high?
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Not really. Apple's reputation was built on one more thing. Where something really wow you.

Lots of people are saying why don't you wait till you try it, that the experience is important. Maybe that's the issue. There is no update to the experience. Yes there is a new display, buy where are the new iOS stuff that makes everyone's use experience better? There is none.

I think that is what people are really disappointed about.
 
MaxPower49 said:
I'm also going from an iPad 1 to a 3. Will be a huge improvement for me. Call it a weak upgrade if you want, but I think you are in the minority. Also, I think they did upgrade the ram to 1 gb.
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I'm also upgrading from iPad 1 myself. I think it makes sense to update every other version becoz Apple's strategy is pushing out incremental updates every year
 
robbie12345 said:
any computer gamer out there knows the biggest graphics hog is the resolution. o by increasing the resolution by 4x you have already lost the double frame rates of the better graphics and maybe less frame rates then the iPad 2 graphics.
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Well there's an over simplification if I've ever seen one.
 
robbie12345 said:
if specs were not important to how the actual experience is then why have we come this far. the reason specs are important is because they lead to a better overall experience. the retina display is completely useless to someone who doesn't understand specs. most people don't even know what a pixel is,

also if they left it at 1024x768 for the extra power what was the pint of the screen

think about it.

they would have called it the iPad 2s but they couldn't because there was no speed increase.

they couldn't call it the iPad 3 because there was no design change.

so what you are left with is an incredibly incremental bump with almost no features except for one
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The part you are missing is the fact Apple makes EVERTHING on the iPad. They OPTIMIZE every aspect of the software so traditional thinking you have to throw specs at a deceive to make it run smooth (can you say Android tablets?) simply no longer applies.

Just because the last 20 years of computing has gaming geeks buying the latest, fastest GPU to deal with poor drivers and code that is not optimized to the specific device doesn't mean every one has to follow that same path. Control the drivers for ONE GPU and you know exactly what it needs to run smoothly. Specs don't matter if it works, and works well. The iPad does, the others fail to throw enough hardware at bad code not built for any one specific pc of hardware.

Think different
 
It's funny, when Apple decided to add a camera onto the tablet, people complained how it wasn't even 1 MP. Now that they've upgraded it to 5 MP (the same as iPhone 4), you're now complaining that it's pointless.
 
iMoo said:
the logic of what this post is saying gives every right for him to vent his opinion, weather this is right or wrong we can only tell.

If the actual processor is the exact same 1ghz dual core (rather than 1.5ghz which i thought it would be) then indeed with the higher resolution there would not be a performance gain but a hit if any. Unless software has been improved to make the overall experience smoother. but indeed the extra res will require more horsepower should the software be identicle. people who have updated to 5.1 with the original iPad are noticing smoother experience and less crashing which makes me believe that indeed alot has gone into the software iOS.

Same with graphics, if you get a monitor for your PC that his higher res then your fps will drop slightly if the gpu is working harder to display the higher res.

HOWEVER;
Now that the tablet iOS is maturing and coding getting better to address memory leaks etc. Also the developers are getting better with thier apps, this will make less an impact on the proposed specs by looking at them on paper.
If the iPad can better address how it handles data and how it spreads the workload between GPU and CPU then the overall feeling of the device will be better. I believe that most things now head towards being more GPU heavy than CPU especially with the type of apps coming out and extra res.

Chasing specs is for the people with PC's and wads of cash to burn. But in a tablet it's a balance between performance, user experiance and price/profit margins. Not just chasing specs for a stat sheet. remember there is also the battery life to think about also.

Overall i think it is well balanced. The only thing i was dissapointed on is that they did not have a front camera to math the res of the screen for full res Facetime....but that will be saved for the 4 :O)
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Couple of facts... The GPU in tablets in general are about as useful for general purpose computation as my left shoe. They just aren't designed for it. Further more, the sort of work loads which a stream processor (what a modern GPGPU optimized GPU is basically) excels at requires tasks that can be done in parallel without much branching in the code. Typically for the general use of tablets there are few tasks like this. There's video decompression but as it turns out building a dedicated decoder takes very little area on chip and returns much better power/performance ratio than using GPGPU. Even on Apple's desktop there are next to no Apple features that actually utilizes the GPU for computation. Even though Apple was one of the major reason for the existence of OpenCL.

What I want to say is there's no real way to balance the work load between the old A5 cores still in the new A5 chip and the new twice as brawny GPU. The GPU update was entirely so they don't return horrible results with 4x the pixels.

Also, being disappointed with the specs is not the domain of only people with lots of money. If you were a normal person who don't want to part with 600 dollars every few years to get the newest iPad or iPhone specs are actually extremely important. If you want to keep the thing for a few year you better hope apple's gave it enough of a spec bump that it will continue to receive new version of iOS for a good while yet. That's why the 3G was a horrible buy because it got ditched at iOS5 and even before that it was more and more a dog of a phone with each heavier iOS release.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to think this "new iPad" is disappointing. It is when other tablets already have quad cores. It is when A15 SoCs are around the corner from Apple's competitors. And it for sure is when the new iPad is heavier than what Apple's competitors are releasing right now. And all without any significant new features in iOS 5.1.
 
robbie12345 said:
i don't care at all that this thread has been voted down this much, i expected it would have been worse :roll eyes:

though my point is the iPad is going to take a hit in performance if any and that makes for a bad upgrade i do like the retina but will not upgrade
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Are you posting from a Blackberry? That would explain a lot!!!
 
ilgreatluigi said:
It will obviously sell, but tell me what features are making you buy it? I agree that upgrading from a 1st to a 3rd would be worth it, but what features are making you upgrade from a 2 to a 3?
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Are you just dumb or a troll?

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Dmunjal said:
Well so far as of 7:30 EST, the Apple Store is still showing 3/16 availability. I was expecting a sellout by now so it might be a bust, comparatively.
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Or, they have been making these since last November and had 30 million ready to go day 1.
 
cotak said:
Not really. Apple's reputation was built on one more thing. Where something really wow you.

Lots of people are saying why don't you wait till you try it, that the experience is important. Maybe that's the issue. There is no update to the experience. Yes there is a new display, buy where are the new iOS stuff that makes everyone's use experience better? There is none.

I think that is what people are really disappointed about.
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I think you really need to watch this:

Louis CK - Everythings Amazing & Nobodys Happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
 
ovrlrd said:
I read through your post, but it was extremely incoherent. It was full of run-on sentences and weird logic that I had to try hard to get what you were trying to say.

Honestly I can't agree with you at all, you seem to not understand what is new, and you also focus far too much on specs, which everyone knows aren't as important as the actual experience of using the device.

You seem to just want to pick apart this upgrade, maybe to justify not purchasing it? I have no idea what your rant is about.
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Wow, no idea... Really?!... It's not rocket science
 
Upgrade is all under the hood. yes everyone would like to see more Bells & Whistles but theres only so much you can do with hardware. Most likely when Mountain Lion debuts this summer we will see more perks in the new Ipad.
 
cotak said:
There is no update to the experience. Yes there is a new display, buy where are the new iOS stuff that makes everyone's use experience better? There is none.

I think that is what people are really disappointed about.
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This was a hardware event. It was the release of the new iPad. If you were expecting something major in software, iOS6 perhaps, you tuned into the wrong event.
 
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