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Sorry Sai but IMO you are completely wrong here on almost every point.

Your whole post reads like an insane rant by an angry person who's "just not going to take it anymore" but it's completely out of sync with the much milder reality of the situation.

I won't go into every detail, but the basic idea you're pushing, that "they should have had this stuff at the beginning" is not supported by the facts.

iPhone 1.1.1 barely got out the door in time, was buggy, and hardly even an OS at all. The first revision to it was basically the "1.0" version of the OS. The iPhone has also been out for less than a year and has been updated twice already. To imply that this is "slow" or "behind the curve" or any of those things is simply way over the top.

Secondly, your whole argument is based on the (unsupported!) assumption that this kind of eking out of features one by one, is standard business practice for such companies. You further imply that Apple must also be doing this, and that the whole conspiracy scenario is intentional on Apples part (also unsupported).

You just have no evidence for any of this.

Furthermore, Apples history, it's past actions, and it's policies and goals all argue against your interpretation of them as miserly profit seekers.

Thanks for replying to my post. I respect your opinion, but I have to say that you need to calm down and chill out and RE-READ my post because it was not a rant. I'm just simply stating how companies approach product mapping.

What evidence, do I have to support any of what I'm saying? The question should be "what evidence DO I not HAVE?... or better yet, does anyone NOT HAVE." It's common sense Virgil, just look around at any product line that is released in generations like the Xbox, Playstation, Cars, Televisions, Video Games themselves (software not the consoles).

Companies map out what features they can offer with a given product and decided on what pace they introduce them throughout the lifespan of that product- its' common business sense and common consumer sense and Fact.

No company, with half a brain for business sense, releases a product with maxed out capabilities and then RESEARCH to see where they can improve it. No. They always know how far they can go with a product before they release it then they release the product and leave room for improvement so that they can make sure you feel a justified reason to purchase the next edition of that product. This is not a guessing game for power companies like Apple. These things are mapped out. New Features have been added to Leopard that could have been in Tiger. New features are in Flash CS3 that could have been in Flash 8- But that's just how CAPITALISM works.

Halo 2 could have supported online Campaign etc., but they waited to implement it in Halo 3. The 2008 Accord finally has iPod inputs when they could have done it a few years ago..... the list goes on.

There are two sides of the ball to play here: The consumer side, and the Business side. I 'm just explaining both. How things happen from the business side, and how consumers are effected by it (loving or fed up with it).

This is not about picking on Apple, dude, I stated they are a kick ass company go back and re-read. We're just stating the facts. My PPC 6600 which is 2 years old had features the iPhone does not have STOCK and I love my iPhone, but the truth is just the truth. Many people have adopted this "it's revolutionary so we'll over look some little things" mindset, but not everyone has adopted this mindset. You can't run from the the truth that people are paying $400 or $500 for an iPhone and are missing basic features like multiple text forwarding at LAUNCH. It is what it is Virgil. Every company drops the ball every now and again, but it does not me that we think Apple is horrible. here's a news flash, people are allowed to openly criticize companies they support- that's how the companies we love GET IMPROVE (because of these forums).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble and introduce you to a RADICAL way of thinking but that's how companies will always do it. Put yourself in there shoes. If you released a product with every single feature you can think of included in the first generation of that product, why would your target market want to purchase your next edition within 18 months time? Technology doesn't change that fast. Your sales will plummet! Yes, you can REDESIGN IT, but you have to come up with more than cosmetic changes, and TWEAKS (that's what pisses people off about some of the smartphones, they are nicely redesigned by how are they different from one model to the next? that' s why I did not buy the Mogul because I felt like my PPC 6700 was not that far behind lol).

Peace
 
i thought mms was a type of sms. i don't know i've never sent an mms. but i hear that they are very very popular in england. and until such time as the majority of people have email on their phones, i don't see sms or mms as being dead.

You might be thinking of EMS, which is an enhanced version of SMS which supported small icons and such.. this was even worse than MMS. I think you'll find you're not alone in not sending MMS messages. a lot of people dont. and that is the point for not including it.
 
There's just WAY too much complaining going on here. If your wife bakes you a cake do you throw a fit and say that you wanted a pie?

Geez, everytime Apple does an update, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! If Apple doesn't do an update, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!

You tell me a company that will magically read your mind and make all the updates that you want, NO MATTER THE COST, all at once for you. Can't think of any? Then why do you expect Apple to read your mind?

How about sitting back, shutting up, and accepting what you have for a change. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have it in the first place. You're not going to see me sticking my thumb up my butt while complaining "man, I hate having a thumb up my butt."

:apple:
 
You might be thinking of EMS, which is an enhanced version of SMS which supported small icons and such.. this was even worse than MMS. I think you'll find you're not alone in not sending MMS messages. a lot of people dont. and that is the point for not including it.

is this a regional thing? because i've heard (only anecdotally though) that they are a big thing here (uk).
 
I hope that it's true. And nimbuscloud, I appreciate your post. I'm apart of a forum for a band that is finally in the process of releasing their CD and you wouldn't believe the complaining that goes on there.
 
i thought mms was a type of sms. i don't know i've never sent an mms. but i hear that they are very very popular in england. and until such time as the majority of people have email on their phones, i don't see sms or mms as being dead.
im in england and personally ive sent 2 (yes, thats the actual total) MMS messages
and never received one
i know of no one that uses mms at all really
 
The last iPhone 1.1.3 rumor on here was obviously false, so it is no surprise this one -- from a site that has absolutely no record on iPhone or Mac rumors as far as I can tell -- is scrutinized.

50/50. iPhone screenshots are easily faked.

Alex
 
Every dollar that Apple gets from you, they put say 10 cents into a fund for warranty repairs, support, bugfixes etc. So Apple counts only 90 cents as revenue. Once enough time has gone, Apple can check how much of the ten cents was actually spent, and add the rest to the revenues.

The 801n upgrade introduced a new hardware feature that wasn't there before. It turned a slow WiFi connection into a fast one. So this couldn't be paid out of the fund for warranty repairs, support and bugfixes. Apple should have put another two cents of each dollar into a fund for "free improvements to hardware", and count only 88 cents of each dollar as revenues, and they didn't. If Apple had shipped Macs that were supposed to have 801n, and if it was broken because of a firmware bug, then they would have been allowed to fix it for free, taking the money out of the "repairs" fund.

With the iPhone, when you pay $399, Apple counts $16.625 every month as revenues for the next 24 months, so they have the right to make any improvements they want.

Basically, because Enron sold millions of dollars worth of oil to its subsidiaries (without actually delivering anything, but it made things look good on the paper), Apple wasn't allowed to give you better WiFi for free.

Thanks for the explanation but...

How is it any different than 360 updates? The 360 didn't play .avi files when I bought it, MS rolled out a free update a month ago that means it now does. Adding an unadvertised feature via firmware update for free is exactly what MS did without any trouble...
 
is this a regional thing? because i've heard (only anecdotally though) that they are a big thing here (uk).

I think MMS is bigger in the UK and Europe, than in the US or in Asian markets. And certainly as the years have gone on since around 2005 when it started getting traction on devices it's got more usage from users. But i think this is only due to the fact operators have now got the phones setup out of the box. a few years back, MMS required complex settings made by the user to get it running. And only in the last year and a half have these been made in the factory by default. Allowing users to actually use the MMS capibility.

Email, has had the same problem with setting up as MMS did, so certainly it'll be a while before email is used in a bigger way. But at least with email the capacity for growth is there. where as MMS which is only now started being used will be insufficient for most people new multi megapixel images today's devices are capturing.
 
Fake!!!!!

Hate to burst everyones bubble, but these are fake. One quick look in Photoshop and a look through the channels shows they have been altered. See attached image and you can see the difference of pixels in the Blue channel. The Gear Live icon is all pixelated in the black area compared to the rest. A box can be seen where they copied and moved the image.

Wish it was true, but Steve probably has something else up his sleeve.
 

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dang, where's my video capture?

I really, really doubt we are going to see any form of video recording in the current iPhone. Hell, probably not even in the 3G iPhone.

Keep in mind, Apple needs new features to bring to the iPhone market everytime they come out with a near, yearly version. My guess is that one of these "features" will be high quality VGA (640x480) @ 30fps video recording that can be instantly uploaded to youtube or something similar, and when you dock to your mac it'll automatically be imported into iMovie for editing. Hell, maybe even iMovie will be built into the iPhone for on the fly editing. They'll most likely add a good quality 3-5mp camera too. It'll probably be nicknamed the 'iPhone Vision' or something like that.
 
Seriously people? Have you even done any research? Are you TRYING to find things to nitpick?

I took these photos with my OWN camera, using my OWN iPhone. My name is Andru Edwards. I run Gear Live. Try Googling my name and read some of the stuff out there on me. I was just named one of the "Top 25 Innovators in Seattle" by Seattle Magazine. I think I have a lot more things to do with my time other than freaking sitting here and photoshopping some images together in a pathetic ploy to gain traffic.

These pictures are real. If you don't want to believe that, for whatever reason you are choosing, whatever.

People were saying the same thing when we were the FIRST site to use the phrase "iPod nano" days before it was announced.

Then you will have no problem maybe uploading a video to prove it. I'd like to believe your images are real but having been keeping tabs on Apple rumors for close to 2 years, I've learned to be rather skeptical.
 
I really hope this is true, none of the updates for the iPhone so far have impressed me much. Couldn't they have shot a video and posted that on their website? No one believes pictures anymore, everyone is a photoshop expert these days.
 
I would love to get the iPhone as my carry all media, web browsing device but Steve's fatal mistake of signing on with a mediocre cell company with missing plan features is making it hard for me and a few others to justify the iPhone.

"Fatal" mistake?

You place the importance of a single sale to you a little too highly, I think.
 
Thanks for replying to my post. I respect your opinion, but I have to say that you need to calm down and chill out and RE-READ my post because it was not a rant. I'm just simply stating how companies approach product mapping.

What evidence, do I have to support any of what I'm saying? The question should be "what evidence DO I not HAVE?... or better yet, does anyone NOT HAVE." It's common sense Virgil, just look around at any product line that is released in generations like the Xbox, Playstation, Cars, Televisions, Video Games themselves (software not the consoles).

Companies map out what features they can offer with a given product and decided on what pace they introduce them throughout the lifespan of that product- its' common business sense and common consumer sense and Fact.

No company, with half a brain for business sense, releases a product with maxed out capabilities and then RESEARCH to see where they can improve it. No. They always know how far they can go with a product before they release it then they release the product and leave room for improvement so that they can make sure you feel a justified reason to purchase the next edition of that product. This is not a guessing game for power companies like Apple. These things are mapped out. New Features have been added to Leopard that could have been in Tiger. New features are in Flash CS3 that could have been in Flash 8- But that's just how CAPITALISM works.

Halo 2 could have supported online Campaign etc., but they waited to implement it in Halo 3. The 2008 Accord finally has iPod inputs when they could have done it a few years ago..... the list goes on.

There are two sides of the ball to play here: The consumer side, and the Business side. I 'm just explaining both. How things happen from the business side, and how consumers are effected by it (loving or fed up with it).

This is not about picking on Apple, dude, I stated they are a kick ass company go back and re-read. We're just stating the facts. My PPC 6600 which is 2 years old had features the iPhone does not have STOCK and I love my iPhone, but the truth is just the truth. Many people have adopted this "it's revolutionary so we'll over look some little things" mindset, but not everyone has adopted this mindset. You can't run from the the truth that people are paying $400 or $500 for an iPhone and are missing basic features like multiple text forwarding at LAUNCH. It is what it is Virgil. Every company drops the ball every now and again, but it does not me that we think Apple is horrible. here's a news flash, people are allowed to openly criticize companies they support- that's how the companies we love GET IMPROVE (because of these forums).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble and introduce you to a RADICAL way of thinking but that's how companies will always do it. Put yourself in there shoes. If you released a product with every single feature you can think of included in the first generation of that product, why would your target market want to purchase your next edition within 18 months time? Technology doesn't change that fast. Your sales will plummet! Yes, you can REDESIGN IT, but you have to come up with more than cosmetic changes, and TWEAKS (that's what pisses people off about some of the smartphones, they are nicely redesigned by how are they different from one model to the next? that' s why I did not buy the Mogul because I felt like my PPC 6700 was not that far behind lol).

Peace
So you're saying that Apple knew that the iPod would be what it is today but instead chose to make the first generation the way they did and falling just short of the features in the other players?

I bet they were just thinking at the time it would be great if they could capture some of the market.

And I doubt today that they know what the iPhone will be like in 5 years or what else it will create or affect. I think they just look at an expanding market, think we can do better and it would be great (lucrative) if we capture some of the market.

I don't think Apple is thinking, we will just put out a phone (or anything for that matter) that almost gives people the features they are used to and in a few years catch up to those features. Haha. That's funny. :)
 
is MMS really necessary

What does eliminating MMS accomplish? To me nothing but confusion, because Apple never gave an official word why.

I honestly think that Apple is trying to avoid confusion by leaving out MMS. SMS is there for those that love tho chat quick and on the fly. I believe that email is a far better way to send stuff like pics, which you could already do very efficiently with the iPhone.
 
From Arstechnica:

So Apple is avoiding it by saying that the money they get from AT&T to get around that Act.

No, Apple is avoiding it by recognizing the SALE price of the iPhone over 24 months. $400/24 every month for 2 years. The income from ATT is recognized as it is earned (monthly as well) and has nothing to do with the whole legal issue with the updates.
 
Hate to burst everyones bubble, but these are fake. One quick look in Photoshop and a look through the channels shows they have been altered. See attached image and you can see the difference of pixels in the Blue channel. The Gear Live icon is all pixelated in the black area compared to the rest. A box can be seen where they copied and moved the image.

Wish it was true, but Steve probably has something else up his sleeve.
:: Smirk :: I see a slight problem in what you're doing there. While these pictures may indeed be REAL, they may ALSO be modified to promote the website. Hate to burst YOUR bubble but you've proved very little. Moreover... just have fun with it until the official announcement. I sware, somedays its easier to prove an anthropological scholar isn't a 14,000 year old caveman than to disprove an Apple rumor based on screenshots.

~ CB
 
"Fatal" mistake?

You place the importance of a single sale to you a little too highly, I think.

I will agree with you that one, but in today's tech world much of the devices are and services are the same, leaving only a small amount of differences to choose from and to base a decision on.

When you slice reality really thin, the only thing seperating much of the devices are the company that makes them, the service provided with them if any, and the one or two gimmicky features that one has over the other.

For many, the lack of 3G, Flash, MMS, phone as modem, etc. made the decision to not go with the iPhone. For me, it's the lack of insurance on AT&T's network and phone as modem, and if the phone had those two features it would have been a lot easier to consider it as an option.
 
Hate to burst everyones bubble, but these are fake. One quick look in Photoshop and a look through the channels shows they have been altered. See attached image and you can see the difference of pixels in the Blue channel. The Gear Live icon is all pixelated in the black area compared to the rest. A box can be seen where they copied and moved the image.

Wish it was true, but Steve probably has something else up his sleeve.

I'm a graphics designer and photographer. Seeing your channels analysis does make me believe that these are fake, but as a photographer the narrow depth of field used in low light with a macro lens looks very real. I'm on my sister's laptop, and she doesn't have photoshop, but I'll check out the images later and see if I can find any other discrepancies. I hope these aren't fake, but the reality of this update is rather believable. Nothing too crazy. Here's to hoping.
 
Why would they make changes that are this big without updating the version number to something like 1.2? Usually when Apple introduces big features in a software version, they usually up the version number significantly higher than the previous so that it stands out more than just a little tiny .x.x update.
 
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