No, an iPhone costs what it costs. Screen, camera, cpu are part of the package. Which includes best in class support, 5 years of updates. The competition never had this.
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iPhone 11 Pro Max Outperforms Competing Smartphones to Earn DisplayMate's Highest Ever A+ Grade
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That's really interesting – the Note 10+ is even slightly better than the iPhone 11 Pro overall and still they make it sound as if the iPhone is far ahead when it comes to the display. Sounds a bit unfair?
I guess that's just Displaymate's style.
Next will be the Pixel 4 XL and the One Plus 7T Pro with the best displays and highest ratings (even if its basically the same rating previous displays got), then the Galaxy S11 and so on.
I'll take a look at the scores, I just think trying to shift credit to Samsung is a bit silly.
You know this how?
To get a bright, accurate picture on a screen it takes much more than just the panel (which Samsung makes). A design of a screen is the chips that control it, the software that makes it work, the sensors that adjust it, the calibration, the ABL.... this is why Apple’s screens look so different than Samsung ones (and I’m not talking about Samsung’s oversaturated settings, I’m talking about the way they handle brighness peaks, HDR, retention, etc.)
Even if Samsung did design the panel itself - it’s still an Apple screen. Just take a look at how different OLED TVs are in terms of specs (yup even peak brightness) even though every single one of those panels is made by LG.
I’m not trying to discredit Samsung, they invested a lot of money in their manufacturing process, but to say they are solely responsible for iPhone 11 Pro having the best display on the market is wrong.
Just like cameras, it takes much more than just making one hardware part. When people talk about Pixel’s camera, they talk about Google’s processing, not about HTC or Sony or whoever made that camera. It’s how Google designed the whole package that makes it work. These days everything is intelligent, everything is cpus and software and implementation.
This is an Apple display, designed by Apple in California. The panel is manufactured by Samsung to Apple’s specs. It’s a good panel.
People here are trying to downplay an insane amount of work done on this screen by Apple engineers. That is just bad.
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Really? Hey guys, it’s a Samsung screen?!? I had NO idea!
Fyi, Apple has all kinds of in house tech making the screen work. They didn’t just throw it in the iPhone straight from the Samsung shelf.
If you go to Displaymate and look at the phones that have "won" the best overall display in the last 5 years or so, they all have one thing in common. That common denominator is the OLED panel. Whether it's OnePlus, Samsung, or Apple, they share that panel as a commonality. They each do their own color science and use their own controllers, but the basis of an award winning screen starts with the Sammy panel. You're pretty much not going to have an award winning screen without the Sammy OLED panel.
Funny thing you will find when you take a look at the scores... the most color accurate screen still resides with Samsung's Note 10.
Correct, Samsung is a high volume manufacturer, so Apple and others clearly need them, but to act like Apple plays no part in development of the screen is just dumb to me. I look at it like I look at the iPhone in general, there will always be bits and pieces of other phones that are better, a feature here or a feature there, but overall the iPhone is still the best phone out there year in and year out. Ultimately it comes down to preference, but we can't really keep knocking the iPhone like it's junk or something.
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"DisplayMate’s highest ever Display Performance Grade of A+ " is actually a category name for top level displays. Quite a few handsets fall in this category, such as all galaxy lines, apple X lines and so on.
If comparing the result from each categories, Note 10+ and IPhone 11 Pro are identical. Or I may say almost all cell phones in this categories have identical score. The comparison in the same category is senseless.
On another hand, the truth is, most A+ displays if not all were made by Samsung.
I love ios and am absolutly biased towards apple. But i think we should be realistic. In 2019, apples Pro phones have the biggest notches and bezels in the industry. They still only have 4gig ram, no 90hz, etc etc. Yes they have one of the best cameras. But in a blind test, it will be really hard to spot the difference.
Sure they have a great display, but so does anyone else.
The problem is you have people on both sides arguing a binary point. It's either Apple is responsible or Samsung is responsible for the quality of the iPhone's screens. Arguing from either of those positions is dumb, but you have these camps that can't help themselves. There's no middle ground, no nuance. Both sides trying to downplay the contribution of the other just leads to 8 pages of inanity interspersed with a few nuggets of lucidity.
That's fair in my eyes. Of course they both contributed, but I tend to see more of the "you can thank Samsung for that" camp than the other way around. That could just be me though.
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I don't value specs/bezels/notches the same way that you do.
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Yup, they are a screen manufacturer. Apple was able to improve the screen in some areas.
But when iPhone display issues reported everyone blamed Samsung, LG etc...not Apple...that's probably the reason credits also attributed to them
If all A+ display cellphones, from numerous brands, share the same score, which areas did apple improve ?
As I motioned before, which screen display patent in practical use is introduced by Apple ?
Here are some of the highlights. I’m not sure on any patents or if they really need them to improve upon a display.
- Highest Absolute Color Accuracy (0.9 JNCD) – Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
- Smallest Shift in Color Accuracy with the Image Content APL (0.3 JNCD) – Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
- Highest Full Screen Brightness for OLED Smartphones (770 nits for 100% APL and 821 nits for 50% APL).
- Highest Full Screen Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (171 at 100% APL).
- Highest HDR Peak Brightness of 1,290 nits for standard HDR 20% APL, and 1,090 nits for Full Screen White with 100% APL.
- Highest Contrast Ratio (Infinite).
- Lowest Screen Reflectance (4.5 percent).
- Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (25% at 30 degrees).
- Highest Visible Screen Resolution 2.7K (2688×1242) – 4K Does Not appear visually sharper on a Smartphone.
- Highest Absolute Color Accuracy (0.9 JNCD) 0.4 for Note 10+
- Smallest Shift in Color Accuracy with the Image Content APL (0.3 JNCD) 0.2 for Note 10+
- Highest Full Screen Brightness for OLED Smartphones (770 nits for 100% APL and 821 nits for 50% APL). 793 nits at 100% APL for Note10+
- Highest Full Screen Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (171 at 100% APL). Note10+ (184 for 100% APL and 304 for Peak Brightness).
- Highest HDR Peak Brightness of 1,290 nits for standard HDR 20% APL, and 1,090 nits for Full Screen White with 100% APL. Only mentioned 1000+ for this one in Note10 review. Not much details
- Highest Contrast Ratio (Infinite). The same for all OLED screens, even those $300 ones.
- Lowest Screen Reflectance (4.5 percent). 4.3 for Note10 +
- Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (25% at 30 degrees). 24% for Note10
- Highest Visible Screen Resolution 2.7K (2688×1242) 3K (3040x1440) for Note10
Looks like, Apple did their best job to improve Samsung screen quality. It is not easy to lose on all battles.
Would you believe Apple set some of those records based on Displaymate's little caveat that says: "Note that Numerical Performance Differences that are Visually Indistinguishable are considered Matched and Tied Performance Records."? It says so right underneath the title where you copied the stats.
Would you believe if you take the Note 10 review and compare the records some of the data will show the iPhone doesn't actually hold those records? http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm#Highlights
The Galaxy Note10+ matches or sets 13 Smartphone Display Performance Records for:
· Highest Absolute Color Accuracy (0.4 JNCD) – Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
· Highest Full Screen Brightness for OLED Smartphones (793 nits at 100% APL).
· Highest Peak Display Brightness (1,308 nits for Low APL).
· Highest Contrast Ratio (Infinite).
· Lowest Screen Reflectance (4.3 percent).
· Highest Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (184 for 100% APL and 304 for Peak Brightness).
· Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (24 percent at 30 degrees).
· Highest Visible Screen Resolution 3K (3040x1440) – 4K Does Not Appear Visually Sharper on a Smartphone.
I removed the records for the Note 10 that weren't relevant to the discussion. I did include the link if you're interested. Red bold indicates a record that really isn't a record. The blue bold is separate because I don't know how the peak brightness was measured. Both could hold a record brightness tied to specific criteria.
I point this out to reiterate trying to parse contribution levels is nothing more than folly. Apple and Samsung worked together to produce a great screen. Nothing on Displaymate's site is going to support anything other than that conclusion.
Yup, they improved in some areas to give it what they consider the best smartphone display, which was the point of the article.
"Apple and Samsung worked together to produce a great screen"
The most level-headed response I have seen thus far.
No it's not .its samsungs amoled screen and 100% made and designed by them. Apple just got there latest screen tech before there phone did because of the launch timing.
Just wait until the gs11 comes out and it will win back the throne and then the note 11 to take the next throne etc.
Samsung spent 15 years designing these and u think out the blue apple designed it over night? Where are all the lawsuits against samsung for stealing there designs with there OLED screens?
Show me some patents to there oled screen that they designed and had samsung manufacture it.
I'll be waiting