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Apple designed a display “ on paper” then someone manufactured a test batch then apple tested the quality and everything else they needed.

What does "on paper" even mean in this context?

Are you suggesting that Apple designed the OLED end to end "on paper", or are you suggesting Apple wanted OLED technologies to also incorporate some of their requirements?
 
One team at Apple has pioneered absolutely perfect screen color accuracy whilst another has devised an OS feature that gradually turns the screen yellow/orange as daylight fades. I can only imagine the loathing they feel for each other.
Thank god it’s optional and if you need colour accuracy just don’t enable it.
 
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What does "on paper" even mean in this context?

Are you suggesting that Apple designed the OLED end to end "on paper", or are you suggesting Apple wanted OLED technologies to also incorporate some of their requirements?
Just like they designed all the SOC “on paper”.
 
Well both displays are manufactured by Samsung, so they will perform similarly. Apple has obviously done some software tweaks to improve the display's performance, hence the better score.

Kind of like how Sony uses LG OLED panels but their TVs rate higher in picture quality because of their processing.
 
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I thought iPhones were behind in hardware?

More just missing some hardware other manufacturers offer or at least software doesn't currently support the function of (reverse wireless charging?). Can't think of much that is behind except the notch, bezels, and modem but the third was due to lawsuit so hard to overcome that one in time for the 11 releases.

Gotta give Apple cred though they are starting to dominate again and next year should be an upgrade year for me so hoping those last few pieces fall into place and I can buy an iPhone Pro with best screen, camera, processor, modem Qualcomm and then eventually Apple engineered (I can wait awhile for 5G TBH), but also has reverse charging, maybe an under screen fingerprint reader though I could live without that, kill lightning and go full USB C and reduced bezels.

Oh and let me theme my icons and I'd be like Android who?
 
How is designing a display any different than designing a cpu for example? Apple doesn’t have capability to manufacture cpus either. OLED is a specification and there are many types of OLED displays and more than few ways of achieving what’s needed in a specific display.

Apple designed a display “ on paper” then someone manufactured a test batch then apple tested the quality and everything else they needed.
Apple owns the A series CPU design front to back. It's ALL theirs.

Apple does not have Samsung's full OLED design spec (some of which is proprietary) to base their "designs" on.
Sending a spec to a manufacturer for a display is not the same as designing one.
It would also be a complete waste of time and resources to do a full design of an OLED display when 95% of what you need is already available.

So you contact the manufacturer and say hey, can you add these features to your display? If so, the manufacturer has to figure out (design ;)) how to incorporate the new feature set into their existing designs.
 
There’s absolutely no evidence they don’t design the screens either. Remember the 6s? TMSC vs Samsung controller. “Nobody” wanted a Samsung controller.

You have proof of this toilet paper pass the requirements? Obviously everyone’s take is different, but I dont believe Apple is as passive as some people think as they like to control everything.

I agree.

There is evidence Apple HAS developed and designed its own screen technology. I imagine in the case of iPhone it has a unique set of technology requirements and patented elements that Samsung “can” fabricate that Apple uses to distinguish itself from the competition. The immediate example that comes to mind is the LTPO screen technology in the new Apple Watch Series 5 display.

Low-Temperature Polycrystalline Oxide (LTPO) is an Apple developed technology, and I’m sure Samsung is the one manufacturing those as well since they’re an OLED derivative technology. Does that mean we should thank Samsung for that display as well? In part, perhaps, but not as anything more than the fabricator.

In any case Apple deserves credit for speccing the iPhone display so highly and producing a quality product, and Samsung for improving on their manufacturing process well enough to be the only manufacturer that can produce a viable yield (for now) until JDI gets tooled up to allow Apple to leave Samsung behind altogether.
 
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but instead of using your dumb example, the a13 chip DOES HAVE A TON TO DO WITH HOW FAST SOMETHING LOADS, and it's losing to inferior chips. so again, maybe apple doesn't know how to utilize their own hardware?

its nice to drool over benchmarks but then when you see an android phone half the price open things up just as fast, it makes you chuckle a little.

What makes me chuckle is seeing a $1,000 Note 10 taking twice as long to render a 4K video (94 seconds vs 45 seconds). How utterly pathetic for such an expensive flagship.

Or people desperately trying to fabricate a test that doesn’t have an Android device getting trounced by an iPhone.
 
Everything, really. It is a custom OLED. The display driver, which is like a cpu controlling the screen and its brightness (yes, with OLEDs it’s all about power management to achieve brightness peaks), subpixel structure, all the layers, the calibration tools, the sensors that adjust it, the software that controls it.... this is why Samsung phones have different screens than iPhones, even though they are made in same factories.

Apple made and designed the screen. Samsung manufactured it in their factories. They didn’t design it.
That's just BS. Samsung is not a contract manufacturer like Foxconn and TSMC. It's an OEM. Foxconn manufactures stuff to the specs provided by the customer. It mostly offers facilities and the workforce. TSMC offers manufacturing facilities too but it also develops a PDK (process design kit). TSMC gives their PDK to the customers. Companies then use this PDK to design their chips and let TSMC manufacture them. There is nothing of sorts with Samsung. Apple buys display panels from Samsung just like they buy Samsung RAM and flash chips. It is Samsung that design all of those.
 
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That's just BS. Samsung is not a contract manufacturer like Foxconn and TSMC. It's an OEM. Foxconn manufactures stuff to the specs provided by the customer. It mostly offers facilities and the workforce. TSMC offers manufacturing facilities too but it also develops a PDK (process design kit). TSMC gives their PDK to the customers. Companies then use this PDK to design their chips and let TSMC manufacture them. There is nothing of sorts with Samsung. Apple buys display panels from Samsung just like they buy Samsung RAM and flash chips. It is Samsung that design all of those.

Boy, this screen thing is hitting some people where they live.
 
Designed by Apple, manufactured by Samsung. You make it sound like they're just buying off-the-shelf parts lol.
Yes they do. Samsung don't do contract manufacturing (except for their foundry business but that's not a classic contract manufacturing either). Apple buy a lot off the shelf components: RAM, flash memory, displays, modems, camera sensors etc. Just look at the latest iFixit teardown of iPhone Pro. Most of the components there are off-the-shelf variety:
  • Intel X927YD2Q modem
  • Intel 5765 P10 A15 08B13 H1925 transceiver
  • Skyworks 78223-17 PAM
  • 81013 - Qorvo Envelope Tracking
  • Skyworks 13797-19 DRx
  • Intel 6840 P10 409 H1924 baseband PMIC
  • Toshiba TSB 4226VE9461CHNA1 1927 64 GB flash storage
  • STMicroelectronics STPMB0 929AGK HQHQ96 153915
  • TI 97A8R78 SN261140 A0N0T
  • AD5844CDA0 chip
  • SK Hynix RAM
 
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Yes they do. Samsung don't do contract manufacturing (except for their foundry business but that's not a classic contract manufacturing either). Apple buy a lot off the shelf components: RAM, flash memory, displays, modems, camera sensors etc. Just look at the latest iFixit teardown of iPhone Pro. Most of the components there are off-the-shelf variety:
  • Intel X927YD2Q modem
  • Intel 5765 P10 A15 08B13 H1925 transceiver
  • Skyworks 78223-17 PAM
  • 81013 - Qorvo Envelope Tracking
  • Skyworks 13797-19 DRx
  • Intel 6840 P10 409 H1924 baseband PMIC
  • Toshiba TSB 4226VE9461CHNA1 1927 64 GB flash storage
  • STMicroelectronics STPMB0 929AGK HQHQ96 153915
  • TI 97A8R78 SN261140 A0N0T
  • AD5844CDA0 chip
  • SK Hynix RAM
It makes sense to buy and integrate some of the low level off-the-shelf parts. But obviously the entire iphone is not off the shelf. But there is no proof either way about the screen. One can only voice their opinion.
 
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Yes they do. Samsung don't do contract manufacturing (except for their foundry business but that's not a classic contract manufacturing either). Apple buy a lot off the shelf components: RAM, flash memory, displays, modems, camera sensors etc. Just look at the latest iFixit teardown of iPhone Pro. Most of the components there are off-the-shelf variety:
  • Intel X927YD2Q modem
  • Intel 5765 P10 A15 08B13 H1925 transceiver
  • Skyworks 78223-17 PAM
  • 81013 - Qorvo Envelope Tracking
  • Skyworks 13797-19 DRx
  • Intel 6840 P10 409 H1924 baseband PMIC
  • Toshiba TSB 4226VE9461CHNA1 1927 64 GB flash storage
  • STMicroelectronics STPMB0 929AGK HQHQ96 153915
  • TI 97A8R78 SN261140 A0N0T
  • AD5844CDA0 chip
  • SK Hynix RAM
Given that the Intel modem has no other customers, hard to say it’s “off the shelf,” no? (Heck, even Qualcomm accused Apple of working with Intel on the modem)
 
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Yes they do. Samsung don't do contract manufacturing (except for their foundry business but that's not a classic contract manufacturing either). Apple buy a lot off the shelf components: RAM, flash memory, displays, modems, camera sensors etc. Just look at the latest iFixit teardown of iPhone Pro. Most of the components there are off-the-shelf variety:
  • Intel X927YD2Q modem
  • Intel 5765 P10 A15 08B13 H1925 transceiver
  • Skyworks 78223-17 PAM
  • 81013 - Qorvo Envelope Tracking
  • Skyworks 13797-19 DRx
  • Intel 6840 P10 409 H1924 baseband PMIC
  • Toshiba TSB 4226VE9461CHNA1 1927 64 GB flash storage
  • STMicroelectronics STPMB0 929AGK HQHQ96 153915
  • TI 97A8R78 SN261140 A0N0T
  • AD5844CDA0 chip
  • SK Hynix RAM

Yet when people were trying to bash Apple for not turning on the FM radio in the iPhone (because the chip inside supposedly had an FM tuner) it was found the part number was slightly different indicating it wasn’t an off-the-shelf part. Nobody could find a datasheet for the exact chip, only for chips with similar numbers.

So Apple gets a custom version of a minor chip made and you think they wouldn’t have their own specifications for a major component like a screen?


Further, the proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about is staring you right in the face. It’s called a notch. Please show me the off-the-shelf OLED screen by Samsung that has a notch.
 
What makes me chuckle is seeing a $1,000 Note 10 taking twice as long to render a 4K video (94 seconds vs 45 seconds). How utterly pathetic for such an expensive flagship.

Or people desperately trying to fabricate a test that doesn’t have an Android device getting trounced by an iPhone.

You know what's more pathetic? A 1500 dollar phone that can't even open apps faster than a phone half its price. It should be winning every test yet its losing most of them lol. A 1500 dollar ipod that doesn't even have enough ram to use the camera and keep its place in youtube. I guess a13 isn't all its hyped up to be.
 
What makes me chuckle is seeing a $1,000 Note 10 taking twice as long to render a 4K video (94 seconds vs 45 seconds). How utterly pathetic for such an expensive flagship.

Or people desperately trying to fabricate a test that doesn’t have an Android device getting trounced by an iPhone.
People rendering 4K video on their phones is pretty pathetic.
 
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There is absolutely no evidence that Apple design the screens. They might be designing display controllers but not the screens. Don't you remember the time when Apple double sourced LCD panels from LG and Samsung and everyone wanted a Samsung panel because they were better? If Apple designed those screens, would not they be identical?
Apple designs the screen and specs it for Samsung to build. That’s all Samsung does is the manufacturing.
 
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