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I'll keep saying this... it's GOOD that Apple is conservative with RAM because it forces developers to not be LAZY! Developers are notoriously lazy, when they are allowed to be. Many feel that optimizing their app is an *optional* task. Now, I don't use Xcode, but I believe it does some optimizations automatically?

I build websites and my home-grown framework puts optimization first at every level, and the results speak for themselves. Fastest websites on the planet. It blows my mind how many wasteful, bloated websites are out there. A little effort to write optimal code and compress images and assets goes a long way to make the world a happier place.
You mean snappier place 😁
 
iPhone 12/11s is shaping up to be one heck of an upgrade -- bigger screens, better cameras, more ram, and touch ID in the display, etc. Glad I waited, it's going to be worthwhile from my X
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If this 5.4 inch phone is really not a "Pro" model, I'm going to be severely disappointed. Stop making the phones bigger. Or at least offer different sizes of the same phone since, you know, people's hands are different sizes.

These forums are exhausting sometimes. To quote Steve Jobs "if the people like the product they'll buy them, and if they don't they won't!" Folks are buying the bigger iphones
 
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I'll keep saying this... it's GOOD that Apple is conservative with RAM because it forces developers to not be LAZY! Developers are notoriously lazy, when they are allowed to be. Many feel that optimizing their app is an *optional* task. Now, I don't use Xcode, but I believe it does some optimizations automatically?

How does that help consumers when Apple releases bloated iOS updates that run laggy with just Safari on devices equipped with minimal DRAM? In reality, it's much smarter for consumers to demand for more RAM especially considering how cheap it is to future proof against bloated iOS and app updates. Apple will be resistant to that idea though since that means consumers will be hanging on to their devices longer and upgrading less frequently.
 
If this 5.4 inch phone is really not a "Pro" model, I'm going to be severely disappointed. Stop making the phones bigger. Or at least offer different sizes of the same phone since, you know, people's hands are different sizes.

I don’t think your post is very well thought out. Can you name any other smart phone manufacturer currently that’s offering a 4.7 inch smart phone? Apple is one of the only few, when all the other smart phones are at least 5.5 inches and above. Plus, it’s been rumored multiple times they’re releasing an ‘SE 2’ in the fist quarter. If anything, they probably have the most broadened demographic of phones offered for consumers with different models/sizes. And they’re continuing to expand on that through the 2020 year.
 
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ios always needed half of what android needs....so for 2020, samsung will have 8 and 12 gb ram, pro iphone models will have 6gb ram

how about 5g, 16 gig of ram and a crazy camera set up?


The camera setup might be just as ridiculous. Samsung's vaunted 108-megapixel camera would be the centerpiece, but also just he start. You'd also get a 48MP secondary camera with 10X optical zoom and a 12-megapixel ultra-wide cam. While you probably wouldn't shoot at full resolution with those first two cameras (their pixels are likely to be combined for the sake of low-light shots), image detail might be a non-issue in the right circumstances.
 
How you figure that? There are meant to be some big upgrades this year to the iPhone
Because the only time since the 3GS that they've stepped away from the #, #s, #+1, #+1s... naming scheme is with the iPhone X (complete with uncharacteristic roman numeral, and note that they didn't continue that with the XI, they went back to Arabic numerals) to make a big point about it being the iPhone's tenth anniversary, and set out in a massively different direction (edge-to-edge OLED screen, FaceID, etc.). This year's changes sound solid, but not momentously different like the X.
 
The SE2 is supposed to be a different phone.
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4.7-inch iPhone SE2 - 3 GB / 64 GB, single camera (wide), LTE, LCD
Likely called the 8S, or 9, not the SE2 - the latter name was made up by an analyst or rumor site, back when few other (rumored) details were available, and got heavily popularized because there's a contingent that fervently wants a modernized SE (it won't be a drop-in SE replacement, it'll be 8-sized, more or less - it won't make many in the crowd that wants a modernized SE happy).
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sure, just like the 8 was a 7s, remember?..
Eh, you could be right.
 
Given that there seems to be 5 new models coming in 2020, its going to be a fun season for iPhone rumours.

I guess the most likely by the end of the year will be:

iPhone SE
iPhone 12 (5.4” and 6.1”)
iPhone 12 Pro (6.1” and 6.7”)

And I guess the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro will hang around? I wonder what will happen to the whole lineup and naming come September.
I doubt the 11 Pros will stick around, but I definitely think the 11 will stick around and will move to the slot currently filled by the XR. I also think the "9" as the rumors are now calling it will take the place of the 8 as the entry level model and it will stick around as the cheapest iPhone in the lineup through fall 2021 and possibly beyond.
 
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I don't understand Apple's desire to go cheap on RAM. I give Apple credit for improving iOS/iPadOS with new features and options while making things perform fairly smoothly, but it's obvious that it all came at the cost of RAM management. App refreshing is a seriously bad issue to deal with for heavy users. A Pro device in 2020 should come with no less than 8GB.

Even if 6GB were enough for today's standard, the phone will not be futureproof. RAM is not THAT expensive, stop with these greedy practices, Apple.
 
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