And the battery specs between the two models bare that out. I think some mini users are using their phone more than they are willing to admit and then complaining they can't get iPhone Pro Max results.
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iPhone 13 Mini Still Expected Despite Lackluster iPhone 12 Mini Sales
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For some users, it would be barely adequate because some users like the size of the mini but, they live on their phone. As such, the mini would not be a practical purchase. If one needs more than 6 - 7 hrs of SoT, the mini probably isn't the right phone for the need.
I hope they do have a mini next year, I would absolutely upgrade to the iPhone 13 mini over my iPhone 12 Pro.
The mini won't come close to 6-7 hours of SoT in 3 years. I'd suggest it could be a concern for the average user, not just those who live on their phones. Before larger screen sizes "fixed" the problem, Apple was on a disturbing trend where battery life margins were getting tighter with each successive generation. In the case of the 12 vs the 12 mini, they should have made the 12 mini thicker than the 12 to give the battery a boost. It would have cost them zero sales, and they probably would have gained a few.
Do you own and use a mini as your daily driver? I can get 6hrs of SoT (not that I do that regularly). It all depends on the usage type.
You can't say for certain what my battery usage ability will be in 3 years. Not everyone uses their phone the same way.
Sure, but you didn't counter my point. All you said was you can get 6 hours on a new battery, to which I never said you couldn't.
I countered it with the previous post. Your point is nothing but logical fallacy.
I think you are making pronouncements about a phone you don't own.
I am not worried about 3 years down the road. If I still own the phone and have a worn battery, I will either get it replaced or upgrade. I may upgrade again this year. It's not a concern for me.
Hi, no I experienced real eyestrain and real headaches, pretty consequently (after looking at the screen for more than a few minutes). I was even on the brink of returning it for another LCD model (which would mean a downgrade).
I’m very sure that I did NOT “get used” to those real symptoms. It’s the other way around: I don’t have the symptoms anymore and I probably somehow did get used to the pwm.
BTW, don’t get me wrong, I’m still not a fan of Apple using low frequency PWM driven OLED displays in the whole iPhone lineup. I truely hope the next model uses something more friendly on the eyes, like voltage dimmed oleds or a much higher frequency pwm.
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You didn't counter anything, and I don't care if you have no concerns about it. Others clearly do, and it's a plausible reason for diminished sales.
To answer your question, I'm personally waiting on longer term battery life reporting on the mini before determining if the form factor is for me. Caring about how your phone performs over its lifespan isn't a logical fallacy, it's responsible decision making (after being burned by old models). It's great that you like your phone. That doesn't mean many others don't have concerns.
The logical fallacy part of your post pertains to the statement that people won't be able to get 6hrs SoT in 3 hrs.
Nothing wrong with being concerned about the life of your phone and the appropriate use thereof. All I did was say you have no way of knowing what usage will be in 3 years for me or anyone else.
Do whatever you like. I no longer have interest in debating over what ifs about a phone that hasn't been released, even if it is being compared to the current model. I care about the one I have at the moment.
It's logical that you'll get less than now, that's pretty much guaranteed. How much less is variable for sure. But there's no fallacy in my suggestion, it's been born out plenty of times by plenty of people.
Here's the deal. Your initial comment was 6-7 hours. I suggested (edit: that) won't happen in 3 years, and you countered with an example of 6 hours on a new phone (what happened to 7?) and then you accused me of the logical fallacy. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to gain from this discussion. Battery degradation is a pretty common topic, don't pretend I made it up.
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I'm happy for you that you love your 11 pro. Personally, I love the 12 pro I got.
I know it is just taste, but I think it looks a lot better than the Xs I had before.
Battery life has proven to be amazing. I'm doing all the same things I did before, having apps on my screen over 4 hours a day. On my Xs I started out with 40-55% of battery left after a day. With the 12 pro I am at 75-78% of battery left after a day. It may be worse than some other phones, and the 11 pro is apparently better, but it is more than enough for purposes.
I was sceptical at first with the mini. But when I was finally able to see one in person and hold it at the Apple store I LOVED it.
It prevents looking for 5G all the time. I changed mine to LTE only , keep it in "dark mode" always, & the battery improved significantly. Now I always have juice left in the Mini at the end of the day (25-35%)
Yes, but the Mini disappears into a front shirt pocket!
I have to disagree . I tried the SE 2 & the battery was totally unacceptable. The Mini has been my only phone for 3 months now & I have never run out of juice. Fast charging would solve that IF I ever did.
The SE2 doesn't have half the battery life of the Mini in my experience . Set the Mini to LTE only, turn on dark mode- and fa-get-about-it! 5G is overrated for a cell phone. You can stream HD video on LTE fine.
I was one of the people finally giving in early 2020 and getting a new iPhone SE2, to replace my 1st gen SE. Was cheap. That cannibalised the sale of the new 12 mini ...well almost. Once the 12mini was released, I had to have to. Swiftly got rid of my SE2 on the secondary market.
If they make a small iPhone every two or three years, that'd be fine with me.
Would actually save me cash, since I wouldn't be tempted to buy a new model every year.
I don't even need a new model every year.
If they make a small iPhone every two or three years, that'd be fine with me.
Would actually save me cash, since I wouldn't be tempted to buy a new model every year.
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I'm glad. I've been upgrading every 3 years, and my XR is feeling old lately. I planned on getting a 12 Mini, but didn't really have a reason to upgrade other than I wanted to.
I'll be getting a 13 mini, though!
I'll be getting a 13 mini, though!
And an instant upgrade for me from my 12 mini. I generally don't do that kind of thing, I hold them for awhile but Touch ID would make a 13 a complete package for me.