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macrumors 6502a
May 24, 2010
Absolutely no issues with a slightly thicker phone if it brings real world benefits. I do think weight might be more of a factor though, as someone else mentioned. I think the weight of the 12 Pro Max is at close to the limit of comfort, so I might downgrade to a regular phone. I'd just really hope that if they make the phones thicker and with a bigger bump, they give the 13 Pro the same camera quality as the Pro Max, so we don't have to pick the heavier Max for a better camera.


Jun 5, 2017
I got vertigo trying to read that article, what with spelling out the full product name at every mention. Couldn’t you just say “13” or “13 Pro” after the first mention... you know, like good writers do.
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macrumors newbie
May 10, 2021
Do we know if the ability to take close up/macro photos on the Pro Max versions without having to use zoom is going to be fixed? Because that’s really all I care about.
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May 13, 2010
Alas, physics may just about make this near on impossible to do, unless there's a technological breakthrough. Even periscope lenses will require a minimum bump to let in sufficient light and accommodate the sensor size (smaller sensor = less light = lower quality image).

All I wish is that they make the back flush with the bump. That extra thickness will probably be used for a beefier battery, a win-win.


macrumors 68000
Apr 10, 2009
I'm with you on this. I love a telephoto lens, and rarely use the wide angle... and when I do, I'm never happy with how it ends up looking - I'm sure I don't have enough of an artistic eye to get it right. But the telephoto lens has pragmatic use that I miss when I don't have it.

That said, I think we're in the minority. :)
My guess is that this setup allows for optical portrait mode with the standard lens. On my 8+, portrait mode is in zoom, which can limit it’s use, make the flash less effective due to distance, etc.

But I love the 2x zoom in general use and my wife’s 12 has the ultra wide and it’s almost fisheye.

Then again, there was a whole episode of Home Movies where Brendan was begging for a fisheye lens for his camera. So 8 year olds need them…
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macrumors 603
Mar 16, 2012
Manchester, UK
That's what we have been pining for! Larger camera bumps.

I wish they would make a flush bar again. One can hope.
Actually I would take an improved camera anytime over the battery life that many people are obsessed with for some strange reason. I can charge my phone every evening when I go to sleep but I can not make the camera any better. These are not just phones now, these are pocket computers and photography/videography gear. Camera bump? I don't care, as long as it gives me improved photography/videography.


macrumors 6502
Mar 26, 2015
I just hope there'll always be an iPhone for those who want a small phone and are light users. I have a 12 mini and can use it for two days between charges. I get that the internet meme is "whatever, make it larger and thicker for more battery" but that isn't everyone.


macrumors 601
Nov 23, 2014
Please please please swap the zoom with the ultra wide on the regular sized phone. Leave the nearly useless ultra wide lens for the “pros” who would make the best use of it.
I find the wide angle really useful on several small room and tight space photos. I thought I would want long lens, but I I'm appreciated wide angle many times more than I though.


macrumors 6502a
May 24, 2010
All I wish is that they make the back flush with the bump. That extra thickness will probably be used for a beefier battery, a win-win.
The cost is weight. If you use the Max, you might already be feeling like the combination of it's weight and how wide it is makes it really uncomfortable to hold when answering a call for instance, or in one-handed use. Adding 50-100g of weight to make it flush with extra battery will make it simply too heavy for many more people who already feel the phones are at the limit of comfort.

On the Max, it's easily a 1.5 day battery life now, so we're approaching diminishing returns on extra battery life, and starting to see exponential 'cost' in comfort from weight.
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macrumors 65816
Oct 8, 2003
I’m all in if this means extended battery life. I’m not too impressed with the battery life of my iPhone 12 Pro.
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macrumors regular
May 18, 2015
Better cameras are important for a lot of people in this prosumer everyone sharing content world, and also the 120hz refresh screen that it is something noticeable for everyone. But for me the deal braker would be Touch ID under the screen, mores than two days battery and not breakable glass to use it without a cover.
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macrumors 604
Mar 11, 2013
No it doesn't. What is your scientific basis for this comment?
Physics. There’s a reason that DSLR Cameras are so deep. Stacking sensors and lenses takes a lot of space. Additionally, if Apple could achieve the same quality with no camera bump for a solid slate, they would have.


macrumors 68020
Apr 20, 2016
La Jolla, CA
IMO, the two most-important upgrades to the 12s/13, in order of importance:

1.) Wi-Fi 6E support (if it's in-deed included) !

2.) 2nd-Gen Qualcomm 5G chip (here, the improvement in "power efficiency" could offer a significant benefit) !
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macrumors 65816
Feb 22, 2011
Well, anything over 200g is too heavy for a phone (then you include case and screen protector....). Therefore, I use a Sony Xperia 5 mark ii :).
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